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FERS and CSRS Disability Retirement: Sometimes the Process is just as important as the Substance of an Argument

Fed Disability Fraud

Diversity Mgr
DOL
Sat Feb 6, 2010 7:26 PM

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This whole issue is just a bad joke for the taxpayers. Someone goes out on Fed disability because they can't work and yet at the same time can make up to 80% of their former pay in another job. On what planet does this even remotely make sense.
If you can work in another capacity the fed govt should have you reevaluated and brought back to work

Re: Fed Disability Fraud

Prof
Small College
Mon Feb 8, 2010 6:32 AM
Welcome to federal la-la land.

Re: Fed Disability Fraud

Friendly Fed
Army
Mon Feb 8, 2010 4:03 PM
Before you get too judgmental - if an employee was working at a physically demanding job that couldn't be done if impaired - wouldn't it make sense to find work at a less-demanding "desk job" that their disability allows them to perform? And if they could make a decent income, including "80% of their former pay" wouldn't that help in the long run to stay reasonably independent & maybe less of a burden on the rest of us?

Re: Fed Disability Fraud

Diversity Mgr
DOL
Mon Feb 8, 2010 8:35 PM
army I would agree if it was a demanding job, do you have any idea the number of clerks who claim disability for carpal tunnel and get it, and the number out for sleep apney

Re: Fed Disability Fraud

Robert R. McGill, Esquire
Author of the Article
Tue Feb 9, 2010 3:52 PM
For those of you who think that disability retirement is a "fraud", I would ask that you view it in a different light. What the 80% rule does is to allow people who cannot perform one kind of job (their former Federal job) to go out into the private sector and be productive in the greater society, and specifically in the employment market. Most people are never able to make the full 80%. Think about it this way: a person who is paid a higher rate of disability, but is not allowed to work, has no incentive to work. To be paid 40% of the average of one's highest-3 consecutive years (after the first year, which pays 60%) allows many to receive a barely subsistence level of income. This is therefore an incentive to go out and be productive in some other capacity. Furthermore, understand that disability retirement is part of the total "employment compensation package" that one signs onto as a Federal employee. It is merely a benefit, just as there are benefits in the private sector.

Re: Fed Disability Fraud

Former Distribution Clerk
USPS
Tue Feb 9, 2010 10:18 PM
Diversity Mgr, what you say don't make any sense.

To qualify for OPM retirement, one has to prove that the agency DID NOT accommodate him/her with a job that won't hurt the individual any further. The OPM gives disability because the disabled worker didn't get a good, fair, and proper accommodation. One that won't result in any more injuries.

How can you say that the federal government should have the applicant "reevaluated" and "go back to work" if the original agency was already given a FAIR CHANCE to accommodate the applicant?

That shows instead that if the applicant finds a job in the private sector, maybe the private sector was fairer and more able to hire disabled workers than the original US Government Agency. That happens all the time -- especially at the US Postal Service, where disabled employees are treated as garbage. Read articles about it. They are published all the time.

Re: Fed Disability Fraud

Retired HR Specialist
DOL
Wed Feb 10, 2010 10:37 AM
Dear Mr. McGill and Former Dist Clerk,
Please understand that the person alleging fraud, Div Mgr, has never been a civil servant. He is retired military. He has just made up a title so that he can attack Federal employees at every opportunity. please don't expect your logical arguments to have any effect upon him.
It is clear that the information in the article is just describing how arguments should be made given the current status of the law, not what the particular status should, or should not, be. Reality is not a strong suit for many that post comments here. Not if there is an opportunity to attack Federal workers.

Fed Disability Fraud

Another Government Employee
Does it matter?
Mon Feb 8, 2010 6:26 AM

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Obviously you are refering to "free loaders" and not the case of real people that have come disabled on the job. This article brings out the way Agencies may be avoiding the issue of recognizing true disabilities in obvious cases to avoid paying disability compensation.

This article is of utmost importance to those of us that may have a legitimate claim and not a bogus one.

Great Article

HR Specialist
HHS
Tue Feb 9, 2010 4:01 PM

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Simply put, a great article! Thanks for writing this

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