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Obama Nominates Two to Serve on the Merit Systems Protection Board

MSPB

Employee
Navy
Mon Aug 3, 2009 7:55 AM

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If i am not mistaken, during the Bush era, this was the board that was admonished by the Federal Circuit for "making up their own law" and was frequently overturned. Under the OBAMA administration we at least have experienced personnel appointed that can desipher case law.

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HR Spec
small agency
Mon Aug 3, 2009 10:49 AM
I don't know about the "making up their own law" quote, but MSPB is rarely overturned by the Fed Circuit.

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Just Another Fed
Just Another Agency
Tue Aug 4, 2009 10:24 AM
Could it be MSPB is rarely overturned because the appeal process has a financial burden attached to it?

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Prof
Small College
Wed Aug 5, 2009 7:04 AM
The MSPB is slanted (too much) toward management. Hopefully, these appointment will bring it back to the center and employees with real problems will be treated in a more fair manner.

The way things swing

Labor Employee Relations Manager
VA
Mon Aug 3, 2009 8:06 AM

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I know its politics, but I wish we could get stability in the federal labor/employee relations arena.

But then again, it does make my job interesting....

Why lawyers?

Consultant
none
Mon Aug 3, 2009 8:42 AM

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Interesting that Obama appoints two lawyers to the board. The MSPB, in my view, seems to run quite well under HR people and I/O psychologists. "Issues of Merit" is one of the more well written and insightful resources for federal hiring.

Why not appoint someone with a better understanding of hiring issues?

Re: Why lawyers?

Retired
DHS
Mon Aug 3, 2009 11:12 AM
You're not serious, are you?

Re: Why lawyers?

Consultant
none
Tue Aug 4, 2009 9:48 AM
I am serious. Why would I not be serious. I am not saying these folks aren't deserving, but the leadership of the EEOC and MSPB are made up entirely of attorneys rather than hiring professionals. In my view, attorneys often have a limited understanding of the utility of various hiring procedures, an inaccurate understanding of what is biasing in the hiring process, and a less accurate understanding of what is reliable and valid to use for selection. And they have a somewhat stilted idea of what's "fair."
In my view you need representation not just from attorneys but also from hiring professionals.

Re: Why lawyers?

worker
fed
Tue Aug 4, 2009 10:00 AM
Aren't the issues legal in nature? Lawyers do better legal research than hiring experts.

Re: Why lawyers?

Retired DHS
DHS
Tue Aug 4, 2009 12:39 PM
What? You are obviously a retired HR/Personnel type. Both of these women have outstanding legal minds and will do wonderful jobs. Of course, that makes 2 less jobs for you and your retired manasgement folks - oh well.

MSPB Fairness

Manager
SSA
Mon Aug 3, 2009 10:30 AM

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The new Chairwoman was the General Counsel for NFFE and the air traffic controllers. I don't see why managers should have any concerns about getting fair treatment from a lifelong union attorney. Good luck!

Re: MSPB Fairness

LR Manager
DoD agency
Mon Aug 3, 2009 12:04 PM
To SSA Manager....your sarcasm is noted. However, if you have any experience actually dealing with Ms. Grundmann, you would find her to be fair and balanced even when she is doing her job as advocate for the union. If agencies do their job right when taking actions that are appealable to the Board, they shouldn't have anything to worry about.

Re: MSPB Fairness

Manager
SSA
Tue Aug 4, 2009 10:01 AM
One more thing not to worry about. Also, don't worry about government takeover of health care, record deficits, nationalization of banks and car manufacturers, and looney environmental laws (CAP and Tax). ACORN and Obama's union lawyers will take care of us if we just passively sip the Koolaid.

Re: MSPB Fairness

worker
fed
Wed Aug 5, 2009 9:17 AM
To manager SSA.
The original article was about hiring 2 lawyers for the FLRA. One represented unions.
Your second comment about ACORN, healthcare, and all of the other rambling shows you are just a radical rightist who objects to anyone other than those who support your position.
Sorry, Bush and his cronies are gone. I hope these two appontees will support the law instead of blindly supporting management.

Re: MSPB Fairness

Manager
SSA
Thu Aug 6, 2009 9:55 AM
To worker fed. The radicalism is coming from Obama and the far out left, who you apparently support. Welcome to the United Socialist States of America. Oh, and take another sip.

Re: MSPB Fairness

worker
fed
Wed Aug 12, 2009 10:01 AM
To manager SSA,
You are the one who brought up ACORN. ACORN has nothing to do with these appointments.
The radicalism comes from you who would rather have unlimited power to do your petty nonsense as a manager. That is why you do not want someone who will enforce the law properly not like the last people in MSPB.
Obama is not a socialist. He is trying to clean up the mess left by your friends George Bush and company.
I know you are still crying because your Republicans lost the last election. Sarah Palin would have been one heartbeat from the presidency. Help us if that happened.

Anne Wagner

Retired
DHS
Mon Aug 3, 2009 11:10 AM

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I know Anne Wagner, I commend the President on his nomination of Ms Wagern to the MSPB. This lady has an outstanding legal mind and will do the citizen of this country and wonderful job.

Good Pick for MSPB Chair

Submarine Mechanic & Steward
Pearl Harbor Naval Shipyard
Mon Aug 3, 2009 1:17 PM

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I've taken federal labor relation classes from Susan Tsui Grundmann and I think she will do an outstanding job as Chairwomen of MSPB. She has a firm understand of federal labor relation law and looks at issues from both the Management and Union point of view.

MSPB

Lieutenant
BOP
Tue Aug 4, 2009 9:48 AM

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I was 'picked' to attend a LEAD (leadership) class for the Bureau of Prisons. During their Labor Relations class, the BOP's attorney stated to us that any 'problem children' should be steered towards the MSPB and away from the EEOC. When questioned as to the reason, she stated that the MSPB ruled in favor of the agency 'about 85% of the time.'

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Prof
Small College
Wed Aug 5, 2009 7:08 AM
At one time is was actually about 95%. The Board will push a settlement that is usually favorable to management.
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