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Majority of readers-not
AF
Thu Feb 16, 2006 10:16 PM
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Just wanted to make a couple of comments. Up front in the article you state the "majority of readers" are working for job security. Yet the poll numbers from the earlier article state: "27% are working because of job security." While it is the largest category of those listed, 27% is not a majority. So the statement does not match the data.
Secondly, to Manager DoD: Where are those jobs that pay better than pay better than anything else available? I know that many of my industry counterparts with the background, experience, and level of responsibility make double my pay. Keeping new engineers is even harder. I'm losing new hires to industry with $20K or more boosts over what the government offers. And the idea of job security never entered my mind when I started. It was for a chance to do something worthwhile. But I would never recommend any young person work for the government.
Re: Majority of readers-not
AF
Fri Feb 17, 2006 11:26 AM
This Is Why NSPS Is Such a Lie...
AFRC
Fri Mar 17, 2006 8:33 AM
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OPM says that it wants to attract the "best and brightest" to replace the coming "brain drain" of retiring boomers. But (1) the hiring process is so hard that B&Brs just give up, or (2) they come into "silly service" the way I did when you have no connections: you take a clerical job and "soldier" your way up to the job you originally wanted. The latter is a long, long wait that may or may not pay off, if you hang on long enough.
Factor in P4P, and there's not a lot left to attract B&Brs. Nor, for that matter, does a lot remain to retain those "hordes" of aging boomers in their present jobs and/or promotion potential.
What it amounts to is, OPM wants the B&B, but they're unwilling to pay them what they're worth and also make it difficult for them to get into the federal workplace.
Which means that P4P is just "blowing smoke" up all feds' skirts just to steal our $$ due us under present personnel and pay rules under the law.
Now, WHO wants that $$ and WHY...?
Re: This Is Why NSPS Is Such a Lie...
DISA
Thu Apr 13, 2006 11:19 AM
I have never heard of a pay scale plan that did not use a bell curve to place employees within the pay scale.
Re: Getting a Federal Job
Dept of Navy
Tue Jun 13, 2006 7:30 AM
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The hiring process, easier or harder? It doesn't matter. Once the govt hires them, it doesn't know what to do with them anyway! As a former Naval Acquisitions Intern with eight years on the job, I've seen most of my intern peers disappear either thru RIFs, transfers to other agencies or resignations. I've barely escaped two RIFs myself & am actively networking to find career growth opportunities (non-existant in my present organization).
Getting In
DLA
Mon Jul 17, 2006 6:12 AM
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It took me from 1998 until 2005 to get in after having submitted over 200 apps. I had a 3.66 GPA with my MBA, and a prior service disabled vet. I am 35, and I know exactly what NSPS is. It took some persistence to get in to the gov't, and it had little to do with how bright I was.
Hiring the Best
SBA
Mon May 5, 2008 11:37 PM
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I have been told at my agency that it is not important to hire the best person, only one of the best qualified. Many jobs are filled without interviews, using suspect methods, but they meet the very letter of the law, so they can't be challenged. This leaves the taxpayer with mostly poor managers and polilcy makers. There is nothing more frustrating then to see an incompetent former employee get hired back for a higher position because he kissed the right ass for many years. Unfortunately he will never be downgraded or fired, only moved to some incredibly meaningless job.
I can now understand how I spent countless hours applying for positions, never being interviewed and never getting many positions.
New graduates and Federal Employment
Internal Revenue Service
Wed May 7, 2008 10:27 AM
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There are some statements in your article that I disagree with.
You say our economy is humming along. Anyone with an education can find a job. The impression it creates is not true. Our economy is either in a true recession or an extremely low growth rate. Statistics, which lie, show unemployment at somewhere around 5%. This excludes frustrated people who cannot find a job. It also does not include underemployed people. These are people who work as low paying clerks or something similar and have a college degree. I have not seen any statistics that truly measure unemployment and underemployment. However, I have talked with people who have been laid off and have trouble finding a reasonable paying job. It is not good out there.
As far as working for the government, it could be a great job if it weren't for management's desire to meet numerical goals no matter what the truth is. Also if the worker is 5% wrong and 95% right, the worker is blamed. Mgt must do a better job.