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Pay for Performance
AFMSA/SGOF
Tue Aug 17, 2004 8:42 AM
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I believe when the new Pay for Performance system is fully implemented it will encounter the same problems the Merit Pay System witnessed. The courts will be filled with EEO complaints.
For success, I believe the new system should be phased in in increments over a long period of time to let employees get slowly adjusted to it.
Re: Pay for Performance
Commerce
Mon Aug 30, 2004 2:00 PM
1. No one will get less than they are paid now--even poor performers.
2. The same people that get the big bonuses, favored assignments and quick promotions will get the biggest increases. In other words the supervisor's "favorite pets".
3. Those in disfavor will suffer to supplement the the pay of those in favor.
4. After you take the cost-of-living part out of money available for annual increases, there won't be enough left to make a significant difference in the amount for "merit pay" anyway.
5. The whole thing will just cost more.
6. The highly paid will have to be paid even more to stay ahead or their favorite recipients.
Pay for Performance
USDA
Tue Aug 17, 2004 8:56 AM
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There will always be favoritism, and while this is sometimes subjective, more often than not, this is the reality. Favorites shine in the workplace, and herein lies the "problem"
Re: Pay for Performance
DOT
Tue Aug 17, 2004 10:06 AM
Re: Pay for Performance
DOD
Wed Aug 18, 2004 8:46 AM
Re: Pay for Performance
DFAS-IN
Thu Aug 19, 2004 3:14 PM
I have been a federal employee for over 22 years. Through my federal career I have received exceptional ratings since the very beginning.
One would think that I would want Pay for Performance but the quick answer is no.
Let me give you just one example of cronism that I have personally witnessed in my career.
One supervisor I had would not give me any monetary awards while she was the one that did my rating. Even though at the time I had a production rate of 213% and an error rate of .07%.
One question is why, I have the documentation to show this fact.
Well let me tell, she did not like my after work lifestyle. Can you guess, yep that is right. Since she decided I was a "sinner" I didn't deserve anything. Did this stop me from working. You betcha. Lucky for me though I got a different boss within a couple of months and then the awards and ratings were right back again.
So you all out there tell me, can pay for performance work? I say no, I couldn't complain to anybody after all I just wasn't rewarded like my peers. I was given an exceptional rating. Award recognition cannot be grieved.
Ummm, something for you to think about, eh?
Core Compensation
FAA
Tue Aug 17, 2004 9:14 AM
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Pay for performance is a laudable goal and sounds enticing, but more harm could be created when the program is in effect.
The FAA Inspector has a program that must be dealt with in a non-competitive fashion. He/she takes great pride in an annual program that is custom fit for the inspector and the repair stations and operators in question. I would feel much better knowing that our office works as teams without trying to out do each other for pay advancement. Currently we work together and share information on daily current events. I don't see that happening with core compensation.
I worked for a company that had such a program and had negative results.
I'm hoping that the FAA stays with the current step system and not get involved with core compensation.
Re: Core Compensation
DOD
Wed Feb 16, 2005 1:35 PM
Pay for Performance
Gene Rouleau & Associates
Tue Aug 17, 2004 9:15 AM
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Like Ralph, I agree that it is a laudable goal and deserves to be implemented. It is hard to argue against it conceptually. However, it is very difficult to implement. One thing I do know is that it will never be implemented successfully when the average rating is 4.5 or higher out of 5.0, as it is now. The only way it will work is with well-designed performance standards, allowing judgment on the part of the manager, and most importantly, where most employees receive a fully successful rating. Nobody wants to hear that, but you simply cannot have pay for performance when everyone receives an outstanding rating.
Pay, Performance, Money & Bureaucracy
Dept of Education
Tue Aug 17, 2004 9:21 AM
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Persons who say that the federal merit pay system allows little for management reward and recognition for employee performance are persons who choose to take a myopic view of the current system. The federal merit pay system allows for competitive performance differentials while giving employee protection against cronyism, favortism and subtle managerial retaliatory acts.
Jerry Doyle
Executive Vice President
National Council 252
American Fed of Govt Employees
Dept of Education
Too much power
USMC
Tue Aug 17, 2004 9:27 AM
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Anyone who has been in a work place at anytime in their lives has to know that all the personnel who work together don't necessarily like each other. It worries me that a supervisor has the power to keep a person that he/she does not neccesarily get along with from being promoted even though the person may perform their job at an excellent level.
pay for pewrformance
FAA
Tue Aug 17, 2004 9:31 AM
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Pay for performance is a great idea but its not workable in the Federal Government. Its not workable for the same reasons that brought The Civil Service Commissions into being in the beginning "the good ole boy " system. Its like trading automobiles, when you get ready for a new one, you can think of a million reasons why you need a new one and very few why you should keep your old auto. Its the same with PFP, you always can think of reasons to reward those that you wish to and reasons not to reward those that you do not. On top of that there is always going to be the "quota" system. There always are going to be those that may be under represented as a group and some others that may be deserving may be pushed aside so as to include /adjust the numbers to reflect inclusion of all groups and parties. The old system was not perfect by a long shot, but it is a lot better than what now is being instituted. Longevity has its own merit and in most cases it is far better to reward it than to play a numbers game. Longevity increases eventually top out, but PFP can go on forever. Its like voting, sometimes it just a choice between the least of two evils. PFP will cause the most damage and conflict within the workplace and therfore is the most evil.