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Is America Headed in the Right Direction? Reader Response is Clear

Far from unbiased sampling

Doctor of Education
General Services Administration
Mon Aug 17, 2009 8:45 AM

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The heart of statistical sampling is a true random sample. Your sample based is skewed to the nth degree. Compare your findings with those from the rest of the VOTERS in America and you find large differences.
Your exercise is more a tool to simply bolster the hopes of the overwhelming losers of the last election. Your policies will fail because of the poverty, joblessness and economic decline of a jaded and discredited policy. Yes you can call me a liberal and socialist all you want--proud to be one as long as it differentiates me from your crowd.

Re: Far from unbiased sampling

manager
dod agency
Mon Aug 17, 2009 9:07 AM
Actually, if you don't believe this survey, perhaps you would prefer the same result from another source. The percentage of dissatisfied Americans in this poll shows a 25 degree spread of dissatisfied Americans with the direction of the country. This poll (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/right_direction_or_wrong_track) was actually taken a week before the FedSmith survey so I would guess it has been sliding in the "negative" direction fast.

I have also noticed that some of the surveys on this site have been ahead of the general polling going back over the past several years. I suspect that many federal employees pay more attention to politics than most and, since this site caters to federal employees, some of the results here show up later in national polls.


What the comments here do show is more anger and frustration among Americans that at any time in recent history. Obama has gotten the attention of the country--but not in his favor.

Re: Far from unbiased sampling

worker
fed
Mon Aug 17, 2009 9:42 AM
Looks like the right wingers did a good job of rallying their constituents in this survey. The comments reflect the extreme right wing segment of the population. They are really nonsense.
To DOD Manager- Was your cite from a right wing site? Looks so. I will wait for the next election. The right wing is so bitter at their loss thay are willing to give false information to back up their claims.

Re: Far from unbiased sampling

Bill Williams
Postal Servicre Retiree
Mon Aug 17, 2009 9:45 AM
Not NO, but HELL NO.

Re: Far from unbiased sampling

Retired
Defense
Mon Aug 17, 2009 10:20 AM
What planet are you living on.......Americans are fed up with the Obama administration

Re: Far from unbiased sampling

Anti change
DOI
Mon Aug 17, 2009 11:18 AM
why is it when you hear from the masses, certain liberals like Mr. fed worker think the right wingers did anything???? No right winger has contacted me. And I do not like the direction we are being taken, nor the socialist health care program, nor welfare, nor medicad, etc. The people need to step up and care for themselves and each other not rely on someone else to care for them. Did the left wingers solicit you to comment ???? And support the socialistic programs we have had in this nation since the 30's???

Re: Far from unbiased sampling

ISS
DoD
Mon Aug 17, 2009 1:57 PM
This survey is a convenience sample—plain and simple—and is not an indicator of how our society generally thinks. It's like going to a crack house and asking if anyone wants drugs to be legal, and then publishing the results as if the outcome is what all American’s are thinking. When you go to a web site that mostly has opinion pieces that are written from the right, you will have followers from the right.

We do need to reform our healthcare system. FEHB is good, and I am satisfied with it; but I have friends and neighbors who cannot get insurance because of pre-existing conditions, or only expensive policies for minimal coverage. I know people who have died from cancer and could not afford the expensive treatment. I know a man who died of a heart attack recently because he did not have insurance and could not afford treatment. We all get a free "public education," it’s about time that we have a public healthcare system that will keep us healthy and provide preventative treatment.

Re: Far from unbiased sampling

HRS
Govt Worker
Thu Aug 20, 2009 12:20 PM
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO STARTED THE PROBLEMS - the point is that it took a long time to get in the shape we are in and it will take time to change the system to make it better.

WHY DOES EVERYTHING HAVE TO BE FIXED AT ONCE? I cannot and would not write checks if I had no money in my account so why does President Obama think he can? The answer is because he has millions of tax payers who are footing the bill for his extravagant ideas. What President Obama apparently does not realize is that when you spend it faster than it can be earned/paid you will inevitably end up in a deficit. Argument is that it is someone else’s fault but yet he is the one who has put a more than 3 trillion dollars in debt since taking office in January. Hmmmm. . .

How do you...

Secretary
Gov
Mon Aug 17, 2009 8:46 AM

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Go about getting him out of office, aside from not re-electing the same congress in 2010, what can a person do about him? He is the one starting it all, and congress is pushing it through.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SD_YOlUBoIk


Here is a video that pretty much sums it all up! What are WE going to do to stop this???

Re: How do you...

worker
fed
Mon Aug 17, 2009 9:45 AM
Obama did not start this. Bush was a continuation from Reagan. obama is trying to clean up their messes.

Re: How do you...

Anti change
DOI
Mon Aug 17, 2009 11:23 AM
You people are very short sighted if you think this mess came from Bush-that is the liberal blame game. This mess goes back much further than the Bushs or Mr. Reagan. It at least goes back to Roosevelt and the 30's if not before.

Re: How do you...

Clerk
DOI
Mon Aug 17, 2009 1:43 PM
Bush was a continuation of Reagan, eh "worker fed?" I think you missed a couple of Administrations there!

Re: How do you...

Retired
Defense
Mon Aug 17, 2009 2:52 PM
The time to blame it on Bush is over....It is Obama and the Congress spending out of control...NOT BUSH AND NOT REAGAN!! JUST OBAMA. The socialism must stop!!
Stop the handouts to everyone at taxpayer expense!!

Re: How do you...

worker
fed
Thu Aug 20, 2009 11:08 AM
To anti change, clerk, and retired,
Obviously, you have not heard of the Reagan revolution. Cutting taxes for the wealthy. Cutting services for the middle class. It is there in black and white. He did not continue Cater's model.
Do not blame Roosevelt. He had to cure the results of the Republican roaring 20's (not roaring to most of the people) Even when the depression started Hoover kept the tight money policy. Thus the great depression.
I skipped Bush Sr. and Clinton as both were decent presidents. They were not a continuation of Reagan. Bush was.
It is not time to blame Obama. Obama is trying to cure the Bush depression. Economic policies take time to have an effect on the economy. 7 months is not enough time. Bush had 8 years to foul it up.

Re: How do you...

Analyst
DoD
Thu Aug 20, 2009 9:20 PM
"Obama is trying to cure the Bush depression. Economic policies take time to have an effect on the economy. 7 months is not enough time. Bush had 8 years to foul it up. "

worker - your timeline is wrong. The economy was strong and growing with near record low unemployment during most of the Bush presidency (despite the economic impact of the 9/11 attack). It didn't start the current nosedive until the last two years (which coincide with the democrats taking control of congress).

It might serve your personal agenda to try to reshape history but it doesn't stand up to the facts.

Re: How do you...

worker
fed
Fri Aug 21, 2009 8:52 AM
To analyst DOD,
I do not know where you get the idea that America was going strong during most of the Bush administration, but it was not so. Duing the Clinton administration, the economy was becoming much stronger. George inherited a good economy. It went bad after 9/11. Recovery started awhile after, but getting a good job was still a struggle. Then came the depression started by the lack of regulation in loans along with housing prices failing to continue up.
How many people supplemented their income via home equity loans because they did not have enough to live on? Not a great economy except for the wealthy.

Re: How do you...

Analyst
DoD
Fri Aug 21, 2009 6:26 PM
worker - your time line is still wrong. The dot com boom started to come apart in late 99/early 2000. The economy continued to slide in 2000, Bush took office in 2001. He inherited the beginnings of a recession. 9/11 hit and made it much worse for awhile. When the recovery from that got going we had a strong stock market and near record low unemployment for quite awhile.

The housing/finance spurred recession you speak of was triggered by the collapse of Fannie and Freddie (which were under congressional oversight, namely Barney Frank). The Bush administration warned congress repeatedly over the years that those two entities were in trouble and that congress needed to get control of them before they collapsed and started a domino effect through the economy. Congress failed to get control of them despite the warnings, they collaped and started the domino effect.

That is historical fact and it's not going to go away just because it doesn't mesh with your political agenda.

Is America Headed in the Right Direction? Reader R

specialist
VA
Mon Aug 17, 2009 8:48 AM

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President Obama did not create this mess--GWB did. Instead of playing political head games, everyone should band together to make things better.

Re: Is America Headed in the Right Direction? Reader R

Secretary
Gov
Tue Aug 18, 2009 8:45 AM
on "abc-tv" (better known as the all barrack channel) during the "network special on health care".... obama was asked: "mr. president, will you and your family give up your current health care program, and join the new 'universal health care program' that the rest of us will be on ????"..... there was a stoney silence as obama ignored the question and chose not to answer it! a number of senators were asked the same question and their response was..."we will think about it. it was announced that the "kennedy health care bill" was written into the new health care reform initiative ensuring that congress will be 100% exempt! so, this great new health care plan that is good for you and i... is not good enough for obama, his family or congress? personally, i can only accept a universal health care overhaul that extends to everyone... not just us lowly citizens... while the washington "elite" keep right on with their gold-plated health care coverages.

A clear path

HR Consultant
Legion
Mon Aug 17, 2009 8:54 AM

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The people have spoken: it is time to repeal social security, medicare, medicaid, unemployment insurance, workers' compensation and all the other socialist programs that this country has embraced over the years and return to the rugged individualism, every man for himself atmosphere that made this country great!

Re: A clear path

worker
fed
Mon Aug 17, 2009 9:48 AM
I hope HR is being sarcastic. If he is not, then he advocates going back to sweatshops and the conditions that brought us the roaring twenties, which were not good for a huge number of people, and the great depression. He also advocates sweatshops and no FDIC insurance for bank deposits.
Please say you were being sarcastic.

Re: A clear path

Retired
DoD
Mon Aug 17, 2009 3:18 PM
Oh I do believe HR is just pointing out the absurdity of the current spate of socialism comments. Anyone who doesn't think we've had certain socialistic programs on the books for years just doesn't have a clue. These same arguments against socialism were used when passing social security, medicare, etc. And, those programs really are socialistic. What's currently been proposed for health care is not. I'm not aware of any bill in Congress calling for a single payer system. Without that, the charge of socialism is ludicrous.

Re: A clear path

Secretary
Gov
Mon Aug 17, 2009 3:29 PM
I hope HR is serious! We don't have to support a president that doesn't have America's and the American people's best interests at heart and it's obvious he doesn't. He is good at back-peddling tho, that's about it.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204409904574350400852801602.html

Why am I not surprised?

Assistant Property Manager
GSA
Mon Aug 17, 2009 8:55 AM

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I knew the majority of the Fedsmith readership was right wing conservative so I wasn't at all surprised at the outcome of your poll.

People... the national debt didn't start when Obama took office. The previous administration drove that particular bus into the swamp. Obama came into office with that hanging over his head and now the right wing wants to hammer him with it. Where were you when the Bush administration was mounting that debt into the trillions?

I'd be willing to bet that another poll on Fedsmith asking if they think that Palin would have done a better job with these issues would see a rousing round of 'you betcha' accompanied by the flirty wink.

I don't mind healthy debate (I'm not a dem nor a repub) but I need people to understand that this isn't a football game. It isn't your team versus theirs.

There is a lot of misinformation going out from the right wing about the health care plan. I do agree with opening up out of state insurance purchasing though.

Re: Why am I not surprised?

Secretary
Gov
Mon Aug 17, 2009 9:10 AM
I disagree, GWB did do the first stupid move by handing out the first stimulous package and I totally disagreed with that - BUT, this guy has spent more in 6 months than the last 40 presidents put together. Get your facts straight. He needs to be stopped now before it gets worse than it is. This is just the beginning, he pushes his agenda thru and nobody even knows what's going on. Look at cap and trade for example. Now healthcare? No way, this is bad, bad, bad for America. The America we know and love is going down the toilet, he hates America and our way of life. He apologizes to other countries - give me a break! America has done more to help other countries than any other! And, since the war, that everyone seems to have a problem with, we have had NO terrorist attacks on American soil. This idiot is opening the door wide open tho, wait and see... I suppose that will be GWBs fault too.

Re: Why am I not surprised?

worker
fed
Mon Aug 17, 2009 9:58 AM
To secretary,
Please do not forget the deficit spending for the war in IRAQ. Please do not forget the deficits created that were primarily for the wealthy. You need to get all of the facts together.
As far as the deficit spending is concerned, we are in a depression. We need to stimulate the economy to get out of the depression. That is why we have the spending.
Where did you get the idea that Obama hates America? His speeches never indicated this? Are you sore because McCain lost the election?
Do you even know what cap and trade is? If companies exceed their pollution levels, they must by that right to do so. What is your problem with that? Do you like dirty air?
The healthcare issue is a problem, because many people do not have health insurance. Therefore, society must pay through medicaid. Since medicaid does not pay a fair amount for services, the providers, such as hospitals must pay. If a hospital has too many medicaid patients, it shuts down. (Out of space)

Re: Why am I not surprised?

Engineer
FAA
Mon Aug 17, 2009 10:56 AM
Secretary GOV,

You're comment is quite flippant.

Obama didn't spend as much as the last 40 presidents combines. The debt was around 10 trillion dollars, and he has spend and and called for less than 2 trillion.

You're thinking of the Federal Reserve creating and promising 10 trillion dollars. The Federal Reserve is neither federal, nor is it a reserve of money.

(no, I do not support Obama spending even the money he spent, so don't think I'm a left-wing liberal, nor am I a right-wing conservative - heaven forbid I become a member of the mindless throng of Americans out there)

Poll on healthcare:

Manager (retired)
VA
Mon Aug 17, 2009 8:57 AM

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I am not surprised at the breakout of the results of this survey, taken, as it was, from among the Federal workforce and retiree pool. It should be remembered that we are among the "have's" in our society and we have a vested interest in maintaining the status quo. There are millions of citizens who do not have the benefits that we have, and they may have a very different perspective on the issues being so hotly debated.

Re: Poll on healthcare:

Legal Employee
DoD
Mon Aug 17, 2009 9:37 AM
So I am supposed to feel guilty because I paid for 7 years of college myself and worked my way up the ladder to a decent job and salary? I bought a house that cost about a third of what I could afford, according to the "experts", to ensure that I could pay for it. I keep out of debt, save for retirement, and pay my bills. Why should my future be put at risk to pay for people who think the government should take care of them no matter how irresponsibly they act? Let's take care of the kids and the elderly, definitely. Able-bodied CITIZENS who can work should take care of themselves.

Re: Poll on healthcare:

Secretary
Gov
Tue Aug 18, 2009 9:19 AM
Yes, I know what cap and trade is and it has little to do with polution! WHO do you think is going to be paying extra for energy, or whatever particular business is subjected to cap and trade? THE CONSUMER! Business are going to pass this ridiculous cost on to us. Wake up and smell the coffee already..

Re: Poll on healthcare:

worker
fed
Thu Aug 20, 2009 11:12 AM
To sec gov,
Yes, you will pay for cap and trade. It is called pollution controls.
You have a choice. pay for the cap and trade or pay more for medical bills due to pollution.

Re: Poll on healthcare:

worker
fed
Thu Aug 20, 2009 11:14 AM
To legal employee DOD,
I am glad you got a good job and paid off your house quickly. You also have good security. I did the same and could retire.
Lots of people lost their jobs. It is tough to get a job in this depression. It was tough in other recessions. What do they do if they run out of money before getting a job? What about their kids?

What is your voting block

Specialist
DOT
Mon Aug 17, 2009 8:59 AM

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I think you should have further delineated your survey asking the respondents for their voting preference. This is ALL ABOUT politics. It makes no difference HOW we got where we are or what it will take to get through it and fix this country's war torn ills. It is about right wing politics and I suspect there is a strong race bias here also. Is health care a big issue - you bet. Why has nothing been done before - because it's hard and there are no happy answers. Was the economy on the brink of chaos 8 months - yeah. Is it painful to stop the slide - sure. Is it expensive - yes! Do you all have a BETTER idea? We elected people to correct the country's direction and solve some of these major issues. Give them a chance; none of us are really smarter than they are. Let's see where we are 4 years from now and then make your voice heard at the polling booth as opposed to this useless banter and misguided survey that we read here - to include mine!

Re: What is your voting block

Secretary
Gov
Mon Aug 17, 2009 9:38 AM
In 4 years we will be a full-blown socialist country with the gov in charge of everything! It will be too late... These people in congress are idiots and liars. This country was built on working people being able to go out and work hard and excel, not all the stuff that is going on now. This is not the American way and the American dream is being destroyed!
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