Right now I now People with multiple masters degrees whom trained as teachers whom cannot get a job in teaching. Currently out here in reality land there are more teachers looking for work, than jobs.
Re: Really?
Prof Small College Sun Oct 19, 2008 9:13 AM
Depends on where you want to work. This semester I am teaching an advanced course at an intercity high school. If I survive 13 more class meeting I will never teach at one of these schools again. The class is plagued by lack of impulse control, disrespect, and a general lack of desire to learn. Many of the students can not read. Spoiled baby boomers are not going to put up with this situation. I hold an active statewide police commission. I still watch my back. I have taught this class before at other high schools, but never under these conditions.
Re: Really?
Clerk DOI Mon Oct 20, 2008 12:30 PM
Prof is correct: many of us Baby Boomers will not put up with the antics of those spoiled kids.
Re: Really?
ACO DCMA Tue Oct 21, 2008 1:00 PM
I'm a little confused. Who is it that's "spoiled" - the kids in the school or the "baby boomer" teachers? Sounds like someone read the word "spoiled" & applied it in contradiction to the original meaning.
RE:RE: Really?
Fed Worker DOD Mon Oct 20, 2008 6:10 AM
We have inner-city school districts that are laying off teachers partly due to charter schools and the teachers in those schools are fighting to keep those jobs. It is not a rosy picture. You are right that many of these Baby Boomers are not going to want to teach in this environment.
Re: RE:RE: Really?
HR Guy Been around Mon Oct 20, 2008 7:24 AM
Layoffs? Becasue of charter schools? Baloney. The fact is that charter schools are incredibly limited in scale because the unions fear them. Why? Try the quality of the education offered and the engagement of students and teachers in their education.
If anyone thinks Detroit makes crummy cars, try these stats: Half the kids don't show up, and half of those don't graduate. A near universal 25 percent success rate in our urban school districts. At $15k/yr/ per student...even those who don't show. A classroom of 20 kids represents a public investment of $300k!!!
The truth is that there are way too many teachers who can't teach becasue they don't know anything but "elementary ed." Want a teaching job? Learn and teach something "valuable", like math, or a science.
trade school instructors
retired production manager DON Mon Oct 20, 2008 9:28 AM
I see your examples only include subjects which would be found in schools or colleges. Are there any needs for trade school instructors? Many technical instructors have many more hours in trade theory courses than people with college degrees, after all, many instructors completed a 4-5 year apprenticeship in addition to specialized courses after reaching their target goal of mechanic.
Misstatement
Director Internal Review, Ft Huachuca Mon Oct 20, 2008 12:24 PM
I don't know about other states, but in Arizona teachers do qualify for Social Security. My wife taught for over thirty years and her teaching job falls under the State Retirement System. She currently receives between 75 and 80% of her "average" for her high five years. She will be eligible to receive Social Security payments once she reaches 62.
Re: Misstatement
Salior DON Mon Oct 20, 2008 5:49 PM
That's a better retirement plan that FERS - far better!!!
Re: Misstatement
Diversity Manager DOL Mon Oct 20, 2008 7:55 PM
She paid into the SS System that is why she is eligable
Going back
IT Drone DoD Mon Oct 20, 2008 9:51 PM
I used to teach many years ago, but hated the paperwork. I have already decided that I will go back as a long-term sub after I retire from my current position. It's good pay and I can set my hours.
some teachers are under Social Security
Technical Expert Social Security Administration Tue Oct 21, 2008 8:49 AM
In PA, teachers are covered under Social Security as well as qualify for excellent pension benefits. Hopefull this makes up for the grief and low pay they suffer through their careers!
Teaching
Supreme Mongo Bureau of Mongo Tue Oct 21, 2008 3:06 PM
I'm a "Baby Boomer" and I tried teaching right after I received my degree. I won't ever set foot in another class room again unless there is a massive crackdown and discipline is restored. Horrid, disrespectful little beasties would be an understatement. BTW I live in a rural area so bad conduct isn't confined to inner city schools.
I already taught...
Management Analyst DoD Mon Nov 3, 2008 11:48 AM
I came to the governmentr from a teaching job. Most of the students are pretty good but the 10% who are bad are horrendous. Those whose parents participate in the educational process are also pretty good, but the parents of the 10% who come to the school to tell the teacher and the administration how their child is an angel and would never do...fill in the blank. And then there is the often spineless principles who fold under pressure and won't back up the teachers. I did enjoy watching some of the students learn, but it was a joy fraught with agony over the ones I could do nothing with discipline-wise. No, I don't think teaching is the right retirement vocation for this baby boomer. And the pay isn't near enough nor is the pension worth the misery.
Really?
DoD
Sun Oct 19, 2008 6:45 AM
Right now I now People with multiple masters degrees whom trained as teachers whom cannot get a job in teaching. Currently out here in reality land there are more teachers looking for work, than jobs.
Re: Really?
Small College
Sun Oct 19, 2008 9:13 AM
Re: Really?
DOI
Mon Oct 20, 2008 12:30 PM
Re: Really?
DCMA
Tue Oct 21, 2008 1:00 PM
RE:RE: Really?
DOD
Mon Oct 20, 2008 6:10 AM
We have inner-city school districts that are laying off teachers partly due to charter schools and the teachers in those schools are fighting to keep those jobs. It is not a rosy picture. You are right that many of these Baby Boomers are not going to want to teach in this environment.
Re: RE:RE: Really?
Been around
Mon Oct 20, 2008 7:24 AM
If anyone thinks Detroit makes crummy cars, try these stats: Half the kids don't show up, and half of those don't graduate. A near universal 25 percent success rate in our urban school districts. At $15k/yr/ per student...even those who don't show. A classroom of 20 kids represents a public investment of $300k!!!
The truth is that there are way too many teachers who can't teach becasue they don't know anything but "elementary ed." Want a teaching job? Learn and teach something "valuable", like math, or a science.
trade school instructors
DON
Mon Oct 20, 2008 9:28 AM
I see your examples only include subjects which would be found in schools or colleges. Are there any needs for trade school instructors? Many technical instructors have many more hours in trade theory courses than people with college degrees, after all, many instructors completed a 4-5 year apprenticeship in addition to specialized courses after reaching their target goal of mechanic.
Misstatement
Internal Review, Ft Huachuca
Mon Oct 20, 2008 12:24 PM
I don't know about other states, but in Arizona teachers do qualify for Social Security. My wife taught for over thirty years and her teaching job falls under the State Retirement System. She currently receives between 75 and 80% of her "average" for her high five years. She will be eligible to receive Social Security payments once she reaches 62.
Re: Misstatement
DON
Mon Oct 20, 2008 5:49 PM
Re: Misstatement
DOL
Mon Oct 20, 2008 7:55 PM
Going back
DoD
Mon Oct 20, 2008 9:51 PM
I used to teach many years ago, but hated the paperwork. I have already decided that I will go back as a long-term sub after I retire from my current position. It's good pay and I can set my hours.
some teachers are under Social Security
Social Security Administration
Tue Oct 21, 2008 8:49 AM
In PA, teachers are covered under Social Security as well as qualify for excellent pension benefits. Hopefull this makes up for the grief and low pay they suffer through their careers!
Teaching
Bureau of Mongo
Tue Oct 21, 2008 3:06 PM
I'm a "Baby Boomer" and I tried teaching right after I received my degree. I won't ever set foot in another class room again unless there is a massive crackdown and discipline is restored. Horrid, disrespectful little beasties would be an understatement. BTW I live in a rural area so bad conduct isn't confined to inner city schools.
I already taught...
DoD
Mon Nov 3, 2008 11:48 AM
I came to the governmentr from a teaching job. Most of the students are pretty good but the 10% who are bad are horrendous. Those whose parents participate in the educational process are also pretty good, but the parents of the 10% who come to the school to tell the teacher and the administration how their child is an angel and would never do...fill in the blank. And then there is the often spineless principles who fold under pressure and won't back up the teachers. I did enjoy watching some of the students learn, but it was a joy fraught with agony over the ones I could do nothing with discipline-wise. No, I don't think teaching is the right retirement vocation for this baby boomer. And the pay isn't near enough nor is the pension worth the misery.