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Are You One of the "Good Old Boys?"

PFP

Contract Specialist
DLA
Mon Jul 10, 2006 9:04 AM

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Ralph,

I love the idea. I just do not like this doing away with the GS ratings as I like a rank structure, knowing that a promotion is measurable. It's maybe a psychological thing. What guarantees do we have that this is not a budget control measure? I work hard as it is, and if I find that I am not being rewarded I will move on to another better paying gig. There definitely needs to be PFP, however I doubt NSPS is the fairest way to go.

Pay for Performance?

Mgmt & Program Analyst
Defense Logistics Agency
Mon Jul 10, 2006 9:05 AM

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Are we to believe that the ratings that we receive will be ours alone and won't be subject to the pressures of "norming" ratings across racial/sexual lines? Awards are currently "normed" and we have no reason to think that so-called "pay-for-performance" will not.

Also, are we to really believe that managers will actually be held accountable and that managers' ratings won't be inflated?

work outside section

INDUSTRIAL SPECIALST
DCMA
Mon Jul 10, 2006 9:06 AM

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if i work outside my section, doing very complicated/technical work for other sections outside the pervue of my boss, i am helping the agency, but my boss may only see it as time lost for 'his' work. he may penalize me for it, while in fact, i am doing the agency a distinct service, and at the same time, keeping up on my "regular" duties. (i have gotten several letters of appreciation/ commendation for helping outside my section.)

Are You One of the "Good Old Boys?"

E.E.
Army
Mon Jul 10, 2006 9:20 AM

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What can a fed do to get ahead in either system. You have 3 choices:
1. Get a fair boss and do a good job. (No matter what anyone believes, this probably applies to most feds. At my installation it does.)
2. Be the boss's fair-haired boy or girl.
3. If neither 1 or 2 apply, get another job.

The ground rules may be different in the two systems, but the necessary basic skills are the same. In the end you have to learn to navigate either system. Writing up a good performance review will be key, just as it is now, so knowing how to write is essential, especially if you're in a pay-banding situation. Otherwise it's just a matter of learning the new rules and how your boss handles them.

New Pay System

Retired
DoD
Mon Jul 10, 2006 9:23 AM

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What you say is true; as long as Management has some ethics and the major goal is "not" looking where they can obtain their next sexcapade. I had worked in such an environment. In those situations, the like minded scum promotes each other and nothing changes until something breaks to change it (for example: the sexual harrassment at the Air Force Academy, the Navy, etc). The best and only advice in these situations, is to move on as quickly as possible! Change jobs! You cannot fight them; you cannot win.

Good Ol' Boy

IET
Navy
Mon Jul 10, 2006 9:24 AM

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You hit the nail on the Head...stating The Choice is Yours.
The public views service to country and quality career employment as short term. Experience is leaving at the first opportuntity. Leardership and accoutability is short sighted...the "I got mine attitude" is generally predominant and the justification for Pay-For- Performance will create more frustration and departure.

Are You One of the "Good Old Boys?"

HR Specialist
MMS
Mon Jul 10, 2006 9:25 AM

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Keep it up Ralph, I always enjoy your articles. On this topic, I could not agree more with you, attitude reflect altitude. So what if you are looked upon being a "good old boy". In college I learned one lesson well, if you do not contribute, why are you here? Thanks Ralph and keep up the good articles you are a delight to read.

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