Former HR Specialist Federal Agency Fri Oct 31, 2008 9:02 AM
Whoever wins next week needs to remember this survey. For too long the political appointees of both parties have assumed that civil servants are one big monolith of nothing but democrats. The Schedule C's need to remember that people of all stripes have come to work in the civil service to provide the best government to all the citizens of this country. Republicans shouldn't assume that we will fight any action that they propose, and Democrats can't assume that we will support just any expansion of a government program they propose.
Re: Next January
Asset Mgr GSA Fri Oct 31, 2008 9:52 AM
No Offense - but, when and where have you experienced that any politician has done the will of ALL the people? The real part the folks like us play - is electing these people over and over again. Once entrenched - so many of them do as they see fit - they owe it the lobbyists.
Please explain why you think you or me or any of us can control a (if Obama wins) fillabuster proof regime?
Survey says! Wrong
Civilian Pay Tech GSA Fri Oct 31, 2008 9:12 AM
Incorrect sampling is no doubt the problem with your survey but of course there is no way to account for that with a voluntary survey. Moreover, I've noticed through service in 4 federal agencies that Republicans are very well represented in government employee and indeed may comprise a plurality. I would be one too but, in truth, my Christian upbringing, Catholic school, taught me well that, basically, the GOP message is at odds with
the teachings of Jesus Christ, i.e., love thy neighbor" and "do unto others as you would have... etc" GOP philosophy is "devil take the hindmost."
Re: Survey says! Wrong
Asset Mgr GSA Fri Oct 31, 2008 10:26 AM
No offense is intended - I don't believe you are in a position, nor is the catholic church or anyone else in this world in a position to "judge" republicans or democrats or any person.
My upbringing was also Catholic and I was never taught that I could "judge" anyone's beliefs - regardless of their race, color or creed. That priviledge belongs to God alone!
Thank you.
Re: Survey says! Wrong
Vet NAVY Fri Oct 31, 2008 10:41 AM
If the GOP message is at odds with the teachings of Jesus Christ, please explain how killing babies is not? Obama has and will continue to vote to kill babies under the guise of choice. The devil is a liar, he is the father of lies. He comes to steal, kill, and destroy. He comes disguised as an angel of light. As I always tell my congregation two things when reading the Scripture. Do not read just one verse, read before and after. Second, context, context, context. Single verses are usually taken out of context. I was raised a Catholic, went to Catholic school, but that did not make me a Christian. Only a submitted relationship with Jesus Christ will do that. Pray and listen to God before you vote. 2 Chronicles 7:14 If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves, and pray and seek My face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and forgive thier sin and heal their land. God Bless America
Re: Survey says! Wrong
Retired Retired Fri Oct 31, 2008 5:10 PM
Well, there we have it. "Standardized" church doctrine with each person speaking the word of God. Each choosing to force their view of religion on the other person. Did you ever wonder how long after taking communion the abortion clinic bombers plant their bombs? The next time you shake your head in disbelief as the "Allah Akbar" crowd imposes their religious views on innocent "infidels", just remember this thread.
Re: Survey says! Wrong
Retired Dod Sat Nov 1, 2008 11:06 AM
Why is it that he only time people on the left want religion in the public discourse is when they want to take your money in taxes and give it to someone else quoting Jesus in the process?
Re: Survey says! Wrong
Technical Editor TACOM Sat Nov 1, 2008 1:25 PM
The Abortion Clinic Bombing argument brought up for the 2000th time?
Difference is that extremists whether religious or not, don't represent their relgion or anyone but themselves.
Christians have spoke out against abortion clinic bombings. The whole purpose of being against abortion is to be FOR the sanctity of Human Life and that is a well known belief that obviously doesn't dove tail with abortion clinic bombings or any bombings.
There's no moral equivalency with Christianity and Islamic extremists when there are overwhelmingly a larger amount of extremist islamics with C.A.I.R. organization refusing to acknowledge what a terrorist organization is (Hamas, Hezzbollah).
Plus there are countless public schools throughout the world telling their students that killing innocent people because they are JEWS is perfectly ok. I don't know any public Christian school in America telling students that bombing clincis is ok.
Re: Survey says! Wrong
Retired Retired Sat Nov 1, 2008 9:14 PM
Well “Technical Editor”, if you don’t want to hear about the abortion clinic bombers sitting in the pew next to you then you definitely don’t want to hear about the pedophile predators standing at the alter in front of you. Nonetheless, it is your support that spirits them out of town just a step ahead of the law lest they embarrass your particular brand of “the true religion”.
Re: Survey says! Wrong
Attorney DoD Mon Nov 3, 2008 9:41 AM
I don't see where you get the idea that Obama is somehow in favor of killing babies. Nobody likes abortion, including Obama. All Obama has done is go on record as saying he supports leaving alone Roe v. Wade that we've had for 40 years now. In other words, the mother is free to choose life if she is so inclined. If you were truly "conservative" you would be for keeping the government out of the decision, just like true conservatives are in favor of keeping the government's hands off our guns. The "pro-life" movement is also contrary to conservative opposition to welfare, since unwanted pregnancies that frequently end up with unloved, abused children on welfare. It seems that the Republicans care deeply about children from conception until birth.
Thank you Fed Smith
Asset Mgr GSA Fri Oct 31, 2008 9:18 AM
Thank you Fed Smith for this open and honest report! I appreciate the time spent to provide an open forum for Feds to express their opinions and the results of your survey aren't tainted one way or the other! One question has plagued me throughout this campaigning season - here it is: "If Obama were applying for a Regular Federal Job - how could he pass the DHS Security investigation with all of his past or present associations?" How did he become a US Senator? How could he run for the Presidency with all that is secretive about his background and associations? I don't know who or what he is -- except a smooth talker.
Who am I voting for
Program Technician Farm Service Agency Fri Oct 31, 2008 9:22 AM
I am voting AGAINST Obama.
Re: Who am I voting for
Program Analyst OPM Fri Oct 31, 2008 10:13 AM
That makes two of us...sad thing is, the polls seem to show that Americans are tired of the Republican Party and want "Change." What utter nonsense, every politician says that, and like Ron Paul said, it is just a word--it does not mean anything. Candidates never show, they just tell and Obama is VERY good at telling!
Re: Who am I voting for
Programmer TSO Fri Oct 31, 2008 5:29 PM
Program Analyst has a point, Obama can run his mouth all he wants but what's he ever DONE?
Re: Who am I voting for
IT Specialist DOD Fri Oct 31, 2008 8:15 PM
This election may very well come down to voting "Against" Obama and what he really stands for rather than voting "For" McCain. I don't know what has been going on in the last two weeks, but there have been a lot of Obama supporters throwing the guy under the bus. Biden with his tax cuts for $150,00o or less. Clinton saying he had to run to his advisers to include him when the financial crisis hit. Barney Frank stating that there are a lot of rich people to tax and we want to cut Defense by 25%. Today, Bill Richardson lowered "middle class" to $120,000. With Friends like these helping his election, I would lock them all in closet.
Presidential Election
Program Analyst USAF Fri Oct 31, 2008 9:27 AM
How is Obama good for this Country? He is going to tax the upper 5% to pay for the majority of America--Right!! Did you look at his plan to take our federal Retirement and place it in Social Security so we can draw "one" check--Not two with the "guarantee" we will receive 3% on our Money. It is also Very odvious that we have many "Sexist" in the Government--Reagan, Bush, Clinton were ALL Governors--so what is wrong with a Woman Governor--look at her aprpoval rating and record--No it is evident where many Men in Government stand. Shame on you!!
the future President...John McCain
Human Resource Assist. IRS Fri Oct 31, 2008 9:36 AM
I am so sick of voters who are constantly stating Mr. McCain is "old" and could die in office - don't they realize that anyone could die at anytime. When your time is up - it is up.
Re: the future President...John McCain
Unhigh on the Food Chain VA Fri Oct 31, 2008 11:00 AM
Not necessarily. If you stand in front of an on-coming train, you have essentially MADE your time be up, hence McPain in this election!
Re: the future President...John McCain
eng nasa Fri Oct 31, 2008 12:19 PM
If polls simply vote on emotions,we are heading for a disaster. Electing unqualified people simply because you are angry with the bush administration will drastically weaken this country. If you think 9/11 was bad, you haven't seen anything yet. It's important that the voter challenges the candidate who is best qualified for the job to be prepared-rather than unprepared where chaos follows-like happend on 9/11. I believe the Republican candidates are best qualified for this job.
John McCain/Sarah Palin
Retired Nurse USPHS Fri Oct 31, 2008 9:39 AM
Come on!!!! We want a WIN on Tuesday!!!! And, we are here to provide it!
Qualifications
Program Analyst RD Fri Oct 31, 2008 9:49 AM
The thing that amazes me is all those that feel Obama is more qualified than Palin. First Palin is not running for Pesident, McCain is. At least she has had experience running a State Gov, that is more than you can say for Obama, he has never run any kind of gov office (yes he was a State Senator and a Senator from a State in which he voted present more times than yes or no, so he has never run a gov office) . Second, we work hard for our money, why should I sit back and let him "spread it around" to all those that don't want to work hard, if this is not socialism then I don't know what is. Less face it Socialism has never worked anywhere. As for Biden, who knows what will come out of his mouth to anger our enemies.
Re: Qualifications
Quality Assurance USDA Fri Oct 31, 2008 1:18 PM
First off, I am neither for Obama nor McCain, I will probably make up my mind on Tuesday.
But, to say that just because a person lacks "experiance" does not mean they would not make a good president.
Take James Buchanan, he was a state representative from 1814-1816, a U.S. representative from 1821 to 1831. He was the Ambassador to Russia from 1832 to 1834, a U.S. Senator from 1834 to 1845, turned down an appointment to the U.S. Surpreme Court and was Ambassador to Great Britian from 1853 to 1856. When he was elected president, his term was so bad that his own party began an investigation of immpeachment for treason. He is consistantly ranked as the worst or second worse (A. Jackson and he swap) president of all time.
Now we take this next fellow, served as a state representative from 1834 to 1842, he was not re-elected. And 18 years later he runs for and gets elected as president. Ranked the greatest president ever-A. Lincoln.
Experiance? That does not hold water.
Re: Qualifications
accountant, retired DOE, Albuquerque Fri Oct 31, 2008 2:48 PM
Palin went to many mediocre schools to get her degree and is an intellectual light weight, Obama graduated from harvard with honors and shows, intellectual and emotional intellegence. McCain acts like a spoiled rich kid who had everything given to him and finished near the bottom of his class. He only got in the Annapolis because his father and grand father were admirals. give me a break
Re: Qualifications
IT Specialist DOD Fri Oct 31, 2008 8:07 PM
I doesn't take great intelligence to get elected to office. It really only takes money and opportunity. You don't get measured by what your grades were in high school or college as an adult when it comes to political office. Al Gore's grades were terrible in college if you compare them to Bush and Kerry.
Re: Qualifications
admin asst doe Sat Nov 1, 2008 7:42 AM
"Al Gore's grades were terrible in college if you compare them to Bush and Kerry. "
Good point. Bush had higher grades than Kerry too.
Re: Qualifications
Worker DoD Mon Nov 3, 2008 7:47 AM
accountant, retired
Since you didn't graduate from Harvard or some other Ivy League school, you are "mediocre" and an "intellectual light weight?" That's the problem with the Democratic Party; elitist attitudes and systematic degradation while stating they know whats best for everyone.
Re: Qualifications
Attorney DoD Mon Nov 3, 2008 9:53 AM
Since you didn't graduate from Harvard or some other Ivy League school, you are "mediocre" and an "intellectual light weight?"
No, but it is not unreasonable to expect the V-P candidate to formulate coherent sentences, such as inability to identify ANY newspapers or magazines she ever reads, or claiming foreign policy experience based on proximity to Russia.
I also expect my V-P candidate to be able to realize that she is being scammed by the "President of France" after a 7-minute conversation in which the "President" drops references to how "hot" his wife is in bed, uses a fake name for the Prime Minister of Canada (while Palin pretends to know him), and makes references to a documentary on herself by Hustler magazine. And she STILL didn't get it. Duh!
Re: Qualifications
DOT Engineer (small fry in a large pond) Mon Nov 3, 2008 11:13 AM
The thing is, the current administration has actually embraced communism by buying shares in commercial banks. Communism is government ownership of private enterprise. So let's not raise the socialism flag.
Re: Qualifications
DOT Engineer (small fry in a large pond) Mon Nov 3, 2008 11:15 AM
I hate to tell you guys, but Bush also finished at the bottom of his class. He also had money and opportunity and was probably the only reason he went to Yale.
Presidential Election
NEPA Coordinator Forest Service Fri Oct 31, 2008 10:01 AM
Don't you realize that our current tax system already taxes the wealthy at a higher rate than the rest of us? Obama's plan only tweaks the system, it doesn't change the system. And there is nowhere in Obama's tax plan that proposes that ludicrous idea of abolishing 401(k)'s and replacing them with a mandatory 5% savings at 3% earnings. Those are ideas being thrown around by a handful of Democrats. It's NOT on the ballot or proposed by Obama. Get your facts straight before you vote.
Re: Presidential Election
ISS DoN Fri Oct 31, 2008 10:30 AM
We worry that our kids are unduly influenced by marketing strategies to sell them images of sexy, skinny models or toys that promote the latest block-buster movie. As adults we seem to have forgotten that we are vulnerable to the same type of “promotional selling” tactics with our vote. Enough already! Vote from an intelligent, pragmatic, balanced, and logical perspective. Let’s say that we have had enough of spouting hate, hype, and innuendo as if it were fact. Read and do your own research, and think for yourselves. But please remember to vote.
I am voting for Obama and Biden because I personally believe that we need change and they uphold my values of equality and kindness to my fellow man. They are not “redistributing the wealth” they are letting me keep more of my hard earned money by paying less in taxes because I make less that $200,000 a year. Please open your eyes and see how you are being duped by slogans—don’t prove the old saying that “there’s a sucker born every minute.”
Re: Presidential Election
Civ Navy Fri Oct 31, 2008 10:49 AM
If YOU are paying less taxes, SOMEONE has to more. Where do you think the revenue will come from? So, the rich get taxed more. America's foundation is built on the rich corporations. If the rich corporations are taxed more and their bottom line is less, guess who will feel the pinch? Is that so really hard to understand. My 3 yr old granddaughter gets it. If Mommy pays more at the grocery/clothing/etc., store, there's less to bring home. And that's if there's a job left after the companies lay off their "excess."
Re: Presidential Election
IT Specialist DOD Fri Oct 31, 2008 1:55 PM
ISS- Did you see the Bill Richardson lower the middle income rate to 120,000 today. Quote "What Obama wants to do is he is basically looking at $120,000 and under among those that are in the middle class, and there is a tax cut for those," Richardson said in the interview, according to a clip posted on YouTube. Keeps getting lower.
On Obama's leadership:
ER/LR Specialist VA Fri Oct 31, 2008 10:18 AM
I question Obama's assertion that he is a post-partisan, aisle-crossing consensus builder. Looking at his track record, he has never once co-sponsored legislation with a Republican, nor, I understand, has he ever once "crossed the aisle" and voted against his party's line. McCain has done both, numerous times.
I worry that in an Obama administration, the conservative half of America will be completely shut out of the process and their concerns disregarded entirely.
Re: On Obama's leadership:
Analyst Energy Mon Nov 3, 2008 3:20 PM
Re: "being totally shut out" Shades of the GOP domination and the selling of the Congress that followed. I want a democrate president if for no other reason than to kick the blood sucking republicans out of office!! I believe that Obama has the ability to lead something sadly missing w/George. As for McCain, I wouldn't trust him to walk my dog.
Re: On Obama's leadership:
Manager DOAA Mon Nov 3, 2008 5:25 PM
Well Analyst, if we look past your name calling and personal insults it's obvious you're completely missing the point. It's a near certainty that the Democrats will have control of Congress and if we vote in Democrats into the executive branch too as you want us to we'll have one party dominating both.
In other words, we'll have the partisan domination of both that you abhor so vehemently.
Re: On Obama's leadership:
Project Manager DoD Thu Nov 6, 2008 11:17 AM
I have noted that alot of people have your concerns about Obama. That is really not your issue! It it were you should have had those same concerns about Bush and we would not be in this "S" that we are in now.
Re: On Obama's leadership:
Analyst dod Thu Nov 6, 2008 5:47 PM
Project Manager - If you mean the economy when you refer to "S", you're wrong in your inference that it was caused by Bush.
The mortgage meltdown was the catalyst for this current economic crisis. The root of this meltdown was government interference in the 90s that pressured financial institutions (fannie and freddie being the biggest players) to make mortgage loans to people who wouldn't qualify otherwise. Bush warned congress repeatedly during his term we had a crisis brewing. It was congress that failed to act on these warnings and therefore we are where we are now. Your ire should be towards those who failed to act despite being warned they needed to.
Voting is important
ISS DoN Fri Oct 31, 2008 10:24 AM
In reading the comments from federal employees in this survey and others, I guess I shouldn’t be surprised that my fellow workers are quoting sound bites and campaign commercials, snippets from whisper campaigns, fear-based rumors spread through e-mail and flyers, rumors and comments that have been debunked by fact-checking organizations but still believed by vulnerable people whose fears have been stoked by flames of bias, hate, and meanness. Our political process has turned into a publicity and marketing campaign—built on surveys, polling, branding, promotion, and the selection of words to be sold to each demographic group.
It is amazing that we approach this political season as if we are buying a presidential product that we think we can’t live without. We are not buying a product for consumption, we are selecting the leader of our country who will interact with other world leaders and bring a sense of stability and hope to all Americans.
Re: Voting is important
Worker Navy Fri Oct 31, 2008 11:55 AM
Let me know the day Osama Bin Laden wants to waltze in to kiss the hand of Barack Obama. If you think Obama is all of sudden going to spread good cheer throughout the world and we all are going to "just get along" I will be forever beholden to you. America will always be an enemy, whomever is in office.
Mis-Information about Obama
Administrative Contracting Officer DCMA Fri Oct 31, 2008 10:26 AM
Obama has to constantly fight off ignorant mud-slinging.
1) Obama doesn't want to take away your guns. If he did, he wouldn't have been endorsed by the American Hunters and Shooters Association (AHSA)
2) Obama did not vote for partial birth abortions. He vote 'Present' on a very bad bill before the legislature that would have turned doctors into felons. Please research the use of 'present' as a strategy.
If you continue to base your beliefs in mis-truths, then you will never make in informed decision.
Re: Mis-Information about Obama
Management Analyst DOC Fri Oct 31, 2008 11:01 AM
Very well stated and I agree completely! I am tired of hearing all the lies about Obama. Americans need to stop listening to the marketing strategies and pay attention to the facts. We know more about what Obama plans to do for our country than McCain. McCain wants to win the Presidential election because "he's been there, done that". We need a leader that brings a fresh perspective to the White House -- not someone who thinks they know everything. We've had enough arrogance over the past 8 years and our country has suffered because of it!
Re: Mis-Information about Obama
Cubicle-Confined Wage Slave DCMA Fri Oct 31, 2008 12:08 PM
The PR Campaign was sucessful. An endorsement by Ray Schoenke is bogus X 2. The ASHA has been proven beyond a doubt to be a "front " organization with no more than 300 members nationwide, a really slick website with some great nostalgic-looking fall scenes, and records of favoring "Sensible" gun controls (=Gradual Elemination from Society). ASHA was artificially created 2 years ago to provide the Brady Campaign and Jennifer Peter's group with a PR base to use in their PR and Media campaigns with a camo-clad group that "really" represents the "Voice of American Hunters". Apparently there is no paid members. I requested my name be removed after I learned the AHSA had contributed (heavily) to those 2 groups who would completely disarm US Citizens. No, Mr. Obama would not take any guns away. But I know without a doubt between J. Biden, C. Schumer, and N. Pelosi bills that do this would be signed by Obama and enforced. Reference J. Peters in Australia. Mass $$$$ as blunt object.
Re: Mis-Information about Obama
IT Specialist DOD Fri Oct 31, 2008 1:46 PM
I have to concur. ASHA is very much a gun ban group. Board members are all former members or associates of gun ban groups. ASHA was formed to provide cover to candidates that they actually support the 2nd Admendment when infact they don't.
Re: Mis-Information about Obama
Clerk DOI Fri Oct 31, 2008 2:56 PM
From what I've seen, ALL the candidates have had to fight off mud-slinging, either from one another or from pundits (and pundit-wannabes). I'm ready for someone to step up and discuss his/her own stance on the issues rather than bad-mouth opponents. This is why I'm still an undecided voter.
Survey
Labor Relations Specialist Department of Labor Fri Oct 31, 2008 10:50 AM
I don't think you can draw any conclusions from the latest survey or any of your previous surveys. The responses come from self-selected respondents. Perhaps, in the latest survey, McCain supporters were more motivated to respond. There is no way for you to tell.
bottom line
accountant, retired DOE Fri Oct 31, 2008 10:59 AM
The bottom line is Obama is going to win. Self selecyed polls are not an accurate reflection of government workers opinion. Obama is winning all the blue states and Ohio,Virginia, North Carolina, Nevada, New Mexico, and Colorado. It is highly unlikley that McCain can win with less than 4 days to go.
Readers Opinions
Quality Assurance USDA Fri Oct 31, 2008 11:00 AM
The great thing about this country is the ability of its citizens to express their opionion. Now these opinions are important for people like me who enjoy listening to others try and convince me that "this is good" and "that is bad".
Now, reading the opinions of this article of government people's opionions of the canidates make me wonder just how who's at the switch. If the percentage of samples presented is equal to all the opinions mailed in, well about half of the people have no idea what they are talking about. Or rather they believed what hype was put out instead of researching the issue.
Makes no differance who we are talking about as it is pretty much evenly split between them. My opinion is this, everyone in America needs to take a critical thinking course, but politicians would be against that because they would be unable to hoodwick the voters.
Re: Readers Opinions
Procurement Analyst Navy Mon Nov 3, 2008 9:15 AM
I couldn't agree more. In case folks aren't able to take a critical thinking course, they should at least read a very good book "Unspun: Finding facts in a world of disinformation" by Brooks Jackson & Kathleen Hall Jamieson.
Close Elections
HR Manager (Retired) DoD Fri Oct 31, 2008 11:44 AM
Election almost always get "close" as Election Day approaches so why should this one be any different. Poll numbers change often - on a recent road trip NPR had Obama leading by double digits in the morning and by mid afternoon McCain was within 2 pts - under the margin of error. Hopefully, McCain will win thus ending my two election streak of backing the loser. But if he does not all I can say is we survived 8 years of Bush we can survive 4 years of Obama.
Union Political Contributions
Retired Department of the Air Force Fri Oct 31, 2008 11:59 AM
I believe that union members should be allowed to submit a preference as to which political party their union supports. For example: if 50% of the union members support the Democrat Party then only 50% of the contributions that union makes should go to the Democrat Party...not 100%. It is not necessarily the local federal employees unions that make the decisions about where the contributions go. Many times it's the affiliation, such as the AFL-CIO that makes the decision. And, it's a given that they support the Democrat Party to the fullest extent possible.
Re: Union Political Contributions
accountant, retired DOE Fri Oct 31, 2008 12:22 PM
I agree as long as share holders in companys can do the same
Re: Union Political Contributions
Vet NAVY Mon Nov 3, 2008 9:44 AM
I was a Local President for ten years and I can verify that if you are not Democrat you are excluded as part of the Union. My Local was conservative before I took office and continues to be eight years later after I left office. The National ignored the Local in all aspects except dues and membership. We as well as other locals tried and are still trying to get a voice for membership in elections. I doubt it will ever happen, TOO MUCH CORRUPTION.
Re: Union Political Contributions
accountant, retired DOE, Albuquerque Mon Nov 3, 2008 2:28 PM
One last note. Why would a union give contributions to the republican party since the have universally opposed labor organizing since 1872? Management in any organizations is there to make decisions just like a company. Your proposal would do nothing but weaken labor. BUT THAT's your intent, isn't it?
Biased Viewpoints in Your Articles
Revenue agent-Team Coordinator Large Case Auditt U.S. Treasury - IRS Fri Oct 31, 2008 12:33 PM
Talk about bias, you earlier had a headline that stated that there were surprising results in the first survey – McCain was preferred over Obama.
Why were the results surprising? Because they did not fall in line with the liberal leaning Unions?
Federal employees are not sheep and most are intelligent individuals who can think for themselves, and do so quite often.
Now you do not state that McCain (51%) had a lead over Obama (46%) in the latest and last poll survey or that McCain was favored/won the latest survey. Instead you state that it is very close. I wonder if you would have used the same terminology if Obama had won the last poll survey.
You certainly did not use similar terminolgy in your second article regarding the second survey poll.
Your bias speaks volumes.
Re: Biased Viewpoints in Your Articles
manager dod agency Fri Oct 31, 2008 3:18 PM
As I recall, in the last poll there were comments claiming "bias" because of the placement of pro-McCain comments. There were also complaints of "bias" because of a headline that said that McCain "trounced" Obama in an earlier poll because of a 15-point lead at that time.
Now, someone is claiming "your bias speaks volumes" because the headline did not trumpet that McCain was 5 points ahead of Obama.
I guess that is two claims of bias because of earlier articles, where various readers thought the site favored Obama, to one claim of bias by the site where a reader thought the site favored McCain.
Perhaps this latest complainer should read the article. The complainer states that "Federal employees are not sheep and most are intelligent individuals who can think for themselves, and do so quite often." In fact, the article states "Federal employees are independent-minded people, who keep up with politics, and many are not swayed in their vote by the political preference of a union that r
Re: Biased Viewpoints in Your Articles
lr specialist Defense Fri Oct 31, 2008 3:29 PM
The articles have seemed pretty straight-forward and reflected the views of a diverse audience. It seems to me that those complaining are reflecting their own bias. I would not expect this site (and I read it most days) to post an article (such as we see with the Associated Press or the Washington Post) that completely embraces one candidate as some readers apparently think should be done.
Kudos to the editor/writer whatever for giving us a straight-forward article on the election, despite the obvious emotion that seems to be propelling both sides.
Election Poll
Retired USDA-FSIS Fri Oct 31, 2008 1:15 PM
Obama-41%; McCain-51%!! Have we learned NOTHING
since 2004?? Are we this stupid or just this prejudiced?
Are Federal Employees and retirees just as dumb as the general public and the comedians joke about? Think! This is a worn out, out-of-touch old, old man still fighting a worn out, and lost, war! He has traded his former honor and glory for the lowest of Rovian low roads and offers us a Bush garbage bundle tied with a new ribbon!
Socialism? America has ALWAYS needed a little socialisnm to save us from the excesses of capitalism! We always will!
God Save America!
Re: Election Poll
Worker DoD Mon Nov 3, 2008 7:50 AM
Socialism? God save us from people like you!
Obama's anti-Chrisitan remarks
Retired Department Of Defense Fri Oct 31, 2008 1:48 PM
If I hadn't been convinced already, the following link showed me way more than enough about Obama to realize I didn't want him in the White House. To arrogantly and pompously mock the Bible (and therefore, God as well) as he does in this video, tells me that if we elect him, we would be inviting disaster. I don't believe that God would tolerate a nation which elected someone who openly and blatantly makes fun of Him. Check the video: ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnmS_vULPxw
Is The Presidential Election Close?
Contract Specialist USDA Fri Oct 31, 2008 2:35 PM
I rather enjoyed reading this article, but let's be frank here. As Americans we all know (as much as we HATE to admit it) why people are coming up with mediocre excuses as to why Obama isn't the best candidate for president. Excuses like: he lacks experience; he's going to raise taxes; his ideas regarding healthcare are flawed; he's not a Christian, but instead Muslim; he's just a smooth talker; he's a socialist; he isn’t "maverick" enough; he's never been in "Joe the Plumber's" shoes (which I'm completely SICK of hearing folks!); and the list goes on. Let's face it. This country (made up of approximately 80% White, 15% Hispanic, 13% Black, 5% Asian, 1% Native American & Alaskan, and 2% Other) isn't ready for a black, African American, or whatever is politically correct, president AND IT SICKENS ME! For those of you who truly believe Obama isn’t ready, that’s fine. But for those who are purely racist, how dare you call yourselves Americans. This country was founded on the sweat, blood, tears, and lives of all races, men, women, and children. You dishonor the integrity of this country and what it stands for. By the way . . . I’m third generation Dutch-American.
Re: Is The Presidential Election Close?
Vet NAVY Mon Nov 3, 2008 9:58 AM
This country (made up of approximately 80% White, 15% Hispanic, 13% Black, 5% Asian, 1% Native American & Alaskan, and 2% Other)
I don't know where you live, but in my state White is only around 46%, Hispanic (are partially White by the way) is 48%, then add in the others. NO ONE should ever put another name in front of American, by the Africa is a Continent made up of various peoples whith various shade of color. Obama is a mix of Black & White. He is an American. When people put someting in front of American, that means their alligence is not to America first. When people become American citizens they take an oath to put America first.
Close Election
Medical Specialist Department of the Air Force Fri Oct 31, 2008 3:16 PM
There is no doubt that this election will be frought with fraud in Ohio voting and other places but the bottom line is that if the American people elect Sen. McCain and Gov. Palin they will be getting two people in the leadership roles who are telling the american people like it is and both have worked hard for many years for the "People they represent". They have both worked hard to improve the lives of the people of their states and want to do the same for the UNITED STATES of AMERICA. We take a lot for granted everyday and a lot of people are lazy and want a handout. We know were Senator McCain comes from and Governor Palin support the troops fully because members of their families are directly in the fight. Sen. Obama has not sacrificed any and he didn't even visit the more serious injured troops at all when he did his "tour of Iraq". Obama sits as chairman of a senate subcommittee on Afgahistan and has never called a meeting. Busy Campaigning. Not a Leadership guy to me.
Re: Close Election
Analyst DOD Mon Nov 3, 2008 3:21 PM
Med Specialist. Obama didn't take cameras when he DID visit wounded troops.
What has he DONE?
Programmer TSO Fri Oct 31, 2008 4:33 PM
Obama can make all the campaign promises in the world, but it's just so much talk. We all know that campaign promises have been routinely broken for years. That's politics.
Where the rubber meets the road, what has he ever actually DONE?
thank again
ATCS DOT Fri Oct 31, 2008 4:33 PM
Thanks for your article, as usual you managed to capture the essence of one sided-ness, without really stepping outside of the box of the ethical. The real dilemma seems to be, how you can continue to slant the news with your own brand of yellow.
With the purchase of this election to be determine in Ohio, the real story is how are they going to steal this one?
With the US AG under orders from bush to proceed directly to Ohio and get to work on all those registered voters, "see how many you can disqualify".
Not to worry about Florida, its in the bag so to speak, so with those two biggies under control it doesn't even matter what McBushs numbers are, the games is a done deal/.
Re: thank again
hr usda Fri Oct 31, 2008 4:58 PM
So here we go again. Apparently, on this one article we have one person whining that the article is one-sided because it is against McCain and another person whining because the article is against Obama. Same article, same results but two people undoubtedly voting for different candidates.
I wonder if anyone actually reads these articles or just the first paragraph and the headline before reaching their own conclusions.
Anyway, I appreciate the company that provides this free site for those of us working for the government--too bad so many of my colleagues feel the need to complain about it without, apparently, ever considering the possibility the problem may be that they are used to reading one-sided commentary more to their liking and not willing to accept an article that is apparently quite neutral based on the comments from each side.
Re: thank again
IT Spec TSO Fri Oct 31, 2008 5:26 PM
hey ATCS, care to back up your partisan rant with anything credible?
only old baby boomers here
Tom HF Fri Oct 31, 2008 4:38 PM
This site is mostly frequented by white baby boomers, what else do you expect!
Re: only old baby boomers here
Programmer TSO Fri Oct 31, 2008 5:24 PM
Tom, don't bring race into this. We can do without that crap.
Realistically speaking
Assistant Property Manager GSA Fri Oct 31, 2008 5:20 PM
C'mon.... we know the majority of Fedsmith readers lean conservatively. I don't expect any differently. In fact, a lot of government workers are or lean to the conservative point of view.
Having said that, it's surprising that Obama has done as well in the Fedsmith polls as he has. However, Fedsmith is not representative of the entire voting citizenship. I would hazard to say that this country is pretty well mixed with a majority falling squarely in the middle.
Obama leads in the polls outside of the govt because he is more centrist ... at lease more of a centrist than Palin and a bit more than McCain (who used to be much closer to the center).
People point to Obama's short time in Govt service in defense of the same comment being made of Palin but the difference here is Barack's clearly the more analytical of the two and the more likely to weigh all sides before making decisions.
Joe Biden brings a wealth of foriegn relations experience and will make their admin strong.
Re: Realistically speaking
IT Specialist DOD Sun Nov 2, 2008 6:00 PM
Joe Biden brings a wealth of experience in foreign relations of being wrong all the time. Not the kind of experience our country needs right now.
Re: Realistically speaking
Manager DOAA Sun Nov 2, 2008 7:20 PM
"Joe Biden brings a wealth of experience in foreign relations of being wrong all the time."
and he wants to advise somebody with no foreign relations experience... sounds like a recipe for disaster!
election
retired faa Fri Oct 31, 2008 6:51 PM
I retired from the FAA after watching my agency returning to the "bad old days" of the 80's. Politicians who don't beieve in government shouldn't be running it - that's why we saw the FEMA/Katrina disaster. It amazes me to this day that words like "socialism" still set some people off. Get a grip! We just bailed out every rich, corporate and Wall St. type. As we do every day by ridding the Government of it's right of oversight and let everyone run wild. Just as the FAA thought that getting in bed with the airlines was better than regulating them. What do you call that? And yet social security and education and health care is socialism? Our country is 186th in the world at family care leave and legislation. And we wonder why no one except 3rd world countries want to come here? Smarten up America. Vote for your own best interests - not Enron or AIG.
Re: election
Comp Specialist Treas Mon Nov 3, 2008 4:25 PM
Thank you. It seems to me that some are quick to march in step with the 'govt is bad/deregulation is good' mantra - but where do they think our high quality building and industry standards and safety regulations came from? Fell out of the sky?? Don't they get onto elevators, and assume they are safe? Get into a pile of metal that's a car, park in tiered parking, drive over bridges, zoom thru intersections with green lights? Or let their kids play with toys, or eat foods, take medicines, that were purchased - not made or grown in their own home? IF they do these things in their every day lives without a 2nd thought, then they have "regulations" to thank. I thank them. They keep my family safe. Imagine the chaos and dangers without them.
McCain's record on vets
HR Specialist DoD Fri Oct 31, 2008 8:53 PM
To all those people that state "McCain respects the military.."
Yes,, he wore a uniform but spend five minutes reading his voting record on veterans bills. He clearly does not vote for veterans. The major vet groups have scored him poorly.
It a shame, he points to his military service and his care for the vets but his record is to the contrary. He couldn't even bring himself to vote for the G.I. bill this year.
Re: McCain's record on vets
Worker DoD Mon Nov 3, 2008 7:52 AM
Perhaps if the bills were about veterans instead of veterans combined with 20 thousand other pork-barrel issues, the voting record would be different. Of course, most in Congress can't give up a day at the trough.
Presidential Election
Systems Analyst Retired Fri Oct 31, 2008 11:52 PM
I'm not convinced that either McCain or Obama would not be prone to see issues and especially international affairs issues in simple good-bad, strong-weak, etc. terms.
But I would not vote for anyone who would continue George W. Bush's policies.
Absentee Ballot
CAS DLA Sat Nov 1, 2008 4:22 AM
I am deployed to Tikrit, Iraq. I requested an absentee ballot on 28Aug08. I called about the ballot on or about 14OCT08 and was told it was mailed to me on 29th or 30th of SEPT08. I have not received my ballot. I cast my first ballot in 1972 while in Boot Camp in the Marine Corps by absentee ballot. I have not missed voting in an election since then. I do not want to miss out on voting in this election. I am very disappointed in the Athens County OHIO Board of Elections in not ensuring I have received my absentee ballot.
Is anybody listening
USPS Retired Sat Nov 1, 2008 8:33 AM
McBush is going to cut taxes but tax your health benefits. Give a 5,000 dollar tax credit to buy a health plan. What planet can you buy a health plan for a family of 4 for 5,000 dollars.EXXON made 15 billion dollars in the last quarter they really need a McBush tax cut.When was the last time McBush said the words MIDDLE CLASS in one of his speeches.Guys take the wax out of your ears.If it was up to McCain the entire goverment would be privatized.
Re: Is anybody listening
admin asst doe Sat Nov 1, 2008 10:12 AM
McCain is not Bush. McCain disagrees with Bush on major issues and has for a long time. Wake up and look beyond the partisan talking points, they're not the same and never have been.
Re: Is anybody listening
Worker DoD Mon Nov 3, 2008 7:55 AM
McBush? Is that like saying Obama Sama Bin Biden? Name calling is sort of childish, wouldn't you think? Do you think the degrading terms are okay?
Obama: Our next President
Retired government employee Treasury Dept. Sat Nov 1, 2008 12:20 PM
No matter what Federal employees say about Obama or who they will vote for will not change the outcome of the election. Obama will win. McCain will probably retire and enjoy his final years living off his wife millions of dollars.
Ok, I admit some tomfoolery here...
Technical Editor TACOM Sat Nov 1, 2008 1:07 PM
I apologize. I went and messed with this survey as part of a "call to action" that was expressed by a caller on a Talk Show I listen to... (basically the caller was saying that we can't trust polls or surveys so we may as well not bother to answer them truthfully in order to give the media a false impression of whose winning.)
So just for fun I lied and said I was voting for Barack Obama.
So the survey should read 1607 votes for Barack,
and 1805 for John McCain.
Sorry, was just having some poor taste, fun to see if my response would artificially give Barack the edge.
checks & balances
Clerk DOI Sat Nov 1, 2008 5:06 PM
In all likelihood, the Democrats will retain control of Capitol Hill. Do we also want them controlling the White House, &, by virtue of appointees, the Judicial System? We find it intolerable when other countries are governed by a single party. I'm leaning toward the McCain/Palin ticket simply because I believe it would be a mistake to have a single party controlling all 3 branches of OUR government.
Re: checks & balances
Manager NIH Mon Nov 3, 2008 9:09 AM
Isn't it amazing how the same people who voted straight party for Bush and Republicans, controlling the executive and Congress from 2001-2006, are now scared of a one party government? You are being hypocritical.
Re: checks & balances
Clerk DOI Mon Nov 3, 2008 1:07 PM
Isn't it amazing how some people can "assume" they know the voting habits of others whom they have never met?!
Let's not bandy about terms like "hypocritical" without proof, shall we?!
Nope! Yep!
Union Steward DOD Sun Nov 2, 2008 9:05 AM
There is certainly a tug-of-war within our election this year at every level. My union backs Obama. McCain backs the military. My family is 2 generations union and 3 generations military. My family is 3 generations Democrat and 2 generations Republican. I will not vote for socialism or surrendering to the terrorists. I will vote for McCain/Palin. And I will pray to my Father in heaven for my country, my President, and for all soldiers, sailors, marines, and guardsmen who defend my country with their lives every day.
Election
Training Specialist DOD Mon Nov 3, 2008 7:32 AM
I read in horrific disbelief why there are so many people who believe that Senator O'Bama is the best choice for the President of the USA. No, Senator McCain may not be the best choice, but at least he is in favor of the many things O'Bama is against. O'Bama is Pro Abortion, Anti-Gun, Anti-Israel, Pro Redistribution of the monies that you earn to give to others that do not want to work. He has hidden the facts regarding his affiliations with some questionable people. His Birth Certificate has been sealed by the governor of Hawaii, "What are they trying to hide?" Some question the experience of Gov. Sarah Palin-What expereince does O'Bama have? Gov Palin is the commander in chief of the Alaska National Guard and as such has had to deal with Russia and Canada as neighboring countires. O'Bama has NONE!
No, Sen McCain may not be the best choice, but it sure beats the heck out of our country being turned into a Socialist country and that is what "change" you are going to get with O'Bama.
re-distributing the wealth
Forester USDA Forest Service Mon Nov 3, 2008 8:23 AM
I have listened to John McCain talk about how Obama wants to re-distribute the wealth as a negative. What he never mentions is the fact that the Bush administration through its fiscal policies has instituted the largest shift of wealth to the top 5% of the population. Never has there been such a concentration of wealth in such a small percentage of the population since 1929. Since most government employees don't fall in the top 5% of the wealthiest Americans, I don't understand our opposition to Obama's desire to help the middle class by lowering taxes on anyone making less than $250,000. I don't know about others, but I don't earn anywhere near a quarter of a million dollars a year.
Re: re-distributing the wealth
Manager Forest Service Mon Nov 3, 2008 5:50 PM
Amen!
Let history guide your decision
Civilian Pay Tech GSA Mon Nov 3, 2008 8:37 AM
Review these time periods: 1924 to 1932; 1980 to 1988 and 2000 to 2008. In each time period the DOW fell by more than 20%. After each period a Democratic President came in to clean up a mess left by ideologues guised as prophets of an erroneous economic theory, i.e., trickle-down. Get a clue and vote for change--we have a great deal of work to do in reining in the hogs of Wall Street. Hello, the Dems are here to help you--just accept it and you can again take a harvest of our hard earned cash in 8 years or so.
Re: Let history guide your decision
IT Specialist DOD Mon Nov 3, 2008 10:09 AM
You left out Clinton's recession and Bush cleaned it up and you left out the Carter years that Reagon cleaned up. This latest financial mess can be laid at Congresses feet because the crisis was socially engineered by forcing mortgage loans to risky people. Bush didn't cause this. He asked Congress to clean it up and they didn't. Instead Congress bailed themselves out with 750Billion of our money.
Our nation's demise from within
Financial Analyst CMS Mon Nov 3, 2008 8:58 AM
I used to think pure socialism was the best form of gov't. However, I was only 16 and now know that it is not some thirty plus years later. Socialism kills any willingness to work hard just to "redistribute" to those who don't want to. As in history, great nations fall from within and electiing leaders who have socialism as a platform is a signal for the falling of our nation away from democracy. Therefore, it leads me to believe and vote for the lesser of two evils in hopes of preserving our nation and what we have stood for.
Taxes
Manager Forest Service Mon Nov 3, 2008 9:10 AM
Hello!! Is anyone listening? If McCain wins and his health care plan goes through, YOU will see an immediate tax increase. Our health benefits equal approximately $12,000. YOU will be taxed on $12,000 additional dollars. Your taxes will go up $2400 - $3600 right out of the gate. This is not a tax on the wealthy, this is a tax on all of the rest of us.
gobama!
Analyst DOI Mon Nov 3, 2008 10:16 AM
hmmm. i posted a pro-obama comment last week, and it was never posted to this site.
The Obama-Pelosi-Reed trifecta will plunge this country into ruin quicker than anyone can imagine. The things that have made this country great are not it's "purple mountains majesty". Fidel Castro also brought change to his country. That is the kind of change they will foist upon this once great nation. If God does not bless America, America will not be blessed. There are no second choices to that. The principles that have held this country together and the direct blessings by God can be abandoned to our great loss and detriment.
DOD Worker
USPS Retired Mon Nov 3, 2008 12:34 PM
If name calling is degrading what is paying tax on your health benefits.I bet you believe he can also balance the budget in 4 years.Didn't McCain say he is not to versed in economics or was that George Bush I forget.
Election Choices
Supervisor Defense Dept Mon Nov 3, 2008 3:46 PM
I find it amazing that this election, which seems to so polarize Americans is about to "Change" America from one of and for the people to one of"we know what you need" socialism. The ties of the left to those folks in the Middle East will deliver to our emnemies what many generations fought to prevent. Look to Europe for what we will soon become and if you like socialism, then creeping marxism is close behind. What a shame that a big talker without any standing outside of ACORN and Chicago Politics will lead us down the path to ruin. Robin Hood is a fable and succh policies are built upon dreams not reality.
Re: Election Choices
IT Specialist DOD Tue Nov 4, 2008 11:51 AM
At least Robin Hood stole from the Government to give to the people. Obama is going to steal from the people to give to the Government.
Who is it going to be?
Civil Servant VA Mon Nov 3, 2008 4:11 PM
I've always been a democrat and voted for the democratic party every election until now...between Hillary and Barack, all I heard is everything will be "free" like socialized medicine, you name it. Then I turned to McCain hoping for the best and he brought in Palin. What was McCain thinking? Tomorrow is the big election day and I'm still undecided and rather upset we're stuck with these candidates.
God help us all.
Vanity vs Wisdom
Comp Specialist Treas Mon Nov 3, 2008 4:42 PM
I feel like McCain selected a running mate, just to win an election. He's pandering to the base of his own party, that he brags about fighting against. If he can't even get along with his own party, how difficult will his job be to get anything done? There is NO substance in anything Gov Palin says - she's more like a cheerleader. She proved that to me when I personally heard her mock fruit fly research - turns out, this is a standard method used by scientists, in all kinds of research - some of which has touched our lives, no doubt, but she still hammered away at it being a "waste".
I'm not happy with our choices, either, but I at least feel like Obama selected a running mate to help him run the federal govt of a country. He's looking beyond just the election, and has more wisdom than vanity. McCain comes across to me as vain and dismissive, or like he feels entitled to win this time - he's tried several times now. He's had his chance - let someone new take the wheel.
I still wanna know..
Analyst dod Mon Nov 3, 2008 5:44 PM
We all know Obama is good at making campaign promises but we all know what happens to those promises once they get in office.
Talk is cheap, what's Obama ever actually DONE?
Transformation
Consumer Safety Inspector USDA Tue Nov 4, 2008 3:05 AM
Obama has promised a transformation of the United States in one of his recent speeches. When one studies history, one can find nations that had a total transformation. We have Russia revolution which led to tens of millions slaughtered and starved, we have Hitler who started a world war and slaughtered millions in concentration camps, we have Mao, who slaughtered millions in China, we have Castro in Cuba who has executed thousands and has rations on consumer goods including food.
Obama has very questionable associates some of who "transform" the USA into the United Socialist States of America. This is the most important election in my lifetime and I fear if Obama wins our country will slide down the slippery slope to communism. Obama will bring transformation and our country will never be the same again. From disarmament, to a "civilian security force funded at the same rate as our military, his promised bankrupting the coal industry and "spreading the wealth" at his whim and others.
Wasn't Even Close
Contract Specialist DOD Wed Nov 5, 2008 8:51 AM
Not sure where this information came from. But the election wasn't even close.
election
range technician USDA Forest Service Wed Nov 5, 2008 9:58 AM
The race was not even close. How did the pollsters miss the mark by such a margin. I have little respect or trust of polls. However, I believe it helped more people get out and cast a ballot.
Discrepancy
ACO DCMA Wed Nov 5, 2008 3:53 PM
Since the survey result from the FedSmith respondents was so different than the election result, wouldn't it make sense to ask why? Is the general federal workforce out of touch with the concerns of the general public? Are we, as an institution, more conservative or more Republican than the American electorate as a whole? Is so, some soul-searching may be in order.
Re: Discrepancy
editor FedSmith.com Wed Nov 5, 2008 5:06 PM
As noted in the article, the federal workforce is older (more mature, if you prefer) and does not include groups such as college students who tended to vote for the Democratic candidate according to some polls. Also, we have a number of readers from the Department of Defense. Based on past experience with administrations, there is a chance that funding for DoD will be cut and that could also make a difference. As the votes are all anonymous, we will never know with certainty but these are possible reasons for the difference in this particular election.
Re: Discrepancy
ACO DCMA Wed Nov 5, 2008 5:49 PM
So, Editor - you're saying non-federal workers are less mature than the Feds? As someone involved in DoD procurement, I don't think DoD personnel are any more in the tank for the Republicans than employees in domestic agencies, at least not this year. I think there was some wishful thinking involved on your part, especially there at the end.
Re: Discrepancy
editor FedSmith.com Wed Nov 5, 2008 6:00 PM
As explained in the article, the average federal worker is older (i.e. more mature) than the average American voter as OPM is predicting a "retirement tsunami" because there are so many federal employees at or close to retirement age.
Re: Discrepancy
NWA NCA Fri Nov 7, 2008 6:19 PM
Setting aside the issue of whether we feds are more "mature" (a subjective judgment) or just "older" (an objective reality), it's interesting that this survey varied so dramatically from the actual election results. It may be that this was simply an unusual election, with a lot of unique circumstances - or it may be that the readership of FedSmith, at least that part that responds to surveys & contributes posts, reflects an out-of-touch characteristic that is troubling. Perhaps the government hasn't done an adequate enough job of attracting young people & others who may have been more reflective of the voting population.
Re: Discrepancy
Analyst dod Sat Nov 8, 2008 9:39 AM
NWA makes an interesting point. This election was unusual in that young people (who by definition have less exposure to real life experiences) comprised a much larger than usual proportion of the voting public.
Also, a great many people voted on emotion this time as opposed to thoughtful consideration. This is obvious when you consider that the reasons many people give for casting their ballot the way they did aren't grounded in any kind of real factual information but instead were based on style, flash and the 30 second TV sound byte.
Re: Discrepancy
Retired Home for the holidays Fri Nov 14, 2008 6:00 PM
Analyst, nice try but your attempt to spin doesn't cut it. A great many people across generational lines voted to throw the Republican bums out. They were fed up with the lies & arrogance of the Bush administration; they did not need "style, flash & a 30-second bite" (which all candidates engage in). Face it, you were on the losing side this election.
Re: Discrepancy
Analyst dod Sat Nov 15, 2008 5:46 PM
uhh Retired, the youth movement in voting was more of an issue this election than in the past. Calling that fact to your attention isn't spinning. All politicians who are in power for an extended length of time are accused of arrogance and lying, your attempt to portray that as a strictly republican tendency is the real spin here.
Re: Discrepancy
Retired Home for the Holidays Mon Nov 17, 2008 3:42 PM
DoD analyst, your partisan attempt at denial is breathtaking. You must have been asleep mentally for the past 8 years. Consider the numerous Republicans & self-professed conservatives who voted for Obama, or more likely were persuaded to vote against McCain & the GOP due, let's face it, to the over-the-top arrogance of Bush, his administration & the GOP-controlled Congress during the first 6 years of the Bush presidency. Their misdeeds WERE more than just the general degree of "arrogance" to which politicians can usually be accused. Are you sure you're not working for FedSmith in some capacity?
Re: Discrepancy
Analyst dod Mon Nov 17, 2008 6:12 PM
There you go again Retired.
I say the problem is on both sides, you tell us it's only the problem of one party and you call me partisan? Get serious.
The rest of your insults are entertaining but are of no real value in this discussion.
Re: Discrepancy
Retired Home for the Holidays Tue Nov 18, 2008 3:44 PM
Still lame, analyst. The GOP had all the advantages of an 8-year presidency & majority in the House & Senate for 12 years & still blew it. Now that young people have voted in higher numbers than in the past, it's not a good idea to take that vote for granted or assume that they'll not continue to vote in substantial numbers. You can rationalize all you want that they're not as intelligent as voters as you are, but the fact is that they're here, they will remain here and your party needs to get used to it.
Re: Discrepancy
Analyst dod Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:52 PM
"You can rationalize all you want that they're not as intelligent as voters as you are"
Speaking of lame, why don't you tell us just where I said the voters weren't as intelligent as voters like me, or anybody else. Criticism is good but if you're going to criticize somebody I suggest you criticize them for something they actually said.
Just how did the GOP blow it? That assertion is so general it means nothing unless you tell us what you mean.
Excellent Article
Retired Program Manager HQ U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, Civil Works Mon Nov 10, 2008 9:10 AM
I found the article to be very informative. It clearly shows the great diversity of opinions in the Federal workforce. It also shows that many of them are out of touch with the impact of younger voters and Obama's ability to energize them. I wonder if those who voted for Senator McCain considered what has happened to their retirement accounts under President Bush's administration. I think it was clear that McCain planned to continue his failed economic policies.
Re: Excellent Article
Analyst dod Mon Nov 10, 2008 9:35 PM
Retired Program Manager - you're wrong in your placement of blame for the nosedive in retirement accounts. The mortgage meltdown is what led to this dive in the markets.
The mortgage meltdown was a result of government interference in the mortage industry, particularly in the 1990s when the industry was under political pressure under the Clinton administration to make mortgage loans to people who wouldn't normally qualify for them. When President Bush took office his administration repeatedly warned congress that this situation was spinning out of control and needed oversight and control. Congress did not act despite these repeated warnings and therefore we're in this situation. If you're going to point the finger for this situation you need to point it at those responsible for creating it, not at those who tried to warn us it was coming.
Buying the Election
Employee Development Specialist U.S. Air Force Wed Nov 12, 2008 4:25 PM
Yes, Obama bought the election with the help of Fannie Mae, and Freddy Mac contributions, along with AIG contributions to his campaign.
Now watch what he does with money for them. Also watch the other Democrats that received large contributions from them, such as Christopher Dodds, Barney Frank and the like.
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Re: Buying the Election
NWA NCA Fri Nov 14, 2008 6:05 PM
Do I detect some sour grapes, ED Specialist? Why don't you explain away Bush's bailout? If you're going to criticize politicians, you can at least learn their actual names, i.e. Dodd (not Dodds).
Next January
Federal Agency
Fri Oct 31, 2008 9:02 AM
Whoever wins next week needs to remember this survey. For too long the political appointees of both parties have assumed that civil servants are one big monolith of nothing but democrats. The Schedule C's need to remember that people of all stripes have come to work in the civil service to provide the best government to all the citizens of this country. Republicans shouldn't assume that we will fight any action that they propose, and Democrats can't assume that we will support just any expansion of a government program they propose.
Re: Next January
GSA
Fri Oct 31, 2008 9:52 AM
Please explain why you think you or me or any of us can control a (if Obama wins) fillabuster proof regime?
Survey says! Wrong
GSA
Fri Oct 31, 2008 9:12 AM
Incorrect sampling is no doubt the problem with your survey but of course there is no way to account for that with a voluntary survey. Moreover, I've noticed through service in 4 federal agencies that Republicans are very well represented in government employee and indeed may comprise a plurality. I would be one too but, in truth, my Christian upbringing, Catholic school, taught me well that, basically, the GOP message is at odds with
the teachings of Jesus Christ, i.e., love thy neighbor" and "do unto others as you would have... etc" GOP philosophy is "devil take the hindmost."
Re: Survey says! Wrong
GSA
Fri Oct 31, 2008 10:26 AM
My upbringing was also Catholic and I was never taught that I could "judge" anyone's beliefs - regardless of their race, color or creed. That priviledge belongs to God alone!
Thank you.
Re: Survey says! Wrong
NAVY
Fri Oct 31, 2008 10:41 AM
Re: Survey says! Wrong
Retired
Fri Oct 31, 2008 5:10 PM
Re: Survey says! Wrong
Dod
Sat Nov 1, 2008 11:06 AM
Re: Survey says! Wrong
TACOM
Sat Nov 1, 2008 1:25 PM
Difference is that extremists whether religious or not, don't represent their relgion or anyone but themselves.
Christians have spoke out against abortion clinic bombings. The whole purpose of being against abortion is to be FOR the sanctity of Human Life and that is a well known belief that obviously doesn't dove tail with abortion clinic bombings or any bombings.
There's no moral equivalency with Christianity and Islamic extremists when there are overwhelmingly a larger amount of extremist islamics with C.A.I.R. organization refusing to acknowledge what a terrorist organization is (Hamas, Hezzbollah).
Plus there are countless public schools throughout the world telling their students that killing innocent people because they are JEWS is perfectly ok. I don't know any public Christian school in America telling students that bombing clincis is ok.
Re: Survey says! Wrong
Retired
Sat Nov 1, 2008 9:14 PM
Re: Survey says! Wrong
DoD
Mon Nov 3, 2008 9:41 AM
Thank you Fed Smith
GSA
Fri Oct 31, 2008 9:18 AM
Thank you Fed Smith for this open and honest report! I appreciate the time spent to provide an open forum for Feds to express their opinions and the results of your survey aren't tainted one way or the other! One question has plagued me throughout this campaigning season - here it is: "If Obama were applying for a Regular Federal Job - how could he pass the DHS Security investigation with all of his past or present associations?" How did he become a US Senator? How could he run for the Presidency with all that is secretive about his background and associations? I don't know who or what he is -- except a smooth talker.
Who am I voting for
Farm Service Agency
Fri Oct 31, 2008 9:22 AM
I am voting AGAINST Obama.
Re: Who am I voting for
OPM
Fri Oct 31, 2008 10:13 AM
Re: Who am I voting for
TSO
Fri Oct 31, 2008 5:29 PM
Re: Who am I voting for
DOD
Fri Oct 31, 2008 8:15 PM
Presidential Election
USAF
Fri Oct 31, 2008 9:27 AM
How is Obama good for this Country? He is going to tax the upper 5% to pay for the majority of America--Right!! Did you look at his plan to take our federal Retirement and place it in Social Security so we can draw "one" check--Not two with the "guarantee" we will receive 3% on our Money. It is also Very odvious that we have many "Sexist" in the Government--Reagan, Bush, Clinton were ALL Governors--so what is wrong with a Woman Governor--look at her aprpoval rating and record--No it is evident where many Men in Government stand. Shame on you!!
the future President...John McCain
IRS
Fri Oct 31, 2008 9:36 AM
I am so sick of voters who are constantly stating Mr. McCain is "old" and could die in office - don't they realize that anyone could die at anytime. When your time is up - it is up.
Re: the future President...John McCain
VA
Fri Oct 31, 2008 11:00 AM
Re: the future President...John McCain
nasa
Fri Oct 31, 2008 12:19 PM
John McCain/Sarah Palin
USPHS
Fri Oct 31, 2008 9:39 AM
Come on!!!! We want a WIN on Tuesday!!!! And, we are here to provide it!
Qualifications
RD
Fri Oct 31, 2008 9:49 AM
The thing that amazes me is all those that feel Obama is more qualified than Palin. First Palin is not running for Pesident, McCain is. At least she has had experience running a State Gov, that is more than you can say for Obama, he has never run any kind of gov office (yes he was a State Senator and a Senator from a State in which he voted present more times than yes or no, so he has never run a gov office) . Second, we work hard for our money, why should I sit back and let him "spread it around" to all those that don't want to work hard, if this is not socialism then I don't know what is. Less face it Socialism has never worked anywhere. As for Biden, who knows what will come out of his mouth to anger our enemies.
Re: Qualifications
USDA
Fri Oct 31, 2008 1:18 PM
But, to say that just because a person lacks "experiance" does not mean they would not make a good president.
Take James Buchanan, he was a state representative from 1814-1816, a U.S. representative from 1821 to 1831. He was the Ambassador to Russia from 1832 to 1834, a U.S. Senator from 1834 to 1845, turned down an appointment to the U.S. Surpreme Court and was Ambassador to Great Britian from 1853 to 1856. When he was elected president, his term was so bad that his own party began an investigation of immpeachment for treason. He is consistantly ranked as the worst or second worse (A. Jackson and he swap) president of all time.
Now we take this next fellow, served as a state representative from 1834 to 1842, he was not re-elected. And 18 years later he runs for and gets elected as president. Ranked the greatest president ever-A. Lincoln.
Experiance? That does not hold water.
Re: Qualifications
DOE, Albuquerque
Fri Oct 31, 2008 2:48 PM
Re: Qualifications
DOD
Fri Oct 31, 2008 8:07 PM
Re: Qualifications
doe
Sat Nov 1, 2008 7:42 AM
Good point. Bush had higher grades than Kerry too.
Re: Qualifications
DoD
Mon Nov 3, 2008 7:47 AM
Since you didn't graduate from Harvard or some other Ivy League school, you are "mediocre" and an "intellectual light weight?" That's the problem with the Democratic Party; elitist attitudes and systematic degradation while stating they know whats best for everyone.
Re: Qualifications
DoD
Mon Nov 3, 2008 9:53 AM
No, but it is not unreasonable to expect the V-P candidate to formulate coherent sentences, such as inability to identify ANY newspapers or magazines she ever reads, or claiming foreign policy experience based on proximity to Russia.
I also expect my V-P candidate to be able to realize that she is being scammed by the "President of France" after a 7-minute conversation in which the "President" drops references to how "hot" his wife is in bed, uses a fake name for the Prime Minister of Canada (while Palin pretends to know him), and makes references to a documentary on herself by Hustler magazine. And she STILL didn't get it. Duh!
Re: Qualifications
Engineer (small fry in a large pond)
Mon Nov 3, 2008 11:13 AM
Re: Qualifications
Engineer (small fry in a large pond)
Mon Nov 3, 2008 11:15 AM
Presidential Election
Forest Service
Fri Oct 31, 2008 10:01 AM
Don't you realize that our current tax system already taxes the wealthy at a higher rate than the rest of us? Obama's plan only tweaks the system, it doesn't change the system. And there is nowhere in Obama's tax plan that proposes that ludicrous idea of abolishing 401(k)'s and replacing them with a mandatory 5% savings at 3% earnings. Those are ideas being thrown around by a handful of Democrats. It's NOT on the ballot or proposed by Obama. Get your facts straight before you vote.
Re: Presidential Election
DoN
Fri Oct 31, 2008 10:30 AM
I am voting for Obama and Biden because I personally believe that we need change and they uphold my values of equality and kindness to my fellow man. They are not “redistributing the wealth” they are letting me keep more of my hard earned money by paying less in taxes because I make less that $200,000 a year. Please open your eyes and see how you are being duped by slogans—don’t prove the old saying that “there’s a sucker born every minute.”
Re: Presidential Election
Navy
Fri Oct 31, 2008 10:49 AM
Re: Presidential Election
DOD
Fri Oct 31, 2008 1:55 PM
On Obama's leadership:
VA
Fri Oct 31, 2008 10:18 AM
I question Obama's assertion that he is a post-partisan, aisle-crossing consensus builder. Looking at his track record, he has never once co-sponsored legislation with a Republican, nor, I understand, has he ever once "crossed the aisle" and voted against his party's line. McCain has done both, numerous times.
I worry that in an Obama administration, the conservative half of America will be completely shut out of the process and their concerns disregarded entirely.
Re: On Obama's leadership:
Energy
Mon Nov 3, 2008 3:20 PM
Re: On Obama's leadership:
DOAA
Mon Nov 3, 2008 5:25 PM
In other words, we'll have the partisan domination of both that you abhor so vehemently.
Re: On Obama's leadership:
DoD
Thu Nov 6, 2008 11:17 AM
Re: On Obama's leadership:
dod
Thu Nov 6, 2008 5:47 PM
The mortgage meltdown was the catalyst for this current economic crisis. The root of this meltdown was government interference in the 90s that pressured financial institutions (fannie and freddie being the biggest players) to make mortgage loans to people who wouldn't qualify otherwise. Bush warned congress repeatedly during his term we had a crisis brewing. It was congress that failed to act on these warnings and therefore we are where we are now. Your ire should be towards those who failed to act despite being warned they needed to.
Voting is important
DoN
Fri Oct 31, 2008 10:24 AM
In reading the comments from federal employees in this survey and others, I guess I shouldn’t be surprised that my fellow workers are quoting sound bites and campaign commercials, snippets from whisper campaigns, fear-based rumors spread through e-mail and flyers, rumors and comments that have been debunked by fact-checking organizations but still believed by vulnerable people whose fears have been stoked by flames of bias, hate, and meanness. Our political process has turned into a publicity and marketing campaign—built on surveys, polling, branding, promotion, and the selection of words to be sold to each demographic group.
It is amazing that we approach this political season as if we are buying a presidential product that we think we can’t live without. We are not buying a product for consumption, we are selecting the leader of our country who will interact with other world leaders and bring a sense of stability and hope to all Americans.
Re: Voting is important
Navy
Fri Oct 31, 2008 11:55 AM
Mis-Information about Obama
DCMA
Fri Oct 31, 2008 10:26 AM
Obama has to constantly fight off ignorant mud-slinging.
1) Obama doesn't want to take away your guns. If he did, he wouldn't have been endorsed by the American Hunters and Shooters Association (AHSA)
2) Obama did not vote for partial birth abortions. He vote 'Present' on a very bad bill before the legislature that would have turned doctors into felons. Please research the use of 'present' as a strategy.
3) As for Obama ignoring the troops, it's another lie. Please go to http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/afghanistan.asp to see for yourself.
If you continue to base your beliefs in mis-truths, then you will never make in informed decision.
Re: Mis-Information about Obama
DOC
Fri Oct 31, 2008 11:01 AM
Re: Mis-Information about Obama
DCMA
Fri Oct 31, 2008 12:08 PM
Re: Mis-Information about Obama
DOD
Fri Oct 31, 2008 1:46 PM
Re: Mis-Information about Obama
DOI
Fri Oct 31, 2008 2:56 PM
Survey
Department of Labor
Fri Oct 31, 2008 10:50 AM
I don't think you can draw any conclusions from the latest survey or any of your previous surveys. The responses come from self-selected respondents. Perhaps, in the latest survey, McCain supporters were more motivated to respond. There is no way for you to tell.
bottom line
DOE
Fri Oct 31, 2008 10:59 AM
The bottom line is Obama is going to win. Self selecyed polls are not an accurate reflection of government workers opinion. Obama is winning all the blue states and Ohio,Virginia, North Carolina, Nevada, New Mexico, and Colorado. It is highly unlikley that McCain can win with less than 4 days to go.
Readers Opinions
USDA
Fri Oct 31, 2008 11:00 AM
The great thing about this country is the ability of its citizens to express their opionion. Now these opinions are important for people like me who enjoy listening to others try and convince me that "this is good" and "that is bad".
Now, reading the opinions of this article of government people's opionions of the canidates make me wonder just how who's at the switch. If the percentage of samples presented is equal to all the opinions mailed in, well about half of the people have no idea what they are talking about. Or rather they believed what hype was put out instead of researching the issue.
Makes no differance who we are talking about as it is pretty much evenly split between them. My opinion is this, everyone in America needs to take a critical thinking course, but politicians would be against that because they would be unable to hoodwick the voters.
Re: Readers Opinions
Navy
Mon Nov 3, 2008 9:15 AM
Close Elections
DoD
Fri Oct 31, 2008 11:44 AM
Election almost always get "close" as Election Day approaches so why should this one be any different. Poll numbers change often - on a recent road trip NPR had Obama leading by double digits in the morning and by mid afternoon McCain was within 2 pts - under the margin of error. Hopefully, McCain will win thus ending my two election streak of backing the loser. But if he does not all I can say is we survived 8 years of Bush we can survive 4 years of Obama.
Union Political Contributions
Department of the Air Force
Fri Oct 31, 2008 11:59 AM
I believe that union members should be allowed to submit a preference as to which political party their union supports. For example: if 50% of the union members support the Democrat Party then only 50% of the contributions that union makes should go to the Democrat Party...not 100%. It is not necessarily the local federal employees unions that make the decisions about where the contributions go. Many times it's the affiliation, such as the AFL-CIO that makes the decision. And, it's a given that they support the Democrat Party to the fullest extent possible.
Re: Union Political Contributions
DOE
Fri Oct 31, 2008 12:22 PM
Re: Union Political Contributions
NAVY
Mon Nov 3, 2008 9:44 AM
Re: Union Political Contributions
DOE, Albuquerque
Mon Nov 3, 2008 2:28 PM
Biased Viewpoints in Your Articles
U.S. Treasury - IRS
Fri Oct 31, 2008 12:33 PM
Talk about bias, you earlier had a headline that stated that there were surprising results in the first survey – McCain was preferred over Obama.
Why were the results surprising? Because they did not fall in line with the liberal leaning Unions?
Federal employees are not sheep and most are intelligent individuals who can think for themselves, and do so quite often.
Now you do not state that McCain (51%) had a lead over Obama (46%) in the latest and last poll survey or that McCain was favored/won the latest survey. Instead you state that it is very close. I wonder if you would have used the same terminology if Obama had won the last poll survey.
You certainly did not use similar terminolgy in your second article regarding the second survey poll.
Your bias speaks volumes.
Re: Biased Viewpoints in Your Articles
dod agency
Fri Oct 31, 2008 3:18 PM
Now, someone is claiming "your bias speaks volumes" because the headline did not trumpet that McCain was 5 points ahead of Obama.
I guess that is two claims of bias because of earlier articles, where various readers thought the site favored Obama, to one claim of bias by the site where a reader thought the site favored McCain.
Perhaps this latest complainer should read the article. The complainer states that "Federal employees are not sheep and most are intelligent individuals who can think for themselves, and do so quite often." In fact, the article states "Federal employees are independent-minded people, who keep up with politics, and many are not swayed in their vote by the political preference of a union that r
Re: Biased Viewpoints in Your Articles
Defense
Fri Oct 31, 2008 3:29 PM
Kudos to the editor/writer whatever for giving us a straight-forward article on the election, despite the obvious emotion that seems to be propelling both sides.
Election Poll
USDA-FSIS
Fri Oct 31, 2008 1:15 PM
Obama-41%; McCain-51%!! Have we learned NOTHING
since 2004?? Are we this stupid or just this prejudiced?
Are Federal Employees and retirees just as dumb as the general public and the comedians joke about? Think! This is a worn out, out-of-touch old, old man still fighting a worn out, and lost, war! He has traded his former honor and glory for the lowest of Rovian low roads and offers us a Bush garbage bundle tied with a new ribbon!
Socialism? America has ALWAYS needed a little socialisnm to save us from the excesses of capitalism! We always will!
God Save America!
Re: Election Poll
DoD
Mon Nov 3, 2008 7:50 AM
Obama's anti-Chrisitan remarks
Department Of Defense
Fri Oct 31, 2008 1:48 PM
If I hadn't been convinced already, the following link showed me way more than enough about Obama to realize I didn't want him in the White House. To arrogantly and pompously mock the Bible (and therefore, God as well) as he does in this video, tells me that if we elect him, we would be inviting disaster. I don't believe that God would tolerate a nation which elected someone who openly and blatantly makes fun of Him. Check the video: ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnmS_vULPxw
Is The Presidential Election Close?
USDA
Fri Oct 31, 2008 2:35 PM
I rather enjoyed reading this article, but let's be frank here. As Americans we all know (as much as we HATE to admit it) why people are coming up with mediocre excuses as to why Obama isn't the best candidate for president. Excuses like: he lacks experience; he's going to raise taxes; his ideas regarding healthcare are flawed; he's not a Christian, but instead Muslim; he's just a smooth talker; he's a socialist; he isn’t "maverick" enough; he's never been in "Joe the Plumber's" shoes (which I'm completely SICK of hearing folks!); and the list goes on. Let's face it. This country (made up of approximately 80% White, 15% Hispanic, 13% Black, 5% Asian, 1% Native American & Alaskan, and 2% Other) isn't ready for a black, African American, or whatever is politically correct, president AND IT SICKENS ME! For those of you who truly believe Obama isn’t ready, that’s fine. But for those who are purely racist, how dare you call yourselves Americans. This country was founded on the sweat, blood, tears, and lives of all races, men, women, and children. You dishonor the integrity of this country and what it stands for. By the way . . . I’m third generation Dutch-American.
Re: Is The Presidential Election Close?
NAVY
Mon Nov 3, 2008 9:58 AM
I don't know where you live, but in my state White is only around 46%, Hispanic (are partially White by the way) is 48%, then add in the others. NO ONE should ever put another name in front of American, by the Africa is a Continent made up of various peoples whith various shade of color. Obama is a mix of Black & White. He is an American. When people put someting in front of American, that means their alligence is not to America first. When people become American citizens they take an oath to put America first.
Close Election
Department of the Air Force
Fri Oct 31, 2008 3:16 PM
There is no doubt that this election will be frought with fraud in Ohio voting and other places but the bottom line is that if the American people elect Sen. McCain and Gov. Palin they will be getting two people in the leadership roles who are telling the american people like it is and both have worked hard for many years for the "People they represent". They have both worked hard to improve the lives of the people of their states and want to do the same for the UNITED STATES of AMERICA. We take a lot for granted everyday and a lot of people are lazy and want a handout. We know were Senator McCain comes from and Governor Palin support the troops fully because members of their families are directly in the fight. Sen. Obama has not sacrificed any and he didn't even visit the more serious injured troops at all when he did his "tour of Iraq". Obama sits as chairman of a senate subcommittee on Afgahistan and has never called a meeting. Busy Campaigning. Not a Leadership guy to me.
Re: Close Election
DOD
Mon Nov 3, 2008 3:21 PM
What has he DONE?
TSO
Fri Oct 31, 2008 4:33 PM
Obama can make all the campaign promises in the world, but it's just so much talk. We all know that campaign promises have been routinely broken for years. That's politics.
Where the rubber meets the road, what has he ever actually DONE?
thank again
DOT
Fri Oct 31, 2008 4:33 PM
Thanks for your article, as usual you managed to capture the essence of one sided-ness, without really stepping outside of the box of the ethical. The real dilemma seems to be, how you can continue to slant the news with your own brand of yellow.
With the purchase of this election to be determine in Ohio, the real story is how are they going to steal this one?
With the US AG under orders from bush to proceed directly to Ohio and get to work on all those registered voters, "see how many you can disqualify".
Not to worry about Florida, its in the bag so to speak, so with those two biggies under control it doesn't even matter what McBushs numbers are, the games is a done deal/.
Re: thank again
usda
Fri Oct 31, 2008 4:58 PM
I wonder if anyone actually reads these articles or just the first paragraph and the headline before reaching their own conclusions.
Anyway, I appreciate the company that provides this free site for those of us working for the government--too bad so many of my colleagues feel the need to complain about it without, apparently, ever considering the possibility the problem may be that they are used to reading one-sided commentary more to their liking and not willing to accept an article that is apparently quite neutral based on the comments from each side.
Re: thank again
TSO
Fri Oct 31, 2008 5:26 PM
only old baby boomers here
HF
Fri Oct 31, 2008 4:38 PM
This site is mostly frequented by white baby boomers, what else do you expect!
Re: only old baby boomers here
TSO
Fri Oct 31, 2008 5:24 PM
Realistically speaking
GSA
Fri Oct 31, 2008 5:20 PM
C'mon.... we know the majority of Fedsmith readers lean conservatively. I don't expect any differently. In fact, a lot of government workers are or lean to the conservative point of view.
Having said that, it's surprising that Obama has done as well in the Fedsmith polls as he has. However, Fedsmith is not representative of the entire voting citizenship. I would hazard to say that this country is pretty well mixed with a majority falling squarely in the middle.
Obama leads in the polls outside of the govt because he is more centrist ... at lease more of a centrist than Palin and a bit more than McCain (who used to be much closer to the center).
People point to Obama's short time in Govt service in defense of the same comment being made of Palin but the difference here is Barack's clearly the more analytical of the two and the more likely to weigh all sides before making decisions.
Joe Biden brings a wealth of foriegn relations experience and will make their admin strong.
Re: Realistically speaking
DOD
Sun Nov 2, 2008 6:00 PM
Re: Realistically speaking
DOAA
Sun Nov 2, 2008 7:20 PM
and he wants to advise somebody with no foreign relations experience... sounds like a recipe for disaster!
election
faa
Fri Oct 31, 2008 6:51 PM
I retired from the FAA after watching my agency returning to the "bad old days" of the 80's. Politicians who don't beieve in government shouldn't be running it - that's why we saw the FEMA/Katrina disaster. It amazes me to this day that words like "socialism" still set some people off. Get a grip! We just bailed out every rich, corporate and Wall St. type. As we do every day by ridding the Government of it's right of oversight and let everyone run wild. Just as the FAA thought that getting in bed with the airlines was better than regulating them. What do you call that? And yet social security and education and health care is socialism? Our country is 186th in the world at family care leave and legislation. And we wonder why no one except 3rd world countries want to come here? Smarten up America. Vote for your own best interests - not Enron or AIG.
Re: election
Treas
Mon Nov 3, 2008 4:25 PM
McCain's record on vets
DoD
Fri Oct 31, 2008 8:53 PM
To all those people that state "McCain respects the military.."
Yes,, he wore a uniform but spend five minutes reading his voting record on veterans bills. He clearly does not vote for veterans. The major vet groups have scored him poorly.
It a shame, he points to his military service and his care for the vets but his record is to the contrary. He couldn't even bring himself to vote for the G.I. bill this year.
Re: McCain's record on vets
DoD
Mon Nov 3, 2008 7:52 AM
Presidential Election
Retired
Fri Oct 31, 2008 11:52 PM
I'm not convinced that either McCain or Obama would not be prone to see issues and especially international affairs issues in simple good-bad, strong-weak, etc. terms.
But I would not vote for anyone who would continue George W. Bush's policies.
Absentee Ballot
DLA
Sat Nov 1, 2008 4:22 AM
I am deployed to Tikrit, Iraq. I requested an absentee ballot on 28Aug08. I called about the ballot on or about 14OCT08 and was told it was mailed to me on 29th or 30th of SEPT08. I have not received my ballot. I cast my first ballot in 1972 while in Boot Camp in the Marine Corps by absentee ballot. I have not missed voting in an election since then. I do not want to miss out on voting in this election. I am very disappointed in the Athens County OHIO Board of Elections in not ensuring I have received my absentee ballot.
Is anybody listening
Retired
Sat Nov 1, 2008 8:33 AM
McBush is going to cut taxes but tax your health benefits. Give a 5,000 dollar tax credit to buy a health plan. What planet can you buy a health plan for a family of 4 for 5,000 dollars.EXXON made 15 billion dollars in the last quarter they really need a McBush tax cut.When was the last time McBush said the words MIDDLE CLASS in one of his speeches.Guys take the wax out of your ears.If it was up to McCain the entire goverment would be privatized.
Re: Is anybody listening
doe
Sat Nov 1, 2008 10:12 AM
Re: Is anybody listening
DoD
Mon Nov 3, 2008 7:55 AM
Obama: Our next President
Treasury Dept.
Sat Nov 1, 2008 12:20 PM
No matter what Federal employees say about Obama or who they will vote for will not change the outcome of the election. Obama will win. McCain will probably retire and enjoy his final years living off his wife millions of dollars.
Ok, I admit some tomfoolery here...
TACOM
Sat Nov 1, 2008 1:07 PM
I apologize. I went and messed with this survey as part of a "call to action" that was expressed by a caller on a Talk Show I listen to... (basically the caller was saying that we can't trust polls or surveys so we may as well not bother to answer them truthfully in order to give the media a false impression of whose winning.)
So just for fun I lied and said I was voting for Barack Obama.
So the survey should read 1607 votes for Barack,
and 1805 for John McCain.
Sorry, was just having some poor taste, fun to see if my response would artificially give Barack the edge.
checks & balances
DOI
Sat Nov 1, 2008 5:06 PM
In all likelihood, the Democrats will retain control of Capitol Hill. Do we also want them controlling the White House, &, by virtue of appointees, the Judicial System? We find it intolerable when other countries are governed by a single party. I'm leaning toward the McCain/Palin ticket simply because I believe it would be a mistake to have a single party controlling all 3 branches of OUR government.
Re: checks & balances
NIH
Mon Nov 3, 2008 9:09 AM
Re: checks & balances
DOI
Mon Nov 3, 2008 1:07 PM
Let's not bandy about terms like "hypocritical" without proof, shall we?!
Nope! Yep!
DOD
Sun Nov 2, 2008 9:05 AM
There is certainly a tug-of-war within our election this year at every level. My union backs Obama. McCain backs the military. My family is 2 generations union and 3 generations military. My family is 3 generations Democrat and 2 generations Republican. I will not vote for socialism or surrendering to the terrorists. I will vote for McCain/Palin. And I will pray to my Father in heaven for my country, my President, and for all soldiers, sailors, marines, and guardsmen who defend my country with their lives every day.
Election
DOD
Mon Nov 3, 2008 7:32 AM
I read in horrific disbelief why there are so many people who believe that Senator O'Bama is the best choice for the President of the USA. No, Senator McCain may not be the best choice, but at least he is in favor of the many things O'Bama is against. O'Bama is Pro Abortion, Anti-Gun, Anti-Israel, Pro Redistribution of the monies that you earn to give to others that do not want to work. He has hidden the facts regarding his affiliations with some questionable people. His Birth Certificate has been sealed by the governor of Hawaii, "What are they trying to hide?" Some question the experience of Gov. Sarah Palin-What expereince does O'Bama have? Gov Palin is the commander in chief of the Alaska National Guard and as such has had to deal with Russia and Canada as neighboring countires. O'Bama has NONE!
No, Sen McCain may not be the best choice, but it sure beats the heck out of our country being turned into a Socialist country and that is what "change" you are going to get with O'Bama.
re-distributing the wealth
USDA Forest Service
Mon Nov 3, 2008 8:23 AM
I have listened to John McCain talk about how Obama wants to re-distribute the wealth as a negative. What he never mentions is the fact that the Bush administration through its fiscal policies has instituted the largest shift of wealth to the top 5% of the population. Never has there been such a concentration of wealth in such a small percentage of the population since 1929. Since most government employees don't fall in the top 5% of the wealthiest Americans, I don't understand our opposition to Obama's desire to help the middle class by lowering taxes on anyone making less than $250,000. I don't know about others, but I don't earn anywhere near a quarter of a million dollars a year.
Re: re-distributing the wealth
Forest Service
Mon Nov 3, 2008 5:50 PM
Let history guide your decision
GSA
Mon Nov 3, 2008 8:37 AM
Review these time periods: 1924 to 1932; 1980 to 1988 and 2000 to 2008. In each time period the DOW fell by more than 20%. After each period a Democratic President came in to clean up a mess left by ideologues guised as prophets of an erroneous economic theory, i.e., trickle-down. Get a clue and vote for change--we have a great deal of work to do in reining in the hogs of Wall Street. Hello, the Dems are here to help you--just accept it and you can again take a harvest of our hard earned cash in 8 years or so.
Re: Let history guide your decision
DOD
Mon Nov 3, 2008 10:09 AM
Our nation's demise from within
CMS
Mon Nov 3, 2008 8:58 AM
I used to think pure socialism was the best form of gov't. However, I was only 16 and now know that it is not some thirty plus years later. Socialism kills any willingness to work hard just to "redistribute" to those who don't want to. As in history, great nations fall from within and electiing leaders who have socialism as a platform is a signal for the falling of our nation away from democracy. Therefore, it leads me to believe and vote for the lesser of two evils in hopes of preserving our nation and what we have stood for.
Taxes
Forest Service
Mon Nov 3, 2008 9:10 AM
Hello!! Is anyone listening? If McCain wins and his health care plan goes through, YOU will see an immediate tax increase. Our health benefits equal approximately $12,000. YOU will be taxed on $12,000 additional dollars. Your taxes will go up $2400 - $3600 right out of the gate. This is not a tax on the wealthy, this is a tax on all of the rest of us.
gobama!
DOI
Mon Nov 3, 2008 10:16 AM
hmmm. i posted a pro-obama comment last week, and it was never posted to this site.
a good source for poll info
DOI
Mon Nov 3, 2008 10:39 AM
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/
Obama, Pelosi & Reed
VAMC
Mon Nov 3, 2008 10:55 AM
The Obama-Pelosi-Reed trifecta will plunge this country into ruin quicker than anyone can imagine. The things that have made this country great are not it's "purple mountains majesty". Fidel Castro also brought change to his country. That is the kind of change they will foist upon this once great nation. If God does not bless America, America will not be blessed. There are no second choices to that. The principles that have held this country together and the direct blessings by God can be abandoned to our great loss and detriment.
DOD Worker
Retired
Mon Nov 3, 2008 12:34 PM
If name calling is degrading what is paying tax on your health benefits.I bet you believe he can also balance the budget in 4 years.Didn't McCain say he is not to versed in economics or was that George Bush I forget.
Election Choices
Defense Dept
Mon Nov 3, 2008 3:46 PM
I find it amazing that this election, which seems to so polarize Americans is about to "Change" America from one of and for the people to one of"we know what you need" socialism. The ties of the left to those folks in the Middle East will deliver to our emnemies what many generations fought to prevent. Look to Europe for what we will soon become and if you like socialism, then creeping marxism is close behind. What a shame that a big talker without any standing outside of ACORN and Chicago Politics will lead us down the path to ruin. Robin Hood is a fable and succh policies are built upon dreams not reality.
Re: Election Choices
DOD
Tue Nov 4, 2008 11:51 AM
Who is it going to be?
VA
Mon Nov 3, 2008 4:11 PM
I've always been a democrat and voted for the democratic party every election until now...between Hillary and Barack, all I heard is everything will be "free" like socialized medicine, you name it. Then I turned to McCain hoping for the best and he brought in Palin. What was McCain thinking? Tomorrow is the big election day and I'm still undecided and rather upset we're stuck with these candidates.
God help us all.
Vanity vs Wisdom
Treas
Mon Nov 3, 2008 4:42 PM
I feel like McCain selected a running mate, just to win an election. He's pandering to the base of his own party, that he brags about fighting against. If he can't even get along with his own party, how difficult will his job be to get anything done? There is NO substance in anything Gov Palin says - she's more like a cheerleader. She proved that to me when I personally heard her mock fruit fly research - turns out, this is a standard method used by scientists, in all kinds of research - some of which has touched our lives, no doubt, but she still hammered away at it being a "waste".
I'm not happy with our choices, either, but I at least feel like Obama selected a running mate to help him run the federal govt of a country. He's looking beyond just the election, and has more wisdom than vanity. McCain comes across to me as vain and dismissive, or like he feels entitled to win this time - he's tried several times now. He's had his chance - let someone new take the wheel.
I still wanna know..
dod
Mon Nov 3, 2008 5:44 PM
We all know Obama is good at making campaign promises but we all know what happens to those promises once they get in office.
Talk is cheap, what's Obama ever actually DONE?
Transformation
USDA
Tue Nov 4, 2008 3:05 AM
Obama has promised a transformation of the United States in one of his recent speeches. When one studies history, one can find nations that had a total transformation. We have Russia revolution which led to tens of millions slaughtered and starved, we have Hitler who started a world war and slaughtered millions in concentration camps, we have Mao, who slaughtered millions in China, we have Castro in Cuba who has executed thousands and has rations on consumer goods including food.
Obama has very questionable associates some of who "transform" the USA into the United Socialist States of America. This is the most important election in my lifetime and I fear if Obama wins our country will slide down the slippery slope to communism. Obama will bring transformation and our country will never be the same again. From disarmament, to a "civilian security force funded at the same rate as our military, his promised bankrupting the coal industry and "spreading the wealth" at his whim and others.
Wasn't Even Close
DOD
Wed Nov 5, 2008 8:51 AM
Not sure where this information came from. But the election wasn't even close.
election
USDA Forest Service
Wed Nov 5, 2008 9:58 AM
The race was not even close. How did the pollsters miss the mark by such a margin. I have little respect or trust of polls. However, I believe it helped more people get out and cast a ballot.
Discrepancy
DCMA
Wed Nov 5, 2008 3:53 PM
Since the survey result from the FedSmith respondents was so different than the election result, wouldn't it make sense to ask why? Is the general federal workforce out of touch with the concerns of the general public? Are we, as an institution, more conservative or more Republican than the American electorate as a whole? Is so, some soul-searching may be in order.
Re: Discrepancy
FedSmith.com
Wed Nov 5, 2008 5:06 PM
Re: Discrepancy
DCMA
Wed Nov 5, 2008 5:49 PM
Re: Discrepancy
FedSmith.com
Wed Nov 5, 2008 6:00 PM
Re: Discrepancy
NCA
Fri Nov 7, 2008 6:19 PM
Re: Discrepancy
dod
Sat Nov 8, 2008 9:39 AM
Also, a great many people voted on emotion this time as opposed to thoughtful consideration. This is obvious when you consider that the reasons many people give for casting their ballot the way they did aren't grounded in any kind of real factual information but instead were based on style, flash and the 30 second TV sound byte.
Re: Discrepancy
Home for the holidays
Fri Nov 14, 2008 6:00 PM
Re: Discrepancy
dod
Sat Nov 15, 2008 5:46 PM
Re: Discrepancy
Home for the Holidays
Mon Nov 17, 2008 3:42 PM
Re: Discrepancy
dod
Mon Nov 17, 2008 6:12 PM
I say the problem is on both sides, you tell us it's only the problem of one party and you call me partisan? Get serious.
The rest of your insults are entertaining but are of no real value in this discussion.
Re: Discrepancy
Home for the Holidays
Tue Nov 18, 2008 3:44 PM
Re: Discrepancy
dod
Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:52 PM
Speaking of lame, why don't you tell us just where I said the voters weren't as intelligent as voters like me, or anybody else. Criticism is good but if you're going to criticize somebody I suggest you criticize them for something they actually said.
Just how did the GOP blow it? That assertion is so general it means nothing unless you tell us what you mean.
Excellent Article
HQ U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, Civil Works
Mon Nov 10, 2008 9:10 AM
I found the article to be very informative. It clearly shows the great diversity of opinions in the Federal workforce. It also shows that many of them are out of touch with the impact of younger voters and Obama's ability to energize them. I wonder if those who voted for Senator McCain considered what has happened to their retirement accounts under President Bush's administration. I think it was clear that McCain planned to continue his failed economic policies.
Re: Excellent Article
dod
Mon Nov 10, 2008 9:35 PM
The mortgage meltdown was a result of government interference in the mortage industry, particularly in the 1990s when the industry was under political pressure under the Clinton administration to make mortgage loans to people who wouldn't normally qualify for them. When President Bush took office his administration repeatedly warned congress that this situation was spinning out of control and needed oversight and control. Congress did not act despite these repeated warnings and therefore we're in this situation. If you're going to point the finger for this situation you need to point it at those responsible for creating it, not at those who tried to warn us it was coming.
Buying the Election
U.S. Air Force
Wed Nov 12, 2008 4:25 PM
Yes, Obama bought the election with the help of Fannie Mae, and Freddy Mac contributions, along with AIG contributions to his campaign.
Now watch what he does with money for them. Also watch the other Democrats that received large contributions from them, such as Christopher Dodds, Barney Frank and the like.
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Re: Buying the Election
NCA
Fri Nov 14, 2008 6:05 PM