Retired Program Analyst USAF, USAR, and USDA Mon May 12, 2008 8:33 AM
You can't cure stupid! Anyone that thinks changing agencies is going to cover up a government credit card debt deserves to be removed from federal service.
Re: Lying About Govt Credit Card Debt
Rural Development Specialist USDA/formerly DOD Mon May 12, 2008 8:44 AM
Ditto, what has happened to responsibility for yourself? When did it become okay to incur debt and not pay? People using gov credit cards for personal expenses because their own credit is bad? And who gets to pay? Guess there are a lot of folks who just don't care who they hurt.
Daniels
Program Specialist GSA Mon May 12, 2008 9:30 AM
Such a FOOL. She worked for the Federal Government, did she really think she would get away with lying on her application. With today's technology, background checks are conducted at lightening speed. Our lives are now in so many computer databases - it's almost impossible to get away with anything. It's never pays to lie, tell the truth and face the music.
Lying
HR Manager (Retired) Department of the Air Force Mon May 12, 2008 9:50 AM
Wow!!! What a dummy. Not only did she abuse her government credit card priveledges but then lied on her background investigation form. Let's hope another Federal agency does not hire her in a position of trust.
Dah!
AO NIH Mon May 12, 2008 10:14 AM
People are just silly at times to think they can get away with abusing public trust. These are the types of people that give the rest of us who work hard a bad rap. I am glad that she was removed. This needs to happen more often when abuses are found.
I would be ashame of myself
Admin Forest Service Mon May 12, 2008 11:06 AM
...And she has the nerve to appeal her termination. If I were here I'll hide because I would be too ashame.
Correct
Soil Conservationist USDA Mon May 12, 2008 11:53 AM
It is unusual when all the folks on this discussion pretty much agree, but that is true this time.
She is nonintelligent and a criminal. Glad she is not an Federal civil servrice employee.
BANNED FROM ANY FEDERAL/STATE JOB
ATSS DOT Mon May 12, 2008 1:04 PM
STUPID is as STUPID does! She should be banned from ANY government job. She has ruined her credibility and needs to learn responsibility. Some just have to learn the hard way.
Lying about Government Credit Card Debt Leads to R
Program Specialist NOAA Mon May 12, 2008 1:43 PM
She should have known better! She got just what she deserve. Doesn't she know better then to lie on a government form. Once you get fired from the Federal Government, I guess she will be flipping burgers for the rest of her life!!!
So What!?
Unsubordinate None Mon May 12, 2008 2:21 PM
Not that I advocate theft, but this isn't the worst I have ever heard of.
Re: So What!?
Program Analyst OPM Fri Jun 20, 2008 6:12 AM
It is not what she did, it is what she failed to do!
lying on background questionaires
worker usda Mon May 12, 2008 3:28 PM
Everyone please remember, when the HSPD-12 investigations start coming around to your office ( they will for all govt employees), make sure that you do not lie about anything. Telling the truth and admitting a mistake can be dealt with thru this process, but any surprise and out you go!
Lying to GOv't
Supervisor DOI Tue May 13, 2008 2:31 PM
So what, someone lied to Uncle Sugar! According to Rev. Wright, Uncle Sugar lies all the time. Besides, haven't you heard of situation ethics? Maybe she couldn't afford to pay the bill, after all, a girl just gotta have fun.
I don't subscribe to any of this crap, I just didn't want a discussion thread to close without some controversy:)
Re: Lying to GOv't
Program Analyst OPM Fri Jun 20, 2008 6:14 AM
That does not excuse what she did. It is much better to be honest about stuff. As my colleague below says, lying is stupid and the gov't will find out about it. Not only that, it is a felony!
So common...
investigator opm Wed May 14, 2008 10:19 PM
People try to lie all the time on the security questionaires. She's lucky she didn't get in more trouble! Deliberate falsification in the background investigation process is a felony (title 18, U.S. code, section 1001).
Re: So common...
Program Analyst OPM Fri Jun 20, 2008 6:11 AM
Lying on the background questionnaire is stupid. Even if the information had gotten expunged, the gov't could still find out about it. Basically, everything you have done, they will know about. No matter how bad of a thing you have done, it is always better to tell the truth. It makes no sense to apply for a job if there is no hope on getting it--depending on what you did...but maybe she had a very good reason why she had not paid it. When I got hired, I just admitted the minor stupid stuff that I had done in college--and no problem. If I had lied, that would have been a whole nother story.
Just a thought...
John S. NIMH Mon Sep 1, 2008 10:46 AM
Lying is never the "best policy"; however, depending on one's circumstances, it may be the only policy, if someone wants to get their foot in the door. I'm speaking only of a "mental health condition". Everyone, at least if they are honest with themselves, will tell you that if a company (not the government!) has 2 equally qualified applicants, however, one applicant has a past condition, say depression, that candidate will be passed over because of the stigma that exists in our society. This is axiomatic. No one on this board can honestly contest what I have said and provide evidence to the contrary. It happens over and over again in our society. Again, I am not referring to the Government but I am referring to biased, uninformed, often uneducated, medically unqualified personnel rendering a discriminatory opinion based on their own pre-existing biases of applicants with a mental health condition. I welcome any debate on this issue.
Lying About Govt Credit Card Debt
USAF, USAR, and USDA
Mon May 12, 2008 8:33 AM
You can't cure stupid! Anyone that thinks changing agencies is going to cover up a government credit card debt deserves to be removed from federal service.
Re: Lying About Govt Credit Card Debt
USDA/formerly DOD
Mon May 12, 2008 8:44 AM
Daniels
GSA
Mon May 12, 2008 9:30 AM
Such a FOOL. She worked for the Federal Government, did she really think she would get away with lying on her application. With today's technology, background checks are conducted at lightening speed. Our lives are now in so many computer databases - it's almost impossible to get away with anything. It's never pays to lie, tell the truth and face the music.
Lying
Department of the Air Force
Mon May 12, 2008 9:50 AM
Wow!!! What a dummy. Not only did she abuse her government credit card priveledges but then lied on her background investigation form. Let's hope another Federal agency does not hire her in a position of trust.
Dah!
NIH
Mon May 12, 2008 10:14 AM
People are just silly at times to think they can get away with abusing public trust. These are the types of people that give the rest of us who work hard a bad rap. I am glad that she was removed. This needs to happen more often when abuses are found.
I would be ashame of myself
Forest Service
Mon May 12, 2008 11:06 AM
...And she has the nerve to appeal her termination. If I were here I'll hide because I would be too ashame.
Correct
USDA
Mon May 12, 2008 11:53 AM
It is unusual when all the folks on this discussion pretty much agree, but that is true this time.
She is nonintelligent and a criminal. Glad she is not an Federal civil servrice employee.
BANNED FROM ANY FEDERAL/STATE JOB
DOT
Mon May 12, 2008 1:04 PM
STUPID is as STUPID does! She should be banned from ANY government job. She has ruined her credibility and needs to learn responsibility. Some just have to learn the hard way.
Lying about Government Credit Card Debt Leads to R
NOAA
Mon May 12, 2008 1:43 PM
She should have known better! She got just what she deserve. Doesn't she know better then to lie on a government form. Once you get fired from the Federal Government, I guess she will be flipping burgers for the rest of her life!!!
So What!?
None
Mon May 12, 2008 2:21 PM
Not that I advocate theft, but this isn't the worst I have ever heard of.
Re: So What!?
OPM
Fri Jun 20, 2008 6:12 AM
lying on background questionaires
usda
Mon May 12, 2008 3:28 PM
Everyone please remember, when the HSPD-12 investigations start coming around to your office ( they will for all govt employees), make sure that you do not lie about anything. Telling the truth and admitting a mistake can be dealt with thru this process, but any surprise and out you go!
Lying to GOv't
DOI
Tue May 13, 2008 2:31 PM
So what, someone lied to Uncle Sugar! According to Rev. Wright, Uncle Sugar lies all the time. Besides, haven't you heard of situation ethics? Maybe she couldn't afford to pay the bill, after all, a girl just gotta have fun.
I don't subscribe to any of this crap, I just didn't want a discussion thread to close without some controversy:)
Re: Lying to GOv't
OPM
Fri Jun 20, 2008 6:14 AM
So common...
opm
Wed May 14, 2008 10:19 PM
People try to lie all the time on the security questionaires. She's lucky she didn't get in more trouble! Deliberate falsification in the background investigation process is a felony (title 18, U.S. code, section 1001).
Re: So common...
OPM
Fri Jun 20, 2008 6:11 AM
Just a thought...
NIMH
Mon Sep 1, 2008 10:46 AM
Lying is never the "best policy"; however, depending on one's circumstances, it may be the only policy, if someone wants to get their foot in the door. I'm speaking only of a "mental health condition". Everyone, at least if they are honest with themselves, will tell you that if a company (not the government!) has 2 equally qualified applicants, however, one applicant has a past condition, say depression, that candidate will be passed over because of the stigma that exists in our society. This is axiomatic. No one on this board can honestly contest what I have said and provide evidence to the contrary. It happens over and over again in our society. Again, I am not referring to the Government but I am referring to biased, uninformed, often uneducated, medically unqualified personnel rendering a discriminatory opinion based on their own pre-existing biases of applicants with a mental health condition. I welcome any debate on this issue.