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A Guide to Slandering Permissive Bargaining

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HR Specialist
CSC
Tue Oct 27, 2009 9:57 AM

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The author made use of the term "smarmy" early on in dragging in irrelevant sidebar comments and ad hominem swipes against opponents in the health care debate, in an obvious attempt to use the "guilt by association" tactic against those who see serious problems ahead if agencies are to be required to negotiate on permissive 5 USC 7106(b) issues. That to my mind definitely indicates that the invidious adjective really applies to him (or as we said as kids: "It takes one to know one!").
Space does not permit addressing his multitudinous rationalizations, but they've all been trotted out before in various venues and have been recognized for the specious tripe they are. It was evident in the administration's strategic retreat from the unsound policy stance of the earlier versions of the draft Obama LMR executive order in the face of well-reasoned criticism from Federal management venue that second thoughts prevailed, and that the said arguments have been revealed as so much ... piffle?

Unions are Too Political

Info Tech Specialist
Navy
Tue Oct 27, 2009 10:19 AM

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After Mr. Ferris opened this article with a one-sided political diatribe, I stopped reading. What does that have to do with the subject?

Slandering Permissive Bargaining

Training Administrator
Navy
Tue Oct 27, 2009 10:39 AM

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Great article.

Suppose Someone Threw a (b)(1) Party...

Career LR
Anywhere and Everywhere
Tue Oct 27, 2009 10:48 AM

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And nobody came??

Which agencies are going to "volunteer" to be in the pilot?

Requests from agencies so inclined are cheerfully welcome :-)

Oh, you better sign up or you might be put on the "enemies list."

Management and Unions (b)(1) Bargaining

Asst. Regional Counsel (Ret.)
SSA/DOJ
Tue Oct 27, 2009 11:07 AM

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Here's the situation as I see it. There are really two completely separate areas of interaction between unions and management--at the local level and at the regional or national level. At the local level the union often gets in the way of rational changes that low level management wants. At the local level union reps. are not well trained or sophisticated (with some exceptions) and management probably does care about the mission because they oversee the day to day interface with people. Supervisors make changes based on day-to-day input from employees so they do not need all that formal input from the union--it just gets in the way of doing a better job. Also, having to go through the union wastes time on small changes that prevent many from being done. At the regional/national level that is not so. There the union is better represented and better able to participate in a meaningful discussion of conditions of employment and give constructive input. We need a two-tiered system.

Re: Management and Unions (b)(1) Bargaining

Labor Relations Specialist
DHS
Wed Oct 28, 2009 10:21 AM
Right on Asst. Regional Counsel (Ret)! Finally, a rational response. This is the exact way I see it and the feedback that we get from mgmt. At the local level employee's and management work together and are involved in these changes, all the permissive bargaining starts to impede this process.

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HR
Federal
Tue Oct 27, 2009 11:38 AM

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I suppose that if you don't agree with Mr. Farris, then you are a "slanderer". Does this not also brand Mr. Farris as a "slanderer". The arguements he makes are so circular as to be almost funny. Problem is, he seems to actually believe them. How can a union be legally accountable for a "negotiated" decision affecting government operations? Management has any number of laws and regulations holding them accountable but the union does not. True partnership, Mr. Farris? Is the Union willing to pay all of it's own expenses to be a "partner" or does this not fit into the equasion? Guess I'm one of those despicable slanderers. Gee.

What's Your Beef Mr. Ferris

Career LR
Anywhere and Everywhere
Tue Oct 27, 2009 11:55 AM

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More silly union grievances.

You can negotiate all the subjects you want in the private sector.

Why didn't you choose that venue, Mr. Ferris?

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