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Dumping Those Nasty 2008 Losses From Your TSP Statement

Investment Shares

HHG Director, Navy SE Region
FISC Jacksonville (US Navy)
Tue Nov 3, 2009 9:30 AM

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When the value of my TSP funds are displayed in dollars; doesn't that represent a certain number of shares that I "own" in the G, C, or F funds that I chose?

And, when the market value goes down, don't I still "own" the same number of shares, although the value of each share is down?

Therefore when the market value goes up, isn't the value of each share also up?

Re: Investment Shares

HR Spec
DOD
Tue Nov 3, 2009 2:33 PM
That would work if you were actually buying stocks, in specific companies. If you invested $3,500 in "Dell" at $35 a share, you have $100 shares. If it goes down $10 a share, from $35 to $25, and within a year it goes back up to $35, then you suffered only a paper/shadow loss because your $3,500 is where it was when you started.

You need to watch out for dollars verses percentages. If you had the same $3,500 invested in "shares" or some say the TSP Pool, and it went down 35 percent, from a BIG starting poinnt of $3,500 that is a big loss and it is now only worth $2,275. It is misleading to think that you are "even" if that $2,275 goes UP 35 percent, because that is a percent of a SMALLER starting point, and it only gets you back to $3,071.

The TSP is not like the old days of owning an actual share of stock that was easy to track.

Re: Investment Shares

Investment Guru
IRS
Tue Nov 3, 2009 9:26 PM
Plus compound interest. Let's not forget that.

So, the original poster was right on with his or her question:

Yes, you still own XX number of stocks and those stocks have made money PLUS the interest accrued.

tsp

common man
dod
Tue Nov 3, 2009 9:47 AM

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sorry, but I've left TSP forever after the last downfall. Withdrew everything and transferred to G fund. I've had enough of this. G fund is earning 1.5%, the rest 15 - 50% nowadays. I'm happy with this arrangement. You don't know what will come out next after they roll the dice - that's what this is - a big, organized slot machine or roll of the dice.

Re: tsp

Money Manager
HHS
Tue Nov 3, 2009 9:30 PM
Well, that OK. You gotta do what's right for you.

Still, I--and many of my counterparts---have done very, very well in the TSP market.

My retirement account--as compared to other who either don't invest at all (yikes!) or invest solely in the G Fund--is fairly substantial. I chose to face risk and invested heavily in the C and I Funds. It was a wee hairy there for a spell, but now. Wow, you should see this nest egg!

Set it and forget it. That's my investment strategy.

Re: tsp

Richard Kaulfers
USAF
Sat Dec 5, 2009 9:38 AM
So you are using TSP as a savings account that you can not touch, in the G fund? No risk no reward right? How long have you been in the TSP? As of right now I have been in a year, not sure how much I went down and do not care because it will grow grow grow. Taxes might eat it a little. Roth IRA?

Recovering from a stock fall

Senior Attorney
SSA
Tue Nov 3, 2009 11:47 AM

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Thanks so much for trying to enlighten me on when exactly I have recovered from the stock market fall that ended (?) in March 2008 (I think you said). I also appreciate your reference to Dan Weiner's opinions. I am so glad I started receiving FedSmith. now, if I coud just understand this math stuff ...

Dumping Losses?

retired
DOI, Minerals Mgt Svc
Tue Nov 3, 2009 12:25 PM

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So, how do we "Dump... those 2008 Losses," as per the headline for this article?

Re: Dumping Losses?

Civil Eng Tech
NRCS
Wed Nov 18, 2009 11:04 AM
You "Dump Losses" from your memory, Not the TSP Balance. For a more accurate picture of loss or gain in your account, look at the Calendar Year totals (Annual Activity Summary by Fund Statement) not the current 12 mo. cycle of % gain or loss you see posted. In '08 we lost big. In '09 our investments are recovering some. Hopefully, in the long run, interest gains are greater than losses. The amount of gain or loss depends how/if you manage your fund (diversify or one fund, no trades or make trades to beat the market) and how much you are willing to risk ourside the G fund.

Re: Dumping Losses?

retired
usps
Wed Jan 20, 2010 1:55 PM
I assume I can't "dump" - write off/deduct any of the losses of 2008, correct? Thanks

Keep the Stock Prices Low

Commuter Van Driver
USDA
Wed Nov 4, 2009 7:15 AM

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I for one am in no hurry for the stock share prices of the C, S, and I funds to recover soon. Let them recover in 4 years or so. Heck, I am buying twice the shares every pay period than what I used to buy. The total value of the funds (snapshot) today is not what is important. Its the accumulation of shares 5 or more years away from retirement that matters.

Don't look at the TSP as a savings account. Its an investment engine. The longer the market sags, the better the buying market. Let it grow a year from now. For now, I will buy shares on the cheap. C shares are still cheaper (and a better buy) than G

Validity of TSP Article

Retired Special Agent
HHS/OIG/OI
Wed Nov 4, 2009 8:58 AM

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He's right on point. I track my TSP very closesly since I retired in 2004 and have not been able to add to the principle. As of the end of October 2009, my principle investment amount was still down by 11% from the high it experienced prior to the recession.

I'm an aggressive investor but I've now learned to allocated over more of the funds proportionately.

Re: Validity of TSP Article

Retired Fed
None
Wed Nov 4, 2009 10:46 AM
I don’t know how long you’ve been investing in the fund, but I find it difficult that, even with the recent hemorrhage, your account amounts to less than your principle. Like you, I monitor my TSP investment, and while I took the same bath as most a year ago, at worst I was still in the black, albeit showing relatively small return on the investment over time. The more concerning issue is that the value of the cash itself is increasingly in question given the recent spending and borrowing proclivities of the Government. One way or another, this house of cards is going to collapse again – inflation, commercial property collapse, whatever. It’s pretty frightening when Gordon Liddy makes the most sense as an investment advisor pitching gold.

Re: Validity of TSP Article

Fed
Fed
Sun Nov 8, 2009 11:09 AM
PLEASE GIVE ME A QUICK 101" CRASH LESSON ON HOW/WHY STAYING IN THE TSP ONCE YOU HAVE RETIRED. I planning on retiring at the end of 2010.

Way ahead

SW
USPS
Mon Nov 9, 2009 7:05 PM

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I actually did pull out in late 2007! I had a feeling in mid-March 2009 to move "ALL-IN" into the I Fund, and needless to say I'm a happy camper!

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