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Federal Employees Say Hiring Process Doesn't Work Well
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Fed Hiring Process
Veterans Affairs
Wed Aug 17, 2005 10:30 AM
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Government needs to screen applicants psychologically. A small percentage of hires are not team players. Another group files frivolous EEO complaints. Some are just plain nuts!
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dod
Wed Aug 17, 2005 3:39 PM
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I agree! The process is too long and awkard, too many preferences is given to people who are not the cream of the crop.
Hiring process
VHA
Thu Aug 18, 2005 7:22 AM
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First I would like to say that veteran's preference should not be modified. Veterans served this country and most available for the work force today served voluntarily---that is served when others would not---served when others choose not to. There are far too many yellow bellies out there who shut and hollow in support of the war and fuss and raise hell about the Dixie Chicks but who don't and won't volunteer to serve. The non-servers who complain that veterans are not qualified to work in the Federal Service are the ones who scream and hollow for the war knowing full well that the are men and women who are volunteering to serve in the military---what kind of military do they think the United States has? Do they think that the military is a bunch of screw-ups and uneducated people? Don't they know that every officer must have a degree and that junior NCOs must have two years of College or Technical schooling and that Senior NCOs must have a degree? Oh, yes there are few Senior NCOs, who do not have a degree. It is few! The military promotion system is competitive. Don't they know that at every professional level there are special schools of varying lengths and difficulty? The purpose of those schools is to educate. The military schools are some of the best in the world. What a shame that non-servers don't know and don't care about the difficult training (EDUCATION) that the military receive. Our military are the best prepared and the best trained in the world. Our military is not a bunch of screw-ups and discards! I really get upset when I sit on boards and other board members serving with me don't have a clue what the various military awards and ranks are and don't give them any credence saying that they are handed out like candy. How appalling? Those who serve in the military are not in prison nor are they there because they cannot do anything anywhere else. I do think however that veterans should not be hired if they are not qualified to do the job. The Agency where I work does hire unqualified veterans. Our agency does a very good job of supporting the vets and I am proud of that fact.
On to other thoughts--
The Federal hiring systems has steps or ladders in it. The supervisor does not read every application nor does the supervisor do the screening out process. If there is a problem with it before it gets to the supervisor then HR needs to fix it. OPM and the HRs need to make the changes.
In the VA we are generally using the High Performance Development Model for interviewing candidates for employment. While I was in the military I hired staff. I used gut feelings and all sorts of techniques for deciding whom to hire. I love the High Performance Development Model. I love it so much that I passed on the idea to a civilian agency to use. The agency Director that I passed it to called me only a few days ago ---just going on and on and on about how good her staff is now and how wonderful it is now to supervise. She now feels comfortable taking vacation. I feel the same way about the staff that I now have--all of whom I acquired using the High Performance Development Model (HPDM) interviewing techniques. Oh, sure I still have to train and I still have to supervise but I don't have so many impossible staff. Those that abuse sick leave and those play every trick in the book not to do the job. Of course HPDM is not going to work if supervisor's still choose people they know and like from the lunchroom, golf course, church, or local Theater Group or they go searching outside the agency only because they want "clear eyes" and other dumb things.
Yes, I do believe that HPDM works as well for the highly professional staffs as it does for the blue-collar and pink-collar staffs.
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DOD
Thu Aug 18, 2005 10:01 AM
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Testing is just another layer of red tape and a further way to slow down the hiring process. Perhaps a single entry portal (OPM? Like they used to be.) would help but who knows. I know I will look up this HPDM to see what it is.
Hiring from within
FDA
Thu Aug 18, 2005 10:22 AM
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My experience with the hiring process from within is lack of fairness. Most managers push somebody that matches their social preference and puprosely down plays others even if they are better qualified with superior experience.
Testing must be a major part of hiring process even from within the same agency. Department heads or directors should not be in the position of hiring any one. Hiring should be left with OPM HR. Managers can forward their specific criteria to HR to implement when hiring.
Hiring
DoD
Thu Aug 18, 2005 11:50 AM
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At the request of the Hiring Authority, I just "screened" over 100 applications for a GG-12 special security officer position. At least 75 of the applicants were simply not qualified; former recreation specialists, mechanics, no experience in the field, did not meet security clearance requirements, etc. I reviewed the advert just to ensure I had provided civ personnel with all data and the advert was correct and detailed. After the hire was made I received several call from individuals not hired questioning our hiring decision. All calls were from individuals who were definitely not qualified. I know the system is not perfect; but in my experience the biggest problem is that most prospective employees refuse to conduct an honest self appraisal of their skills, ability, and experience. They apply for jobs that obviously require higher formal academic requirements and skill sets than they possess.
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DoD
Thu Aug 18, 2005 9:07 PM
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The Govt. hiring process woud be more effcicient if it used one application process instead of the multiple on-line platforms now used. As far as favoritism, etc - as long as the world hase existed there has been favoritism, cronyism etc. and there will always be. It's hard to "stamp out" human nature!