President Obama,
I work for my living, I live within my means and I pay all my debts. However, there apparently are many out there who don't.....that is why you rammed a "stimulus package" through in order to reward those deadbeats. Now you want me to forgo a pay raise so I can help you continue to reward the deadbeats. Why should I? That would make me an enabler, much like you, for this type of cancerous behaviour.
Mr. President, please take a moment and pull your head out from under the rock you are living under and get real. It was bad enough when your mother-in-law moved into the White House at taxpayers expense (I call her the "First Free-loader--in honor of the First Lady), but I should not have to fund your grand schemes of ruination for this country.
Sincerely,
American Taxpayer
Re: No
IT Specialist SSA Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:49 AM
Talk about an entitlement expectation. Get your facts straight before complaining. No one is asking or making you give up a pay raise. Actually, you are getting a pay raise, which you are not entitled to, when the majority of Americans will not.
Re: No
IRS Employee IRS Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:08 AM
In the case of this e-mail, some federal employees just don't understand how good we have it. Yeah, I work live within my means and pay my debts, too. Hey, it's time for all federal workers to take a step back & be THANKFUL we have a JOB!!!. If you don't like it, LEAVE THE GOV'T and go work in the private sector!! Quit crying!!
Re: No
American Worker DOL Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:46 AM
We pay our bills and all the other lazy people in the world and bailout the big companies and banks, and now the president wants more from us. This is rediculous and should not have even been ask of us. When is he going to take a look at the middle class and start doing something for us.
Re: No
CONCERNED AMERICAN DOD Fri Feb 27, 2009 10:35 AM
I have no problem giving up my pay raise for 2010 completely as long as our medical doesn't go up. That is usually where are raise goes anyway. When Reagan was in office, we did without one year. I do think President Obama is living under a rock. It's going to take a lot to get us back in shape and all the spending programs he is implementing or proposing will not help that cause. Maybe Congress should look at cutting back on their special benefits (private jets, etc.).
Re: No
Taxpayer DoL Fri Feb 27, 2009 10:56 AM
IT Specialist & IRS Employee
I assume you are getting one of the hand-outs? Is that why you don't mind that the money is coming from someone else? If you don't mind giving your money away, please just work for free.
Or maybe you are upset because the person you voted for is treating you like a tool.....
Re: No
Instructor DoD Sat Feb 28, 2009 9:28 AM
Yea let's suck it up and give up or pay raise just because Obama's staffers salararies are frozen at 168K. Give me a break. All from the man who stood in front of our soldiers and couldn't even congratualate them for their success (aka victory) in Iraq. Obama is a audacious jerk.
Re: No
CS SSA Sun Mar 1, 2009 7:48 PM
First off, you are not entitled to a pay increase every year by congress. You should be happy that you have a job and not being furlough.
Re: No
Interested Federal Employee DHS Mon Mar 2, 2009 11:12 AM
Does anyone remember bank de-regulation in the Clinton Administration.
Google our current Treasury secretary (Geithner and the former Fanny Mae Freddie Mac chairman) As the policy developers for financial deregulation it would appear they are now getting their payoff; funny how people and things run in cycles in the government administration, don't you think.
Re: No
UL Manager ICE Mon Mar 2, 2009 11:57 AM
I agree with the real American Workers' comments above. We do work hard and we are entitled to recognition via pay raises. That's why we took these jobs in the first place.
Why should we pay for lazy "people" to sit on the sofa, eating chips and wtaching oprah all day?
No, obama needs to get it right and CONGRATULATE and RECOGNIZE the workers in this nation instead of PUNISHING them to pay for deadbeats.
Wecome to socialism, folks. You voted for marx....er, obama.
Re: No
supervisor VHA Thu Apr 30, 2009 9:46 AM
President Obama's Mother-in-Law is his family. Many people have their Mothers and Mother-in-laws living in their home. Some people have gronw children living in their home. Some people of uncles and aunts living in the home. Family is family. Everyones' family looks different. The White House is their home. Get over your political hard noseness. Get off your high horse.
Make your point about the stimulus and then stop.
Many Americans are hard working people. You are are not the only one. I am not the only one.
What happen in the country was greed. Greedy CEOs at banking institutions and finiancial loan institutions. People go out and shop for homes. They go to a banking institution for the money. People trust the banking institions to tell them the truth. Some people are wiser and check the figures. Other don't have the knowledge to check the figures. Lets place the blame where it belongs. It belongs on GREEDY PEOPLE.
NSPS and Pay raises
DOD Employee DOD Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:19 AM
I'm wondering how will this affect NSPS payouts
Re: NSPS and Pay raises
attorney DoD Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:53 AM
Right now under NSPS all employees with a level 2 rating are guaranteed 60% of the general schedule raise. Sixty percent of a 2.0% raise is obviously going to be less than 60% of a 3.9% raise. The rest of the pay pool funding -- the amount historically used by agencies to fund performance awards, etc. -- shouldn't be impacted by a lower general schedule raise.
While I empathize with the comments of Taxpayer, above, quite frankly I was expecting Obama to announce a federal pay freeze for 2010. A small raise is better than no raise . . . or no job . . .
Re: NSPS and Pay raises
Fed Worker & Union Guy DOD Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:44 AM
Taken in context, it is a bitter pill!! However, President Obama is expected to take a critical look at A-76 contracting out of jobs, & new personnel systems, such as NSPS. If we have more dignity, & respect as government workers, then that must be factored too.
Re: NSPS and Pay raises
Diversity Manager DOL Fri Feb 27, 2009 2:07 PM
lets see last year the avg was 8% so i would imagine the avg would be 6%
Re: NSPS and Pay raises
transportation specialist USAF Mon Mar 2, 2009 5:25 AM
Let's hope that NSPS goes away completely.
Proposes 2% Pay Raise
Civil Engineer DOD Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:40 AM
I expected it and have no rpoblem with it and I've always thought that the military should get a bigger raise.
A civilian CE
Re: Proposes 2% Pay Raise
H.R. Specialist V.A. Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:13 AM
I totally support the (hopefully temporary) belt-tightening measures, including a 2% pay raise.
But I disagree with you that the military deserves bigger raises. I am a veteran, and people often forget that when serving in the military, an individual pays no rent, gets free meals and medical coverage, pays no gasoline taxes, and gets higher pay automatically if serving in areas of danger. Married individuals also get extra in their checks to offset the cost of housing. Sorry, even as a veteran, I'm not THAT sympathetic.
Re: Proposes 2% Pay Raise
IT Specialist USDA Fri Feb 27, 2009 10:00 AM
Vetrans don't pay gas taxes? I assume you are ex-military and not retired. AAFES does a survey of the cost of gas near the base and sets their price accordingly. You can save a few cents, but sometimes gas is cheaper off base also. They do the same with tobacco. So I may not be paying the taxes, but I am paying the same amount.
Free rent. This is true, they either get housing or money for off post housing. Civilians just get one big pay check. Come retirement, civilians get a percentage of the big check, military a percentage of their base pay only. 30% of my current GS pay is greater than my E7 retirement pay.
Re: Proposes 2% Pay Raise
Supervisor Forest Service Fri Feb 27, 2009 11:57 AM
Military should get a big pay raise. Many of our military left very good paying jobs when they were called up. And they have families to support. They are doing their duty to their country to protect us and are putting their lives at risk. Yes it is true that "they get free housing," etc. and extra money for their families, but remember that they are separated from their families, not because they want to but because that is part of the job. And their families don't get free housing, they still have to pay the rent. So back off on the millitary not deserve a payraise.
Re: Proposes 2% Pay Raise
IT Drone DoD Fri Feb 27, 2009 7:08 PM
I concur with IT Specialist from the USDA about military paying taxes on gas and tobacco. A long time ago, the private sector lobbied the Armed Forces committee about how unfair it was that the gas sold on base was tax-free and the soldiers were driving on the local roads, but not paying for the upkeep. So now they have to pay gas taxes just like everyone else. And, yes, sometimes the gas on base costs up to 5 or 10¢ more than in town.
Also, now they get hit with income tax on the BAQ because, even if they are in quarters (almost all managed by private contractors now), the BAQ is counted as income (although the contractor gets the money directly from Uncle Sam and the troops never see it).
I'm in one of those agencies that never gets raises. I'd be happy with the 2% as long as MY medical doesn't go up again, either.
Re: Proposes 2% Pay Raise
Scientist DOD Thu Apr 9, 2009 6:01 PM
I really am annoyed by those who keep saying we should be thankful for our job...at least we have one. That is such a suck-up. If I didn't have this job I would have a different one. I work hard for what I earn and I am entitled to a raise. It isn't my fault others were scammed and the banks made loans to folks who were not worthy of them. Why should my household pay for the mistakes of others? This administration is throwing money without any accountability as to where it went. Why should federal workers have to tighten their belts when this is going on? How is this going to “stimulate” the economy?
Re: Proposes 2% Pay Raise
General Engineer DOT Tue Jun 30, 2009 3:38 PM
I'm happy to get whatever we are offered in this day and age. I also agree that folks in harm's way (whether military or civilian) should get a higher raise. I don't believe that just because one is in the military, that they should be entitled to a higher raise. Just those folks on the front lines.
Re: Proposes 2% Pay Raise
MH Supervisory Program Specialist Department of Veterans Affairs Wed Sep 23, 2009 1:21 PM
I think Obama needs to lighten up his staff. He has senior staffers who make $168,000 per year. They should only be making the equivelent of maybe a NSPS YC-3. There are at least 18 in that category, (Overstaffed) (Drop the Number to maybe 5) 6 at $153,000, Should be NSPS YC-2) (with only 3 max) one at $147,600, (Should be GS NSPS YA-2 ) 19 at $141,000 (Should be NSPS YA-2) (Again Overstaffed) This doesn't even mention the chief of staff or the press secretary. (NSPS YA-3)(an placed on an On-Call Schedule) (Top staffers don't need to be making this kind of money, they should all be on the NSPS pay schedules (Performance Based Pay) after a thorugh evaluation of duties and paid accordingly. This way we can see just exactly the work they do (and if they do it.)
The president's staffers are OVER PAID and DOING very LITTLE for us. For his Mother-in-Law living with them, this shouldn't be allowed. because according to the rules, it is suppose to be the Immed family wife/ Children
Re: Proposes 2% Pay Raise
INDUSTRIAL EQIPMENT MECHANIC DOD Thu Oct 15, 2009 1:54 PM
i think we should not feel guilty about getting such a small raise, we should get what the cost of insurance increase will be.
the military should get what congress receives, lets not forget what they are doing, to receive these benifets you remind us of. when was the last time you slept in a mud hole while being shot at, or did you forget.
Federal raises
retired USPS Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:40 AM
Ah, you gotta love Obama! Pay freezes for senior staffers who make $168,000 per year. There are at least 18 in that category, 6 at $153,000, one at $147,600, 19 at $141,000 and many more. This doesn't even mention the chief of staff or the press secretary.
But his union loyalists will be taking home less in 2010.
All that and a tax increase to boot.
Has anyone figured out that this actually means that you will be making less in 2010 than in 2009?
Anyone remember the Campaign promises?
hehehehehehehe
Re: Federal raises
Forester US Forest Service Fri Feb 27, 2009 10:47 AM
I guess Obama was correct when he said in his speech to the joint house of Congress, this week, that "some" will interpret his rollback of the tax cuts on those with the highest income--those making ABOVE $250K per annum, as a tax increase for all.
Do people only hear what they want to hear, or do they just flat out lie?? If you make under $250K per household, you WILL be getting a TAX CUT.
Re: Federal raises
Claims Rep SSA Sat Feb 28, 2009 12:44 PM
Retired USPS:
When you consider how much people make in similar positions in the private sector, the pay of these senior staffers is LOW.
Because of the prestige of the positions or perks, we usually get more than we pay for.
At least I certainly hope so.
Same with pay for congress. Their pay is paltry for their position, responsibility and influence. And although far too many of them do not earn what they get, we need to pay them according to what we expect, and then we need to elect those who will do what we expect.
Underpaying any position in government or the private sector always has negative consequences.
It is important to consider all perks of the job as part of the pay. And in that light one thing has always been true, we get what we pay for.
If you want to underpay congress and the executive branch (not to mention state government), go for it. But I promise you that overall, you will not underpay for your government, you will pay more.
Re: Federal raises
Cost Guy NAVY Tue Mar 17, 2009 4:51 AM
Your naive if you think you not going to pay more in the coming years as a result of the socialistic policies of this new "administration" who I have noticed of late have sunk to new levels of Juvenile behavior, making personal attacks on anyone who disagrees with them.
You’re going to be taxed for energy (cap and trade). You’re going to be taxed for health care. They want to tax what you exhale (carbon). Next comes the oxygen tax.
These morons who caused this mess are unbelievable and using it as an excuse to turn us into a Commie/Nazi regime.
I feel better now. Yes you will pay more taxes and you'll like it.
CG.
AFGE rolling over
Astronut NASA Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:41 AM
How about the federal unions rolling over to Obama? if Bush were still in office and had proposed 2%, they would have been screaming bloody murder.
Re: AFGE rolling over
Project Manager GSA Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:56 AM
So true. So much for pay parity.
Re: AFGE rolling over
Acountant, Retired gs 14 DOE, Albuquerque Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:59 AM
With the CPI at minus 4.6, a two % pay raise would result in a 6.6 real increase. Last year the feds averaged 3.9 nand the CPI from October 07 to 08 was 5.8%. and therfore was a real pay cut of 1.9%. So lets put it this way:
UNDER OBAMA THE FEDS GET A 6.6% RAISE IN 2010
UNDER BUSH YOU GOT A 1.9% PAY CUT IN 2009
Re: AFGE rolling over
IT FAA Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:53 AM
Department of Labor the CPI was .3 percent for January making it on track for about 3.2 percent for the year not minus 4.6 percent. So we will receive a minus 1.2 percent pay raise. Must be the new math or something.
Re: AFGE rolling over
Fed Worker & Union Guy DOD Fri Feb 27, 2009 11:53 AM
Astronut NASA:
Under Bush, he usually offered low ball pay raises & the unions fought as they should. This time is no different under Obama. Have you thought about getting your brother, & sister, astronauts organized into a union?
Re: AFGE rolling over
Cost Guy NAVY Tue Mar 17, 2009 5:05 AM
Oh thank you MR Barrack Hussein Obama for the 6 % raise. Thank you thank you for the 201K (he is part of the crowd that caused the mess). Thank you for the reduced value of my home (he voted against regulation).
Anything else I should thank him for?
Re: AFGE rolling over
Consumer safety inspector USDA Fri Mar 27, 2009 11:40 AM
President Bush proposed a 2.5% pay raise in the secon year of his first term. AFGE went nuts. Ronald Reagan proposed a 3% pay raise in his second term. The union went nuts. This is nothing more that partisan hypocracy on the part of Mr. Gage. If you agree, drop the union. The more people they lose, the faster they will change their tune.
Re: AFGE rolling over
Retired Postal USPS Wed Jul 1, 2009 12:41 AM
Hey Claims ReP....so the Congress and Senate get small salaries? Tell me then why the majority are millionaires?
2% Pay Increase for 2010
Adminisrative Officer Department of Veterans Affairs Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:46 AM
In Puerto Rico the increase last year was 2.9 since we do not receive locality pay. An increase of only 2% would mean a 1% increase for federal employees in Puerto Rico. What happened to the conversion to locality pay for Puerto Rico? If the 2% is across the board then I agree with EVERYONE making the same sacrifice.
Re: 2% Pay Increase for 2010
Diversity Manager DOL Fri Feb 27, 2009 2:08 PM
PR isn't a state so any raise should be appreciated
Re: 2% Pay Increase for 2010
HR Specialist DOT Thu Mar 12, 2009 6:45 AM
Please be reminded that federal employees in Puerto Rico receive 14% (I believe) cost of living (COLA) to compensate the difference between them and federal employees who receive locality pay.
2010 Pay Raise
Analyst USDA Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:47 AM
Just because the president wants to give away money to folks who can't or won't pay their mortgages doesn't mean I feel some national duty to sacrifice. No indeed, just the opposite is the case. Give me my full pay raise and stop the maddest in Washington.
Reduce Pay Increase
Computer Specialist FAA Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:49 AM
I would be more than willing to give up all pay raises for 2009 if congress and the president would give up their Tax & Spend policies. The president and his democrat counterparts in congress need to stop giving away our tax money to bail out missmanaged companies and drop their plan to tax those Americans who have been diligent with their income and ran their businesses correctly. If they would do that, I would agree to zero increase in my 2009 wages.
Re: Reduce Pay Increase
Program Analyst II DOD Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:28 PM
It doesn't matter if you agree or disagree.
Re: Reduce Pay Increase
Biologist HHS Mon Mar 2, 2009 12:30 PM
Agreed, with one additional but all important stipulation. He must rein in the federal reserve (yes, I know its not answerable to the American people nor their elected representatives), force them turn stop the hemorrhage of easy money and make their M3 money supply figures transparent again. Otherwise hyperinflation will make a $50,000 per annum paycheck will soon feel like $10,000 and dropping.
2% Pay Raise??
Computer Assistant IRS Treasury Division Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:49 AM
Maybe President Obama and the Congress and Senate could give up some of their huge income and give to the people. and if they would quit their huge spending of the tax payers money, on traveling and expensive dinners and luxury living, then we would not be in this mess, also it was not their funds to take when they dipped into the Social Security funds that the taxpayers have taken out for their future, and now the SS is in trouble.. But we the people have just sat back, and let the government have their way and now we are paying for their mistakes of huge spending of Federal spending. Not to mention the millions of dollars Obama wants to give to the funding of Abortion...
Re: 2% Pay Raise??
Thorn in the Side DOD Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:38 PM
When did OBAMA dip into Social Security?
Re: 2% Pay Raise??
Diversity Manager DOL Sat Feb 28, 2009 3:19 PM
where do you think 30% of the budget comes from Mars?? SS funds have been used since LBJ when he made them a part of the Unitary budget. Right now SS is owed $54Trillion...
Higher paygrades should receive less
Security Manager U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:49 AM
For FY 2010, I would propose that higher paygrades should receive a lesser pay increase than lower paygrades, for example:
GS-14 to SES: 0%
GS-12 and GS-13: 1%
GS-9 to GS-12: 2%
GS-7 to GS-9: 3%
GS-5 to GS-7: 4%
Below GS-5: 5%
Persons at higher paygrades are generally better financially prepared to absorb the lesser increases, while those at lower paygrades are struggling more with cost increases - especially if they are (or were) working multiple jobs to survive.
Re: Higher paygrades should receive less
Analyst IRS Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:08 AM
I couldn't agree more! The administration has to stop thinking of federal employees across the board. There are GS4's, 5's, 6's and so on trying to make a living and care for their families. I agree upper grades would certainly survive but below a grade 10 with a family to care for, a mortgage to pay, car payments, daily living expenses, and food on the table. A 2% raise will most certainly go straight to FEBH, which goes up year after year after year.....these folks would take home less in 2010 then they do now.
Re: Higher paygrades should receive less
Woods Mama Trees R Us Fri Feb 27, 2009 10:51 AM
Excellent Idea! We'll do this for several years until all salaries are equal no matter what job that you do and no matter what responsibilities you have.
The person responsible for making decisions that determine the lives of others during a prison uprising, forest fire, national or military disaster, should make the same as the new trainee just learning where the supply closet is and how to answer the phone and log on to their computer!
Oh Wait! That would be..........
There are different job descriptions, responsibilities and the associated pay earned in all jobs, public and private.
Think about it. The more valuable the employee the more salary they will command. At least, that's they way it should be.
Re: Higher paygrades should receive less
Thorn in the Side DOD Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:39 PM
Good idea.
Re: Higher paygrades should receive less
Analyst USDA Fri Feb 27, 2009 3:20 PM
So let me get this right...I was a single mom raising three daughters on a GS-3 salary, and receiving no child support. Obama wasn't there to help me pay the mortgage or health care. I have worked my way up to a GS-13 and can finally afford to put away some money in the failing TSP for my retirement, but now I am to be punished because of the filthy rich theives on wall street and the people making $7.00 an hour and signing their name on a $400,000 house because in 1999 Clinton told Fanny Mae and Mac to make homes available to those who couldn't afford home. Yeah, you're right, I only deserve the measly 2%.
Re: Higher paygrades should receive less
Claims Rep SSA Sat Feb 28, 2009 12:55 PM
It is called redistribution of wealth. Take from those who have and give to those who have not.
It is also called socialism. The idea that all should be awarded equally, even if they don't perform or achieve equally.
It is also called a disincentive. People who suggest these things have no clue about human action. They believe that we all act with the best of intentions. They never studied history or psychology or even noticed how the world around them works.
I have a better idea. You keep getting what you EARNED, and richer and higher paid people will keep getting what they EARNED, and you stop trying to take money that other people earned.
(Ya I know, theres a whole bunch of higher paid people who never earn their money. True. And it is also true for my grade and your grade too)
Re: Higher paygrades should receive less
Management and Program Analyst DOJ Wed Mar 4, 2009 9:48 AM
Well, I have to disagree with your assertion that higher grades should receive less. I am sick and tired of being made to feel that I should "apologize" or sacrifice more just because I did all the right things to get where I am today. I am a single parent with a child and I work darn hard for my career/money. I went to college and obtained a degree and then while beginning work with the federal government, I went back to school to obtain my MBA. I became a SME in my area of expertise very early on while others just "plodded" along. I continued to take on higher levels of responsibility to groom myself for higher level positions which I competed for, landed, and excelled at. I moved geographically and took positions in other agencies. I had even less opportunities than others out there but I made sacrifices early on. Because of payouts to those who didn't pay taxes, I continue to sacrifice - I didn't get that Bush Stimulus check. I'm not the one getting all the hand-outs!
Re: Higher paygrades should receive less
Supervisor DoD Mon Aug 10, 2009 10:05 AM
Punish people for achieving a higher grade (and responsibility)? We can handle it better? Shoplifters justify their behavior by stating the companies are rich ... they can handle it.
Gotta love those unions
HR Specialist Small Agency Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:51 AM
So, let me get this straight. If it's a republican president suggesting that Feds get a smaller raise than usual and that the military get a bigger raise than Feds, the unions cry and howl and yell about the abuse, mistreatment, and downright disrespect Feds receive. But if it's a democratic president suggesting the same thing, then it's about belt tightening and doing our part to help. The hypocracy is so blatant, yet not a suprise. There is no better sign that the unions are a politically driven entity in the hip pocket of the democratic party.
And I know, the argument will be that it is the repub pres who got us into this and the dem is just trying to do what he can to get us out. But sorry, that doesn't justify the holier than thou attitude the unions have taken over the past 8 years to turn around so quickly and get on board. I for one believe we should get a smaller pay raise. But I've believed that for quite some time, not just when it was politically lucrative.
Re: Gotta love those unions
Thorn in the Side DOD Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:42 PM
If Bush had asked something like that, would it have been tvalid? Or would the real reason for the "sacrifice" have been to put more money in the pockets of AIG, KBR et al?
Re: Gotta love those unions
Member Small Agency Fri Feb 27, 2009 1:38 PM
You need to broaden your sources from which you get your news...FedSmith purposely misrepresents union views all the time. Here are excepts from the NTEU National President's press release yesterday:
The President recommends a 2 percent pay raise for federal employees and a 2.9 percent raise for military personnel. I'm disappointed that this does not reflect the longstanding principle of pay parity between federal employees and the military, I intend meet with the administration to discuss the issue. I am interested to know what went into the analysis and why the civilian recommendation especially, came out at 2 percent.
We understand that these are tough times. However, I want to start a broader discussion with the administration on issues thatl impact federal employees. The FEPCA has never has never been fully implemented. Had that been done federal employees would not be paid 23 percent less than their private sector counterparts.
2% pay raise
Tech FAA Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:51 AM
I would be grateful to get a 2% pay raise. I wouldn't even mind having no pay raise for 2010. With unemployment as high as it is, and the economy in such a dire situation it seems like a very small sacrifice to make for the security of having a job with benefits. I would hope that if everyone gives up a little across the board it will add up enough to make up for our past excesses. After all, if our economy fails, we government employees will lose everything, including the retirement we have worked for so many years for. All of our benefits depend on the strength of the government and the nation.
Re: 2% pay raise
Analyst ED Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:04 AM
I completely agree with you. I am very grateful for any increase considering where we are right now; and this isn't a political statement but a statement of support for a country that has some very real economic challenges right now. I actually applaud President Obama for being courageous enough to say look the private sector has taken a huge cut over the past few months and now (Feds) it's time to make some adjustments yourself.
Re: 2% pay raise
Taxpayer DoL Fri Feb 27, 2009 10:59 AM
Analyst
ED
The very real economic challenge facing the country is called President Obama and the Democrat-controlled Congress.
NSPS
Quality Assurance NAVY Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:51 AM
I wouldn't mind only getting 2% if the NSPS was canceled and it was 2% across the board. Under NSPS, supervisors will get 3% and the rest of us will get 1%.
Agree with taxpayer
Taxpayer too DoI Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:52 AM
Taxpayer @8:09 AM
I couldn't agree more. Guess some of those birds have come home to roost. I wonder what "Lockstep" AFGE National President John Gage" makes per year and what his raise will be.
All we'll have left is CHANGE
Attorney PTO Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:53 AM
This guy has alot of nerve. What sacrifices has he made? Why didn't he scale back his inauguration (the most expensive ever) if he is so concerned? Forget about this guy being a secret Muslim. This man is a follower of Marx. He's a communist pure and through, hellbent on spreading the wealth from those he thinks makes too much to create/sustain a class of dependent voters who will come out to vote to maintain he and his apparatchiks in power. Look at this man's life and the people he showed a fondness for in his college years and those who have played a prominent part in his life since--Wright, Ayers and Pfleger. The man brags about studying the writings of Saul Alinisky and his Rules for Radicals. I never thought I'd say this, since I thought he made alot of missteps, but I think I miss Bush.
Re: All we'll have left is CHANGE
Analyst USDA Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:23 AM
You said it. The biggest nerve is his wanting a new $654BILLION DOWN PAYMENT on a new health care initiative to cover folks who don't want to pay for their own healthcare and for illegal immigrants. It just does not balance with saying we ALL have to sacrifice. Mark Levin and Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity are RIGHT, Nobama and his ILK won't stop until they control everything and everyone. How to make those not so well off feel better, make more people feel worse. Spread the misery. To heck with hard work and being paid for jobs well done. If you are fortunate enough to do well despite this Stalinist, he will confiscate your property via taxation!
COMMUNIST!
Re: All we'll have left is CHANGE
Thorn in the Side DOD Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:33 PM
COMMUNIST! Oh, bring on the boogeyman! Why don't you people get off it. The guy's only been in office for a month.
Confusion reigns
Employee DVA Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:54 AM
President Obama has now separated federal employees from the rest of the population. As a Federal employee, did I surrender my other title of civilian. The truth is he can do it to us, but he has no control over the rest of the population. Federal employees have long been utilized as "examples". I recall a survey done many years ago by OMB or OPM that claimed Federal employees were paid significantly less than their civilian counterparts. Did I sleep through the catch up part and are we now at parity?
"when you find yourself in a hole, stop digging"
Re: Confusion reigns
Diversity Manager DOL Fri Feb 27, 2009 2:13 PM
Yep you must have been sleeping on the job. CS earn twice what the average is in the private sector. $118K a year VS $55K
YES WE CAN
HR Specialist A Small One Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:54 AM
Do you realize that as long as we (our nation) refuse to make sacrifices or do something different from what's already been done, nothing will ever change. Let's be less selfish and be part of a greater good for our nation. Everyone has to do his/her part and while, yes, there are some people who mismanage what they have, let's just do our part, and complain less. Let's give things a chance to work.
Re: YES WE CAN
Deadbeat None Fri Feb 27, 2009 11:04 AM
Will you give me some money? I bought a 350K house on a 30K income and can't seem to keep up with the payments. I don't understand it, but if you give me some money I will appreciate it and light a candle for you.
Re: YES WE CAN
Computer Specialist USED Fri Feb 27, 2009 11:13 AM
If I could believe that the "stimulis" package, the enormous budget scam, etc was actually intended to improve the economy (or even if I thought it might improve in spite of intentions) I would be glad to make some sacrafices. Since I cannot convince myself to believe such fairy tales, I will make the same sacrafice I did under Clinton. I will look for any way to reduce my personal tax burden.
Re: YES WE CAN
Computer Specialist USED Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:57 PM
IF I believed that this whole process was intended to help our country get through the current financial difficulties or even that would be the result regardless of the intentions, I would be glad to take a smaller (or no) increase in pay. Since I firmly believe that the purpose of all the recent "stimulus" package, giganic increases in government spending, etc. is to move our country further toward some type of socialism, I would not want to do anything to assist that. So, thanks but no thanks.
2010 pay increase
Revenue agent Treasury Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:54 AM
Gentlemen:
In 2010 we may have $4 oil and double digit inflation and a 2% salary increase may be unreasonable. Many people don't get step increases and all they have is the cost of living adjustment. You should be asking the question will medical costs only increase by 2 %???
How soon they forget
Financial Analyst DOD Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:55 AM
History is a great teacher but apparently President Obama does not want to reflect on what has happened in the past to federal employee salaries. For many years, the federal employee received paltry raises (barely enough to cover increases in health care plans, FEGLI etc) whilst the private sector counterpart enjoyed much larger raises, bonuses and stock options. Now that because of greed, they have hit rough times, the president wants us to ride the lower wave with them. It does seem unfair that in times of relative prosperity, they were not asked to give up their raises, bonuses and the like to join their fellow Americans in the federally employed sector and accept limited raises, bonuses and the like.
Its a poor political ploy and one that should not be followed. Perhaps the President should be made aware of how those who were shortchanged in the past shouuld not be subject to it again.!!!
2% payraise
QAS DCMA Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:56 AM
I expected something like this from OBAMA!
All I can say is HAHAHAHA maybe now you dummies who salivated at the very mention of your "messiah"'s name can begin to understand what those of us who live in the Cook County area were trying to tell you about BHO and his background, everthing he does is an effort to make himself look good and he sure as heck does not care about you. A little less than 1420 days until the obama mistake is corrected!
Re: 2% payraise
attorney DoD Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:53 AM
Ah, another Northern Illinoisan! My friends also didn't understand why I was so adamant that Obama was no angel and didn't deserve the halo and wings that the general public was so anxious to give him. Anyone who believes Obama is above the political fray should read some of the articles written by John Kass (Chicago Tribune), which spell out in black and white all of Obama's connections to corrupt Illinois politics.
What a joke!
Biological Scientist USDA - Forest Service Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:57 AM
As this president sold the futures of my great grand children for pork projects, he is asking federal employees to "tighten their belts"?
If this president and congress were interested in reviving the economy, they could have forgiven ALL current student loan debt (which would have dumped $500/month from my wallet into the economy), paid off 90% of current mortgage debt (releasing $1000/month), and/or given REAL tax cuts to Americans (rather than masquerading welfare as tax cuts to slackers).
This president and congress have begun destroying the country I fought so idealistically for. Shame on the people that voted for this joke and placed the majority of absolute morons into congress & senate.
Re: What a joke!
Thorn in the Side DOD Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:36 PM
Is it worse to give "welfare" to the little people than to give it to fat cats?
2010 Pay Raise
Interested Federal Employee DHS Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:58 AM
2% is fine as long as the rest of the withholdings out of the Federal pay check go lower (as has been stated) or at least stay at current levels. The historic 2.7%, 3.9% increases do sound good but what I feel the rest of America does not see is that social security or insurance or both have increased right along with the COLA's.
I guess all in all it's a heck of alot better than sitting out there holding a sign..
Pay Raise for 2010
Technical Rural Development Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:58 AM
This will be fair if the Insurance Premiums are in line to do the same thing.
Pay Raise?
Concerned Government Employee USPS Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:59 AM
Given the state of our economy, any pay increase for government workers might be viewed skeptically and with concern by those that are out of work—especially those that are unemployed because of private sector layoffs and downsizing.
Proposed pay raise
Engineer Dept of Army Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:59 AM
I, at least, am not surprised at the proposed pittance increase. Federal employees are an easy target, for presidents, congressmen/senators, and demagogues in general, and have been for decades now. We should be used to it.
You may characterize our recent raises as "pretty good," but compared to what? Remember the Pay Comparability Act? It was a joke when passed, and I doubt anyone in Congress ever thought it was anything but an empty gesture, which it has been.
So it isn't just "sacrifice" the president proposes. It's more of the same, using federal pay as a convenient way of telling the voters you're "doing something," when, in fact, it's trivial eyewash for the budget, but very serious business for underpaid feds.
2% Pay Raise
Mister DCMA Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:59 AM
The President and all his cronies can kiss me where the sun doesn't shine. I am tired of not being paid what I'm worth to this country. I have served in war zones lived outside the United States for a number of years to support our country and its military, to be asked again to give up money I need to live because of people like the President attempting to control my life. Enough is enough, No and hell no to the proposed 2% pay raise, its about time this country paid its civil servants what they are due, no less than a 5% pay raise.
2% STINKS
Sick of it. DOD Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:00 AM
Obama is trying to legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The President cannot give to anybody anything that the President does not first take from somebody else. The simulus package was rushed through without due process and is filled with waste. The omnibus bill is filled with waste as well. The taxpayers of this country will pay. So we're suppose to sacrifice to help with this waste. THAT STINKS! Welcome back Carter!
President Asks
IT Specialist USDA Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:01 AM
If somebody asks me to sacrifice, I would say no. My wife just started a job as an IT contractor making 20% more than I do. She has no experience in the IT field, I have 24 years. I am already sacrificing.
As far as the military, their pay is only part of their total package. Base pay for an E5 is the same anywhere. Geographic and job related extra money is not calculated into their base pay, so their pay raise only reflects part. I am retired military, and I remember getting a pay raise but having my BAQ/VHA go down for a net effect of loosing money. Military retire based soley on base pay, where as a GS my locality pay figures into my retirement. Speciality pay would also figure in if I was still in the GS9-11 range.
So I don't expect parity between the two. I just think it is early to ask us to sacrifice, aren't they (the Democrats) fixing the economy?
Re: President Asks
IT Specialist USDA Fri Feb 27, 2009 10:28 AM
So let me understand your logic. You're upset that your wife is making 20% more than you?! You should be happy that she is able to land a job making more than you. I don't think anyone here would be upset that their spouse brings home the bacon. Leave your male pride out of the equation. If you don't like your Government job....then quit! After all, since your wife just landed a job, you shouldn't have any problems locating a job yourself. Ungrateful individuals!!! Just remember, your Republicans put us here in the first place!
2% Pay Raise
revenue agent dept of treasury Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:01 AM
I would not mind not getting a raise in 2010. I hope all of us are willing to give up a little so as a whole we (the USA) are better. I feel blessed that I have a job and by not getting a raise someone else may be able to get or keep a job. If we all have something, that's better than a few having a lot and many having nothing. It's time for American to look out for other American. May God bless all humans.
Re: 2% Pay Raise
also a revenue agent dept of treasury Fri Feb 27, 2009 11:12 AM
So go live in a communist country. That way, everyone will be the same.
2010 Pay Raise
Retired Internal Revenue Service Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:03 AM
Federal employees have nothing to complain about. Considering all of the pay/ benefits they receive and the amount of work that they actually do on the job - they should be giving money back. What Pres. Obama is proposing is very generous considering what the private sector is going through right now. Wake up and smell the flowers folks - you don't know how good you have it.
pay raise
Program Manager FAA Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:03 AM
Although I support a smaller pay raise in these tough economic times, as I near the end of my career, the impact of a small raise will remain with me the rest of my life as it affects my retirement pay.
Is it possible, when times improve, for those whose "average high three salaries" were decreased by small raises, to have some parity with what would have happened under regular conditions? We already lost 30 - 45% of our nest eggs, so this compounds our problems.
Re: pay raise
Diversity Manager DOL Sat Feb 28, 2009 3:25 PM
Its called a COLA that no one in the real world gets
2% Pay Raise
Recent Federal Retiree Formerly with the IRS Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:04 AM
As a former federal employee and recent retiree, I am ashamed to read so many of these selfish posts from federal employees. The Commerce Department just reported that the GNP fell by more than 6% in the last quarter. There is real economic misery in the country. Anyone getting a raise in these times should consider themselves very fortunate indeed. I am thankful for receiving a very good pension. I think more of the posters should count their blessings and think of those less fortunate folks losing their jobs and taking real pay cuts.
Pay raise
Agriculture Managment Farm Service Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:05 AM
Federal employees sacrifice every year based upon the Administrations latest whim. I see no need to pay the mortgage of those unable or unwilling to pay their obligations. Don't blame the loan officer, blame the folks who signed on the dotted line.
Blame the politicians who allowed loans with interest rates lowered with a subsidy. Blame the politicians who encouraged "no money down" loans.
We Federal employees should not be made to suffer and "sacrifice" when we only carry out politically correct policy.
Where is John Galt when we need him?
Fed Employees Pay Raise
Secretary NASA Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:06 AM
I realize the prez is new to the job and a learning curve is to be expected; but he must be confusing me with the "double digit" employees. That is to say; I am only a '6' and barely make (let alone CLEAR) $50,000.
As to the comment above about the pay raise "...which you are not entitled to..." How dare you!! Every worker expects pay raises in order to maintain a certain the COST of livng. Are you working without that expectation? How generous of you.
How about we compromise and only those who are SES, GS 13's and above take the hit? How are GS 2, 3, 4's, et al EXPECTED to spend much less live without this pay raise?
I'll tell you now, if I don't receive this; I will cut back my spending even further. I'll have no choice. (and for spite)
And just as an FYI to "SSA" - that pay raise also factors the health insurance increase each year as well as just the general cost of living. It isn't strictly a "Raise" in the usual sense.
Re: Fed Employees Pay Raise
LR Retired Wed Mar 11, 2009 10:28 AM
I am tired of the blatant hatred of wealth perpetually on the rise in this county. I came from a family without money or degrees and worked dillegently through seven years of higher education (for which I am still paying) so that I could make a better life for myself and my family. I have made very deliberate choices in my life to advance in my education and career. Why I am less deserving of a decent salary than an individual who encumbers a position at a lower GS level? What ever happened to rewarding work and personal responsibility? Why is it acceptable to punish personal responsibility and success and reward poor decision-making? I don't care whether it is the individuals who purchased houses that they could not afford or American auto manufacturers that think they should be bailed out for their horrible corporate decisions - its rewarding bad decision-making.
I'm sorry, but all I see is jealousy and Marxist tendencies displayed in a very ugly way.
President's Proposed 2% 2010 Pay Increase
Manager OIG, USPS Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:06 AM
We are asked to pay more taxes and receive less pay and benefits.
For those of you that wanted change and hope you now have it -- hoping for some change.
2% = $900 / 26 = $34 pay period
Tech DOD Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:10 AM
Wow, an extra 1/2 tank of gas every two weeks. Thanks Obama! How about getting rid of that brand new multi-million dollar helicopter to show "you're in this with us"! Better yet, why don't you trot on down to the Treasury and deposit the excess funds from your election campaign to show you're willing to sacrifice as well?
Pay Raise
Attorney IRS Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:13 AM
Of course I would love to get a higher raise. But in these troubled economic times, when so many fellow Americans are suffering so much financial loss, I am willing to accept a smaller raise. At least we're getting something. Many others have been laid off or taken pay cuts. Truthfully, I too was expecting a pay freeze.
Surprise and Not Partisan?
Analyst USDA Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:14 AM
Rubbish the issue of pay raises is NOT partisan. Now that we have Nobama as our leader, the unions are willing to roll over and allow a different military and civilian pay raise. WHO CARES WHY? This shows the corrupt nature of unions who are in bed with Nobama. Period. Civilian Feds should accept no less than the raise afforded military. Why should they? So they can fund an unfunded project so bold as universal free health care to all who do not work or illegal aliens? REJECT NOBAMA who soon will be known as the worst President in US History.
Pay raise
Worker Bee DOJ Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:15 AM
As I live within my means, don't support my adult childern (they were taught to live on their own), have no problem with a 2% raise. Indeed I feel fortuneate to have a good paying job. ( I came from the corporate sector which is brutal)
However, I expect my elected representatives to get rid of pork barrel politics and start managing our country in a responsible manner. That means no more corporate welfare, no more doing what's best for the party. Start doing what's best for the country.
I would agree if...
Eng DOD Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:19 AM
He can tell me that my healthcare premiums will not increase by more than the amount of the raise, in effect, resulting in a pay CUT. Pay freezes and lower raises are great, but we all know they will go up at least 4%, just like last year.
Pay Parity
financial products specialist IRS Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:22 AM
Although it would seem appropriate that Federal civilian employees "do their part" in this economic crisis, any break from pay parity between civilian employees and the military sets a bad precedent for future developments.
Pay Raise
IT Supervisor FSA Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:26 AM
I have no problem if I did not get any pay raise. I think the military should do the same.
I also feel that any in the SES grade structure should not get bonuses for thousand of dollars either. Will that happen? I will hear that these kind of people need to be paid so we can get good people. Most of those people are not that important and the agencies would function fine without them
Raise?
Civil Engineer VHA Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:26 AM
I'd gladly give up the 2010 raise - except for the fact that as you can see the Fed worker is being asked to help pay for the $Billions pork bill that congress just passed and no one has really read.
PUBLIC LEADERS SACRIFICE
SOCIAL WORKER HEALTHCARE Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:26 AM
what about congress? don't they get an automatic 10% annually? didn't they pass a law so they don't even have to vote on it every year??
i dont mind cutting back for my children and grandchildren's future... but i also think congress and senate should lead the way. leadership by example... you know... weren't our first representatives considered "public servents?" they had a regular job and came to washington to represent their state.... what happened to good leadership? lead by example... as for the military they are way overdue for another big pay raise... congress needs to cut theirs and give to our military families!!!
Re: PUBLIC LEADERS SACRIFICE
QA Small Agency Fri Feb 27, 2009 11:56 AM
I am a fed, military spouse and veteran. I would ONLY support a military pay raise for E1s- E3s. These are the families trying to get welfare, part-time jobs, living in the "ghetto" areas of the base (although some MILCON has brought housing a long way since I lived onbase), etc. The military receives good money - how they spend it is a different story. Don't feel sorry for the entire military - the junior ones suffer the most. Don't get me wrong - I understand the sacrifices, deployments, etc - been there, done that! However, there is a certain group of grade levels that are really struggling - even with all the military perks.
Re: PUBLIC LEADERS SACRIFICE
Thorn in the Side DOD Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:27 PM
Congress has voted itself NO raise in 2010.
It's Still A Raise
Attorney SSA Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:32 AM
If the WORST thing that happens to federal employees next year is that we only get a 2% pay RAISE, I really don't think we can complain much. I work on disability claims filed by Americans faced with incredibly dire circumstances, and I am very thankful to have a stable job with good benefits.
Re: It's Still A Raise
Analyst USDA Fri Feb 27, 2009 10:24 AM
Of all the silly notions. I have a sister in law who lost her job. Last year I gave her a car. How the hell is holding our raises DOWN to 2 percent helping her? It doesn't.
This is just bologna so he can show hes trying to hold the line all the while he is spending TRILLIONS on his initiatives.
Wake up.
Re: It's Still A Raise
Attorney SSA Tue Mar 3, 2009 8:32 AM
Hey USDA Analyst - Be sure to tell your unfortunate sister who lost her job that you are whining because you're only getting a 2% raise next year. I bet she would give anything to be in your shoes. I would think having someone so close to you facing dire economic circusmtances might make you realize how lucky you are. I guess not.
2% is better than nothing
Program Specialist ACF Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:36 AM
I was afraid we would get no raise like when Reagan was President. I suffered greatly under the Reagan administration. I had just gotten married, bought a house with a 12.4% three year balloon mortgage. A 30 year fixed rate mortgage would have been 16-20%. And now we have people losing their homes with unbeliebably low interest rates. So many are guilty of excess. I've lived frugally, staying in the same little house I was able to afford 27 years ago. No vacations to Disney World either. So, yes, I am angry that I am asked to sacrifice. But, what alternative do I have? I should have been retired by now, but my TSP is worth less than the sum total of my contributions. I'll hang in a little longer and hope to boost my retirement income. And despite their protestations I'll bet most of us feds will stay a little longer. Let's all hope the stimulus plan works and our country gets back on its feet.
Re: 2% is better than nothing
IT Specialist DOD Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:30 PM
You weren't suffering under Reagan. You were still suffering from Carter. Much like the next President will suffer from Obama. However Obama is suffering from what his own party did with Freddie and Fannie which everyone seems to forget caused this mess.
Re: 2% is better than nothing
Wkr Fed Govt Fri Feb 27, 2009 2:52 PM
You suffered greatly under President Reagan?! He gave us the biggest pay adjustment in the past 30 years.
Re: 2% is better than nothing
op supe faa Sat Feb 28, 2009 10:19 PM
and Reagan gave me a job! The PATCO guys hate him because he did what he said he would do. He fired their as#@s and replaced them with me. Best job I've ever had AND I'm way overpaid. Not complaining, just feeling blessed.
Re: 2% is better than nothing
Eng DOD Mon Mar 2, 2009 8:12 AM
"but my TSP is worth less than the sum total of my contributions."
Did you do nothing over those years but sit on the returns and trust to "buy and hold?" I am having trouble finding anyone but YOU to blame for not being able to retire.
IT Specialist is right, those early 80's economic conditions were a direct result of the Carter years. If you won't accept responsibility for your own problems, at least blame the right people.
Unbelievable
Federal Employee SSA Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:38 AM
Has everyone forgotten? This is not really a pay raise; it's a COLA! Given Obama's goals for increases in personal productivity and efficiency to support all of his lofty government initiatives, we should at least be given a COLA that will equate to the likely upcoming inflation increase, and also one that is equal to the military's COLA. Our government pay - even including benefits - has CONSISTENTLY lagged far behind what we could earn in the private sector. We even have a law on the books that is supposed to equalize it, and every year, we let that opportunity pass b/c we know the toll it would take on the budget to actually fund it. Perhaps all of those private-sector employees should've been taking better care of their larger take-home pay amounts, and should've been setting aside sufficient funds to handle an economic situation like this, as my family has. And, before you assume, I was a private sector employee until 2001....
Problem I have is the Predicate for the Request
Analyst USDA Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:38 AM
If, and I mean, IF, the reduced raise were REALLY being used to do some good,,, such as helping those less fortunate,,, then maybe. Problem is there is NO connection. Its predicated on the belief that because some, and I mean some, are less fortunate, we all should be less fortunate. That somehow makes it all better somehow. Its preposterous. If this logic were taken to its ultimate conclusion, no one could ever succeed or fail unless all did. What rubbish. I can't stand these socialists.
The other problem with Nobamas proposal and the unions going along with it is that it helps perpetuate the myth that we are not really paid for what we do; rather, we should be thankful for these salaries (even though we are) because they are benevolenece bestowed upon us from the great one (Nobama). What about pay for performance and work.
Vote these libs out! They are wolves in sheep cloaks.
2% Pay Raise in 2010
Engineer DOI Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:41 AM
Ralph,
Have a question on the 2010 2% raise. Is this another "Average?" The Average employee will get 2%; with some getting 5% and others getting 0%? Just trying to keep it straight in my mind. Personally, I'll be happy to keep my job, but it would be nice if the pay can keep up with the deductions (Health Insurance, for example).
Sacrafices
IT Specialist USDA Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:48 AM
As a federal employee I am blessed to have a job and with that said, I realize that we all need to sacrafice at a critical time in our nation.
I think a 2% raise is tolerable in comparison to getting the dreaded pick slip.
Re: Sacrafices
Clerk DOI Sat Feb 28, 2009 1:55 PM
I agree with you. I many years in private sector, minimum-wage jobs from which one could be fired at any time without being given a reason. Now I have a job for which they give me a raise every year just because it's the procedure. I can live with 2%.
I am a Peasant!!!
Fed Peasant DOD Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:50 AM
I am a peasant and I will always be!!! That's my lot in life, as a government worker.
Not Stimulated
Say What? DOD Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:54 AM
2% will hardly help stimulate the economy.
2010 Pay Raise Proposal
Retired Navy DON Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:57 AM
Government employees should be thankful for having such a secure job in our current (recession), to receive any possible raise, bonus, step increase would be great. With more than 6 percent of our country out of work, businesses struggling and banks failing, retirement accounts down 40 percent, stock market down by half from it’s high and foreclosures running crazy, we can’t just go on with business as usual. I believe we can forgo the trivia of a 2% pay raise which is not an automatic guarantee.
2010 2.0% proposed pay raise
Assistant FAA Fri Feb 27, 2009 10:00 AM
I think President Obama should rethink this smaller pay raise for government civilian employees. WE are the ones who are supporting him in his endeavors as president, WE are the ones who carry out HIS wishes and WE are the ones who need to be recognized for our efforts. Time and again we are told that we are BEHIND the private sector in pay raises and all of a sudden he thinks we are AHEAD of the private sector? PLEASE be reasonable; we need to be fairly treated and recognized for our work not treated like second class citizens.
Pay Raise for federal retirees and GPO
Retired Unit Coordinator Dept. of Veteran Affairs Fri Feb 27, 2009 10:11 AM
I would like to know if President Obama is proposing a pay raise for federal retirees and if so, how much.
I also would like to know if the GPO will be revived so those of us who don't get their full social security benefits will start getting what we need and deserve.
Re: Pay Raise for federal retirees and GPO
Diversity Manager DOL Sat Feb 28, 2009 3:32 PM
If you have 160 quarters in you'll get full SS and there won't be an offset. Of course if you only contribute to SS for 10 years you should be getting $0
Typical
Head, Mind Reader DoD Fri Feb 27, 2009 10:14 AM
Government employees are always asked to sacrifice during bad times (lower raises) and it’s understandable. However, in this case with all the money being spent to stimulate the economy one would think there would be plenty available for hard working civil servants. I guess the multimillion dollar big wig financial and auto industry execs are the only ones who are getting their wallets stimulated under the current rules of engagement. It makes me sick! If the president says zero raise for federal employees that’s fine with me as long as everyone including active duty military are treated the same way. As an offset, he should prevent health insurance and other benefit rates from increasing and covered services from being cut/reduced. Has anyone noticed the huge increase in out of pock expenses for medications the Blue Cross Blue Shield federal plan passes to employees for 2009. It makes me sick…so I’m glad to still have health benefits.
Re: Typical
Diversity Manager DOL Sat Feb 28, 2009 3:33 PM
Why?? You do less than 20% of what an average GI does every year. So to be fair their raise should be 10%
2% Pay Raise, it is better than nothing
Technical Information Specialist Department of the Army Fri Feb 27, 2009 10:18 AM
I just hope if we have a 2% raise, then the Congress will follow through with their own 2% or even less raise. That would show the entire country that they are willing make sacrifices too.
I'm grateful I have a job. I have family members who don't. They are living with me and came down to my area of the country to get a job, leaving their house and everything familar because there are not jobs where they own a house. They can barely afford to pay the bills and cannot pay the mortgage if they pay those bills. So if I get a raise or not, that's fine with me, I just want to keep my job and on top of all that, my husband is active duty military on his fourth deployment.
We as a family know about sacrifice and are willing to endure more for this country. Quite gripping.
2% vs 3.5% - not a big deal
IT Specialist GSA Fri Feb 27, 2009 10:18 AM
I am strangely okay with this. I look around and see many without jobs and struggling. A lot of jobs don't provide automatic raises like this and I have always just seen this as a bonus. To me, 2% versus 3.5% is not a huge deal in my paycheck but I can see collectively how much that would add up when you look at the entire federal workforce. If this helps is too all stay put and keep things running then fine with me.
Re: 2% vs 3.5% - not a big deal
HR Spec. VA Fri Feb 27, 2009 4:27 PM
You are right. You know what the difference between the 2% and 3.5% raise equates to? FUNDING FOR RODENT RESEARCH! Read the stimulus package before making these statements. I am amazed at how many people have not read the package. It will make you puke (not all of it, but a lot of parts).
So, using a typical syllogism, you are OK with not getting the difference in the pay raise because the money is used to fund Rodent research? You would rather have the money spent on some unneeded pork project instead of on your dinner table?
Cool. You must not provide too much value to your agency.
Gotta go now. I am going to go buy a $100,000 property for $300,000 on a 12 % variable rate no interest loan. I need to get something out of this deal. Because so far, I am only paying out.
Re: 2% vs 3.5% - not a big deal
Resource Tech USDA FS Fri Mar 20, 2009 9:47 AM
It might seem that the Rodent Research group spent a bunch in Campaign Contributions across the Democratic board. When you cook pork the fat rises to the surface.
2 Percent into Perpetuity
Analyst USDA Fri Feb 27, 2009 10:18 AM
The proposed 2 percent raise is not based on science. Nobama wants us all to feel ashamed of ourselves that we have jobs. Well even at 7.6 percent unemployment, more than 92 percent of all of us who want to work are. Further, the 2 percent pay raise figures into the long term because once the raise is 2 percent, that raise impacts other raises in the future. And if you are unlucky enough to be a long term older Fed who is already at the top of the steps, this is ALL you will get.
Nobama is a socialist. He will spread no wealth, only misery.
Shame on the unions for allowing this.
AND to call anyone who objects to Nobama selfish is also the epitome of arrogance. This slivering down of a raise will do NOTHING to help the economy. Lets not forget about all these initiatives Nobama wants to create,,, in order to steal from those who have and "give" to those who have not.
Re: 2 Percent into Perpetuity
Clerk DOI Sat Feb 28, 2009 2:00 PM
I merely object to you referring to him as Nobama. Twisting ANY person's name into an insult only serves to diminish the validity of the accompanying remarks.
Do our part even if it's not true
Maintenance Mech DOD Fri Feb 27, 2009 10:19 AM
I know our country is in trouble. I am willing to get less of a pay raise. I am willing to pay more taxes. The problem I have is telling me how I need to be more inline withthe private sector. I took a huge pay cut by leaving my private sector job to work for the government. I had my reasons to work on base, most of which are due to family issues. I had better retirement benefits in my private sector job and for the most part the WG's I work with could make far more money in the private sector, but more than a few choose to work on base for other benefits and a supposed job security. I know I have a good job, I am grateful to work. I also know if I lost my job tomorrow, I could be back at work in a minute, I have skills and a license to do what I do for Uncle Sam on the outside. We are NOT paid inline with the private sector for the work we do. We have other tangible and intagible benefits but as far as pay NOT even close!
2010 Pay Raise
Program Analyst DHS/U.S. Coast Guard Fri Feb 27, 2009 10:20 AM
I wouldn't have been surprised or offended if federal government employees were told that there wouldn't be a pay raise at all in 2010. While we all work hard, many of us (not all, I understand) have job stability and we all have much better health insurance and other benefits than is available to most U.S. workers. My husband has been unemployed for over a year, and it is not for lack of trying. While our family has had to make some cuts in our budget and reduce our rate of retirement savings, I'm thankful that I am a career civil servant right now. In today's fiscal climate and in the face of a huge deficit, we owe it to our children to make some sacrifices.
Say Goodbye to Realistic Pay Raises & Pay Parity
ACO DCMA Fri Feb 27, 2009 10:24 AM
I do my part to support our military by giving 100% at the office. I am grateful to have a job, but our military is grateful to have me, and Civil Servants like me, on the job. I exercise due diligence every day to ensure that our Government pays fair and reasonable prices for Defense Contractor support and that our military gets the products and service it needs, timely. I pay my fair share of taxes. Every day, I support a family AND our economy with my paycheck. Federal Unions are primarily left wing. So, now, not only are we back to 2% or less raises under the Democrats, we are taking steps backward from pay parity initiatives supported by our unions. I expected this lack of committment to support Federal employees and this self serving mentality from both our left wing President and left wing Unions. I am grateful NOT GUILTY to have chosen wisely a job with good benefits.
Feds, expect to consistently be asked to pay for bad choices by the Dems. It's the left wing way!
dual careers
HRA unk Fri Feb 27, 2009 10:28 AM
For couples where both work for the federal government, this small raise wouldn't be so bad. But those who have a spouse who has already lost a job, or about to lose a job, are going to sorely miss a bigger increase.
2010 Pay Raise
Inventory Manager Dept of Homeland Security Fri Feb 27, 2009 10:29 AM
I have no problem with the 2% pay raise. Everyone has to realize this is a major economical crisis in our country. I am thankful for having a job. My only request would be that Congress and others follow suite.
I'm in favor IF ....
IT Specialist USDOT Fri Feb 27, 2009 10:48 AM
I'll support it as long as both the House and the Senate are also required to take a pay CUT. I'm not saying "limit on the cost of living increase", I mean a PAY CUT.
Heaven forbid some congress should have to cut back on his staff and do some work for him/her -self.
How do I get out?
GOV WORKER DoD Fri Feb 27, 2009 11:00 AM
How do I get out of the Union?
Re: How do I get out?
Area Specialist USDA/Rural Development Fri Feb 27, 2009 3:57 PM
You are not required to belong. Tell them you want out and cancel the allocation from your paycheck.
2010 2% pay raise
Manager Forest Service Fri Feb 27, 2009 11:00 AM
I think it's only fair that we shoudler some of the burden. I'm in favor of reducing our pay raise in 2010. After all, we have the most secure jobs in the country.
Re: 2010 2% pay raise
Engineering Tech DOD Fri Feb 27, 2009 3:27 PM
guess manager forest service does not remember base closures?
where we lost everything that we worked 20 years for on the heels of a hurricane ( think Hugo) federal employees are always the whipping boys.....
and remember in the old pie chart - DOD is the biggest slice so that is where they will be cutting - watch and see....let's see Gage and Hoyer Porky Pig their way out of this Thats All folks
What about the [Hidden Gov't] Contractors
Contracting Officer DOI Fri Feb 27, 2009 11:19 AM
As long as those contractors we work alongside can have the contracts we've issued -- with GSA APPROVED four to five percent increases -- most of which goes to overhead and profit of the Firms "do nothing" owners RESCINDED, I might think about it.
All I see is more work to spend the "Recovery Act" funds with no plans to supplement an already depleted and overworked procurement workforce!
Reads like, "take from the poor, give to the wealthy, " to me!
2.0% Pay Raise
Consultant HHS Fri Feb 27, 2009 11:20 AM
I doubt that the 2% raise will become fact. Obama owes the fed unions for his support and he will cave. The three feds that actually passed Econ 101 and voted for this turkey anyway must be steaming. The rest get what htey deserve.
pay raise history
Analyst IRS Fri Feb 27, 2009 11:21 AM
I would be interested in seeing information about what exactly was the average federal pay raise each year, for say the last 40 to 50 years. And then a comparison of that to the yearly inflation rate. I've been in federal service for close to 30 years. A couple of years ago I did a portion of this sort of fact gathering I'm talking about, but could only go back so far with the pay raise info. I was surprised by which party running (ruining) the administration (Demo or Repub) was the more generous.
Obama and Federal Pay Increase
Supervisor Forest Service Fri Feb 27, 2009 11:25 AM
NO to Obama and his plan to only allow 2% pay increase to federal employees. I do not want to be the sacrificial lamb to pay for his stimulas package. I earn my money and deserve the increase; and to keep up with the increasing prices of food, gas, rent, etc. I am already cuttiing back. I did not donate to the CFC last year. Has he cut the salaries of all the CEOs in the banking industry? How about cutting off the spending of Pelosi? She spends $120k a week going to and from CA to DC. That, for you Obama voters, is $480K a month, at the very least, for her private non-stop plane. First one to have her own private plane paid for by the taxpayers. Let Obama start cutting at the TOP. NO, I am not going to be a sacrificial lamb for his outrageous spending.
Re: Obama and Federal Pay Increase
Resource Tech USDA FS Fri Mar 20, 2009 10:27 AM
Thank you for the aggressive reply as a USDA FS Supervisor. I will appreciate the annual COLA at whatever rate is determined for 2010. I worked as a County employee for 8 years at $6 to $10 per hour and we rarely received a COLA. Step Increases were few and far between, too.
I am a GS-6 Resource Tech and am thankful for an annual COLA and Step Increases as entitled.
Many comments have been made about the Stimulus spending and Economic Crisis. My theory is to pay yourself FIRST.
I will be doubling my TSP deposit to $600 per pay period into the G Fund and will be living on approximately $1000 per month. My taxable income will decrease and I will hopefully not have to pay in more taxes for 2009 returns.
My hope is that I will have funds in TSP when I retire and the taxes I will have to pay will be affordable. For now I do not want to pay the high taxes we will be required to pay for 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012...... until there is a new Administration.
Two Percent is better than nothing . . .
Contracting Officer DOI Fri Feb 27, 2009 11:25 AM
Two Percent is better than nothing as long as the "BAILED OUT" Insurance companies are restricted to the same two percent increased when the next Insurance OPEN SEASON comes aroung.
Even this year's 3.9% Pay Increase is a joke when most of it goes to cover the ten to 15 percent Health Insurance premium increases!
Work for the Gov't and go broke slowly!
Pay Raise
Technical FSA Fri Feb 27, 2009 11:27 AM
How about freezing pay raise at GS-8 and above.Lower tiered do not make that much. Not so easy for the lower Grades to forfiet!
2% pay raise
Manager Forest Service Fri Feb 27, 2009 11:28 AM
I am so ashamed and appalled at the self-centered and mis-informed comments I've read from the most fortunate group of people in the country right now. I hope no one from the private sector can read these comments, they are shameful. While the rest of the country is suffering (many in my own family, through no fault of their own, thank you) you all can only think of yourselves. Thank God this isn't World War II when sacrifice was asked of every American. You self-entitled people would have assured our loss of the war.
Re: 2% pay raise
Analyst IRS Tue Mar 3, 2009 12:20 PM
How can you catogorize the commentors into "the most fortunate and self-centered"? We ARE working American's we just happen to work for the Fed Gov't. Yes, some folks in the Country are suffering but so are your fellow employees. What about our spouses that have lost their jobs, what about our children that are missing out on college....I actually HAD to have my daughter take this year off because of finances. So NO I'm not self-centered and selfish, I just want to get paid for what I do and cover my daily living expenses. I haven't asked the government for a hand-out and I won't but I've worked hard for the last 22 years, I've lost almost 1/2 of my TSP, my insurance premiums are $300 a month for BC/BS family and they reduced their coverage. Before you are quick to put us down remember, we have families too and the paltry raise is much needed. We have economic woes as well.
2% Raise
Accountant DoD Fri Feb 27, 2009 11:34 AM
Too bad so many feel the need to complain about a RAISE in salary. State workers here in Ohio will have to endure furloughs while some city folk are already laid off.
So, federal workers, stop complaining and consider yourselves fortunate to be in a pretty good position during these hard economic times. Otherwise, if this raise causes so much misery, I would suggest that you seek other employment.
2010 Pay Raise
Labor Relations Officer Department of the Army Fri Feb 27, 2009 11:35 AM
I would not take issue with such a small pay raise if everything else didn't go up as well...When Health Insurance and Life Insurance increases, then I'm lagging way behind. As far as being on "par" with the private sector, while our benefits package may be better, our salaries, at least in my filed are not on par. However, I'm willing to take a lower pay adjustment for the "greater good". Just make sure my Health Insurance premiums and my out of pocket expenses don't shoot up.
Re: 2010 Pay Raise
Diversity Manager DOL Sat Feb 28, 2009 3:40 PM
Based on what logic can you make that statement?? Feds average $117K a year and avg on the outside is $55K. So unless you are some computer genius your paid much better than someone on the outside
Re: 2010 Pay Raise
Locutus Borg Mon Mar 2, 2009 9:47 AM
Divisity Manager, where did you get your info that "Feds average $117K a year"? According to an article published in the Federal Times last June, "Federal workers were paid an average salary of about $69,000 last year." http://www.federaltimes.com/index.php?S=3589053
Re: 2010 Pay Raise
hr manager USDA Mon Mar 2, 2009 9:52 AM
The $117,000 is the total average federal employee compensation package cost including health insurance, leave, salary, and other benefits. This article is a year older but shows an average of $116,000: http://www.fedsmith.com/article/1680/
Re: 2010 Pay Raise
Working Drone DoD Wed Mar 4, 2009 11:15 AM
So, for a true comparison, the benefit package for the private sector should be added to that $55K.
Federal Pay Raise
Housing Specialist HUD Fri Feb 27, 2009 11:41 AM
I wish people would quit saying "the average federal pay raise" when that is so untrue - those of us who are caught up in the "rest of the USA" don't get anywhere near the "average federal pay raise!!!!!"
Pay
Manager USDA Fri Feb 27, 2009 11:56 AM
Many of the comments posted here illustrate what many are saying - we have become a nation of whiners. To those of you complaining - if working for the federal government is to terrible, no one is forcing you to remain in your job. Please feel free to quit and share your wonderful talents with the private sector. I am sure they will reward you greatly.
We are in a crisis of historic proporations, and to hear the simplistic moaning and crying from many here is very discouraging. There are no easy solutions, and frankly no one, even the leading economists of the world, are certain what will work and what won't. What is certain, is that anyone who has a stable job and benefits should be extremely greatful.
Re: Pay
Manager? USDA Fri Feb 27, 2009 4:09 PM
Do you realize you are whining about whiners? And its proportions, not proporations. Manager.
This bologna about using the Fed pay raise as a chip to convince folks he is holding a line on budget is insulting. That is not a whine, Manager, its a fact.
He could quit spending some of the trillions on his Stalinist agenda,,,, and printing money,,, then the unfortunate would be better off.
Manager.
Wow, what a Manager!
Re: Pay
Budget Analyst Small Agency Mon Mar 2, 2009 9:32 AM
Manager? 4:09
If you're going to be snarky about grammar, at least make sure your entire post is grammatically correct.
Leaving the apostrophe out of "its" indicates it's a possessive form rather than a contraction. There should also be a comma, not a period, after "proporations"
You'll also need to review your history if you think Obama is trying to implement a "Stalinist agenda". I see no effort on his part to dictate production or consumption of goods and services. Perhaps you've confused it with "nationalization". It's hard to tell since you wrote nothing of substance or value.
2%
Accounting Tech DHC, ICE Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:04 PM
I have not got a step increase because I have maxed out and now only 2%. This is the only thing I get.
Yes the a freeze of White House senior staff pay is more then called for and I aggree that upper fed should also give up there raise to help.
Two Percent But .....
Logistics DOD Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:22 PM
.. the issue goes well beyond merely the issue of a 2% raise. As many have already commented, 1) federal employees have always sacrificed themselves or been held out as sacrifical lambs; 2) the equation is certainly not balanced between what is being handed out freely to the irresponsibe vs. those who bust their buts every day to continue to make this country great; 3) greed and political stupidity is what got us where we are economically; 4) those who have achieved moderate success for themselves/their families through their own hard work & sound financial practices - like saving for a rainy day - are now being penalized and looked upon as the enemy; 5) all "his" friends are now the benefactors of all hard-working & honest American citizens. Dare I say it? I don't think "he" is an American. "He" is a sell-out. As a nation, we are greater then "him" so we will survive. He is a one-term mistake. GOP Congressional staff are also learning that the writing is on the wall.
Re: Two Percent But .....
Computer Specialist USED Tue Mar 3, 2009 11:37 AM
While I agree with most everything you said, I don't think it is correct to say "He" (assume you mean our glorious leader) mislead us. Where he intended to go was out there throughout the campaign, but unfortunately the bulk of the "news" media was not interested in informing the American people. I truly hope our nation will survive the next four years, although I am not at all certain it will not be longer. Once people learn they can avoid responsibility and get money from others via government, it is hard to convince them to give that gravy train up.
Proposed payraise
specialist hhs Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:32 PM
I do not think this has anything to do with support for a candidate as you have made reference to at the end of your article. I think your article is skewed towards bringing about dissension among government employees along political lines. We are in a economic crisis. Everyone has to do their part to get us out of this. Government employees benefits and salaries are pretty good even into retirement and they do not get layed off.
Happy to have a job!
Psychologist VA Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:33 PM
Like most working class folks, I am incensed about the root causes of our current financial debacle. Greed, lack of adequate oversight/regulation, and irresponsible mismanagement by overpaid CEOs come to mind as the main causes. At this point, I feel grateful to have a fairly stable and secure job that pays me a fair living wage. If I "only" get a 2% increase then I can surely live with that. Compared to many Americans, I'm doing fine, thank you. And, I think that giving our military a slightly bigger increase is fitting, especially during times of war.
But, for the author to imply that my vote for President Obama was guided primarily by some concept of tit-for-tat is insulting and suggests we all only want more for ourselves. I work in government because I believe I'm helping our country, and if I "only" get a 2% increase then that's fine. I trust our President to do what he thinks is best for the entire country, not just for me, thank you very much.
Don't have an issue with the 2% raise
Assistant Property Manager GSA Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:50 PM
I completely understand that we ALL have a part to play in this recovery. While I can keep a roof over my head with that 2%, there are people in the private sector who have had to seek out public assistance just to keep from living on the street or not being able to feed their children. I'm an adult. I have no problem in sacrificing for the greater good.
And if Obama had proposed this during the 'wining and dining' of the federal unions, I would still have been alright with it. I probably would have thought higher of him for being honest with the federal community.
2% raise
analyst dod Fri Feb 27, 2009 1:17 PM
oh hale to the messiah, Obama, as he rules and reigns with incompetence with poliburo Pelosi and Prince Harry
Re: 2% raise
Budget Analyst Small Agency Mon Mar 2, 2009 9:35 AM
What do you suppose the McCain/Palin solution would have been?
What I can't believe is that so many people seem to have forgotten that it was 8 years of George Bush that got us where we are today!
Proposed 2% pay raise in 2010
Agreement specialist Forest Service Fri Feb 27, 2009 1:45 PM
As a Federal employee, I have no problem accepting a pay raise of 2% next year. Not only are we fortunate to have jobs and regular paychecks, but it's appropriate for those of us in government to do our part. It's a small sacrifice. With unemployment in our area nearing 14% I'm grateful that I've even got a job, let alone one that will include a small pay raise next year.
2010 Proposed Pay Raise
Policy Analyst SBA Fri Feb 27, 2009 1:58 PM
I think it is important that we all share in the solution to this mess. The tone of this administration is YES WE CAN!!! That means we all will have to do our part - Federal Employees Included
Re: 2010 Proposed Pay Raise
Investigator DOL Fri Feb 27, 2009 6:06 PM
Well said!
TOO BAD I CAN'T PLAY SPORTS
worker us govt Fri Feb 27, 2009 2:12 PM
A defensive tackle just signed a contract for 7 years at $100 Million dollars, whats his name in LA (Dodgers)turned down a $40 Million 2 year deal because it wasn't enough.
These types of payouts affect (or is it effect) us all as much as CEO payments. I will not be made to feel guilty because of job security or annual raises. I wish everyone a raise, but if we all are expected to bite the bullet ,it includes athletes and actors.
Re: TOO BAD I CAN'T PLAY SPORTS
Emp Fed Govt Fri Feb 27, 2009 3:17 PM
I had the same thoughts about all those (Democrat) actors that put him high on the pedestal. I think they, to include OPRAH, should all forego any pay over $500K, just like the President mandated for the CEOs. Hmmmmm, what would they say then????????
2% Pay Raise
Investigator DOL Fri Feb 27, 2009 2:14 PM
There are people in the private sector having their hours and/or pay reduced so none of their coworkers are laid off. Please don't cry because you're "only" getting a 2% raise. In these days and times, I think this raise is more than generous--but then again, I care about the entire country, not just myself.
Re: 2% Pay Raise
ELR Spec. VBA Fri Feb 27, 2009 4:20 PM
If you care about the entire country, write a check to the IRS. Teh stimulus package contains money to study freakin rodents pal! How is that helping the country. In fact, I opine it hurts the country since it is a complete waste.
Read teh legislation before you post here on what you infer is principle. Lack of knowledge in a position is not analagous to principle.
Undeserved Raise
Diversity Manager DOL Fri Feb 27, 2009 2:18 PM
There isn't a single post talking about what CS are going to do to justify the raise... This is another raise based on attendance. Unless there is increased efficiency to offset the cost the taxpayers are being screwed again. No where else in the world other than Cuba can you go where people get a raise for doing nothing.
All this is is another bailout for CS
Double Standards
Brian SSA Fri Feb 27, 2009 2:22 PM
The Union makes me sick, Had Bush attempted this over the last 4 yrs the Union would have been up in arms...
The fact that they fully support this and even the difference between military and civilian only proves the agenda... I will be leaving the union!!!!!!!!
I don't mind at all taking a hit, its the politics that sickens me... It's so blatently in your face...
Pay raise
Physician VA Fri Feb 27, 2009 2:31 PM
Yeah - works for me AS LONG AS THEY keep FED BCBS, vision & dental & MEDCO from going up
Re: Pay raise
Diversity Manager DOL Sat Feb 28, 2009 3:44 PM
Don't go to the doctor and it won't
OH where has my Steny Hoyer gone????
Engineering Tech DOD Fri Feb 27, 2009 2:32 PM
You always talk avg pay raise. Do the math! The rest of the US always gets less pay. If we did a break down of total government employees, I bet the biggest group would be the combined rest of the US. By changing the way of computation years ago (starting with Clinton), they figured out a way that they could give the big fat locality pay raises to the high concentrations of FEDS in the big cities ( hence votes). In 2007, rest of the US ended up with a 1.8% raise. In 2010 we probably wil get 0.8%. I work in a office with military ( a chief is my boss). They always get raises bigger than mine. They get bonus money for re-enlistments that they can roll over in the TSP. They get extra pay for housing etc. When they retire, they hire in as civilians drawing their military retirement and GS-12 pay. They and their wives drive huge SUVs, take exotic vacations, have $300,000 homes with inground pools. They work 8 hr shifts, are off the weekends and complain about it. OH STENY!!
Re: OH where has my Steny Hoyer gone????
Claims Rep SSA Sat Feb 28, 2009 1:47 PM
I don't know who the THEY are other than the military, but THEY would have to be at least generals to make your allegations correct.
But lets entertain the idea that these are not generals but just military folks in general.
That would make you stupid for not joining the military then wouldn't it?
That is, if what you said was true of course.
But since you did not join the military to get the same astronomically higher benefits that you allege, then we can be pretty sure that you are just whining and slamming the military for selfish interests and have a victim mentality.
2% proposed pay raise in 2010
Revenue Officer IRS Fri Feb 27, 2009 2:33 PM
Thanks for the newly elected lying democrate president, already giving us the shaft 2 months into his office
True THAT!!!!
Retired Supervisor DISA Fri Feb 27, 2009 2:34 PM
Everything here has some truth to speak.
*Feds don't know how good they have it.
*Military might deserve more.
*Obama has his head under a rock.
*We're paying for those who have failed miserably.
*Congress is the ones who deserve a pay cut!!!
What the heck do you do with all this truth? Merely demonstrates that we've built a house that's hard to live in. The responsible have the right to scold the irresponsible but we all pay in the end. There are only painful answers now, but we are not yet willing to face that. Regardless how you managed your own affairs Congress and (several) administrations ‘slept at the wheel’ and now we are in the bar ditch, DEEP. Once the “historically challenged” figure out wheels don’t have traction at high-center, we can take our medicine by starting the long walk home, through bank failures, foreclosures and personal bankruptcies. Too bad we’ll soak ourselves deeper in debt till then.
Re: True THAT!!!!
Claims Rep SSA Mesa AZ Sat Feb 28, 2009 2:26 PM
Best post I've read.
There is no magic pill. Just like the Great Depression, the more the government does, the more the pain is softened, but the worse it is in the long run.
Choose your pain and consequences. Do you want it all at once? Or do you want to pay for it over time WITH INTEREST? And how much interest (pain) do you want to pay? Do you want to pay for it twice?
We can let those who did the worst suffer the worst, or we can suffer equally together. Personally, I prefer to suffer for my own mistakes and let others suffer for theirs.
I cannot get away from sharing their pain, and I do not necessarily want to. But what I will never agree with is having government assign suffering to me that justly belongs to another.
The economy is in near ruin. It is truly unconscionable that we should get any pay raise at all.
But I also don't believe I should give money to banks or homeowners which they don't have to pay back. It's immoral!
What about the bailouts?
Bean Counter DOD Fri Feb 27, 2009 3:11 PM
If we weren't spending so much to bail out companies that don't deserve it, we wouldn't need to sacrifice anything! WAKE UP PEOPLE! Let the market do its thing and correct itself by the natural process of businesses that can't compete going under.
They Still Don't Get It
Wkr Fed Govt Fri Feb 27, 2009 3:12 PM
Fedsmith, can you post the article AGAIN for all these commentors lamenting about the the cost of living? Hey folks, we don't get a COST OF LIVING ADJUSTMENT every year, so stop with the all "facts" about how much everything costs! If that was the case, we wouldn't be getting anything.
Above article
HR Specialist OPM Fri Feb 27, 2009 3:19 PM
What is most interesting about all this is the muted tone taken by the Federal workers' vaunted protectors, the Federal unions. Had President Bush had the temerity to propose such a deal, teh fireworks would have reverberated from here to Timbuctu and back. Amazing what a change in behavior. It harks back to the Clintoin years when the unions rolled over and played dead in the midst of massive downsizing, refusal to implement the FEPCA pay comparability computation process, put in place the meaningless "partnernership" process, etc. Clinton made the union presidents think they were playing with the big boys, all the while they were being snookered. Perhaps a reprise of that scenario is in the cards.
Sacrifice?
Specialist Rural Development Fri Feb 27, 2009 3:19 PM
Asking government employees to "sacrifice" is kind of a slap in the face when you consider how many politicians have been avoiding their own tax liabilities lately... and they are the ones who will make the calls on our pay increases? How about they start walking the walk instead of just talking the talk? That said, a little increase is better than no increase at all.
Why Not Just Cut the GS Scale in Half?
Specialist USDA Fri Feb 27, 2009 4:14 PM
If holding the COLA to 2 percent is really good for the country, and Federal wages are really nothing more than some form of Govt generosity, as opposed to a payment for services rendered, then why not just immediately cut the GS scale in half? Wouldn't the country just take off economically. And if you did not like it, quit and go to the private sector.
Of course this is all ludicrous,,, just like Nobama Hussein and his Ilk are. This class warfare crap has got to end. Every time this guy opens his trap the markets tank. What have we done to ourselves?
This is a joke
ELR Spec. VBA Fri Feb 27, 2009 4:15 PM
I work hard. I am also considered a top performer in what I do across the board. I find this raise insulting.
First off, compared to my private sector counterparts in the local area, all factors considered, I make ten to thirty thousand less. So, I am now asked to sacrifice so that the government can bailout my neighbor who took out a 12% variable rate loan and inflated his home valuation by 25% (with a wink and nod) so he could immediately take out a HELOC at 10% to finance a Hummer, Harley, pool, and vacation. That's freakin great!
What's more absurd, is how unions took this laying down. Imagine if George Bush tried this lame excuse. The unions would have gone nuts. Therefore, this issue transcends principle as many would have you believe. It is merely politics.
To all those employees who say we should be greatful to have jobs, I say you are most likely a fair performer (at best) and just grateful you are not working at a car wash. Get some skills.
Re: This is a joke
ORA USDA Fri Feb 27, 2009 7:23 PM
So quit and go work in the private sector you egomaniac...........
Re: This is a joke
Woods Mama Trees R Us Sat Feb 28, 2009 11:12 AM
I agree VBA! I regret that I didn't refinance my house for all of the THINGS that I wanted like new cabinets so I don't get splinters when I accidently run my arm on them, new counters, new TV's and a new sports convertible car like my neighbor. He had an $189K mortgage to start, and went up to $355K. The market tanked, so he just took all his goodies in a U-Haul with him and let the house go as he and his wife drove off in their new cars.
I guess if he stayed, the bailout would let him keep his house, keep his goodies and new cars, and reduce the principle on his home! After all! He needs the help with his upsidedownness, not me! SILLY SILLY ME!
And my taxes will be raised to help him and others like him!
Oh well, I just keep prodding along saving for my cabinets and hope they don't fall apart before then.
Re: This is a joke
Claims Rep SSA Sat Feb 28, 2009 1:13 PM
If that were true then you would be in the private sector.
Oh but wait, you are staying with Uncle Sam out of altruistic motives. You are serving your country right?
But wait, if that were true, you wouldn't be complaining about the pay raise.
Do the tax payers (and those of us who may actually have to work with you) a favor and go make $30k more in the private sector - if you can.
Talk about dishonest.
Re: This is a joke
ELR Spec. VBA Sat Feb 28, 2009 8:51 PM
I did not go to private sector because they put me on a maximum retention allowance. I don't get another retention, I will bail for private sector.
It's freaking amazing. Throwing out that altruistic garbage. The only altruistic belief I have is providing for my family. You think the government, as an entity, operates on altruistic motives? You actually think Obama, or any president for that matter, is or was in office based on altruism?
I work for the federal government because they pay me fairly well when you factor in the relative job security. However, the fact of the matter is that if you are a top performer and have an advanced degree, you can pretty much STILL go about anywhere with the exception of the financial industry. Human resources is one of those fields that is always in high demand anyway. Just look at USA jobs. Agencies are falling over each other to recruit seasoned and well qualified HR Specs. You can pretty much punch your own ticket.
Re: This is a joke
Executive Assistant Manufacturing Industry Fri Aug 14, 2009 3:04 PM
1.8 million Federal civilian employees..... 2% x 1.8 mil.
Recession.... lots of lost jobs.... lost industry....new President taking us the brink of disaster with health care reform... Buddy, you better be greatfull you have a job! You are really out of touch with reality.
Get Use to Your Open Wallet you 30 something folks
The mere 2% for Feds is only the beginning of a downward spiral to take more $$$ from productive employees in both public and private sectors. The econ 101 course reads that the more $$$ you put in workers hands the more it will stimulate the economy. I do not agree that hardworking people need to continue to give. The federal worker is not the answer and I resent having to reduce an earned COLA. Same goes for retirees and those on SS. Federal workers and their union officials vote for a different mindset next election--this is not a welfare state nor a socialistic state. For those who cannot pay for what they have and have not planned for a rainy day, they must pay the piper. If you disagree-good luck. I want to leave my children something because the way this is going you 30 something folks will be in the hole for the rest of your days. Wise up and vote these irrational people out next election. Joe the plumber was correct--this is income distribution and I plan to fight every inch
2010 Pay Raise
Police officer DoA Fri Feb 27, 2009 4:47 PM
Sure, no problem on the 2% pay raise in 2010 buy will our health insurance premiums still increase????
2010 Federal Employees Pay Raise
Retired government employee Treasury Dept. Fri Feb 27, 2009 6:06 PM
It would be good if President Obama give larger pay raises to the lower grade federal employees. They need the larger raise more so than the higher grades. Maybe give the higher grades a 2 percent and the lower grades a 3 percent. Everyone need to not only be concerned about themselves. This economy is bad and the government has the right to do whatever is necessary to bring it back on track. Unfortunately, everyone feel the effect of the economy in one way or another.
Re: 2010 Federal Employees Pay Raise
hr manager USDA Fri Feb 27, 2009 6:23 PM
Perhaps we should just ignore grades, education, responsibility and competence and pay everyone exactly the same. In fact, we could arrange a system where the government would review everyone's debts and obligations and pay employees based on how much they really need rather than how much they are actually worth.
How about this as our recruiting motto: "From each federal employees according to his abilities, to each federal employee according to his needs." No doubt, there are a number of folks employed by Uncle Sam who think that is a great idea.
Re: 2010 Federal Employees Pay Raise
HR Spec. DHS Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:44 PM
Wonderful comment from a true Obama Koolaid drinker. So, raises should be determined according to needs. You are the very reason pay for performance will become a reality. If you are unhappy with the pay at your grade, get educated, take on more responsibility and advance.
This "each according to his needs" garbage has got to stop. The Civil Service system is not welfare.
Re: 2010 Federal Employees Pay Raise
hr manager USDA Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:12 PM
Karl Marx's philosophy is apparently alive and well among some of my colleagues in the federal workforce as we can see from the retired treasury Dept. employee. Marx's system didn't work in the Soviet Union--perhaps it will do better among Americans when we complete our transition to a socialist state.
Pay Raise
ORA USDA Fri Feb 27, 2009 7:08 PM
For the 34+ years I have been in Federal service I have always been thankful for any yearly salary increase we have been received. Ask an employee of the local lumber mill, convienience store, KMart/Walmart or other local business when the last time was they got a raise and then shut up about what you're getting !
Re: Pay Raise
HR USDA Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:51 PM
Don't forget, we are way better off than people living in India. Perhaps we should take a 90% pay cut and just be thankful we don't live in Calcutta.
Man, the more I read these boards, the more I am convinced most federal employees believe they provide little to no value to the agency or taxpayer. It's fascinating. All the years of federal employee bashing have really done a number on the workforce. Some thematic comments so far:
-just thankful I have a job
-lower graded employees should be given a higher increase because they need it more
-it could be worse
-we are lucky to get anything
-compared to my neighbor, I am doing alright
Keep it up and next year, we will be facing a straight up pay cut. If this is really how you feel as an employee, you need to really evaluate where you are in life. And another thing, if you spend thirty years in government and retire as a GS-6, that's your fault.
Re: Pay Raise
Claims Rep SSA Sat Feb 28, 2009 1:37 PM
HR USDA,
So being grateful is a bad thing? That should improve the taxpayer's feelings towards federal workers.
No to mention their gratefulness.
Deflation concerns
Valencio http://www.Spryka.com Sat Feb 28, 2009 3:17 AM
With the current scenario where pay is being freezed and there is a real threat of deflation, I believe that the current pay raise may be adequate. It is good to see federal employees going along with this.
Re: Deflation concerns
HR Officer DHS Mon Mar 2, 2009 11:34 AM
Employees do not have a choice except to go along with this. I agree with your consideration of deflation as a mitigating factor concerning the low raise. That may hold true. However, all the traditional economic theories are off the table. Traditional assumptions are no longer applicable. Deflation may not offset the low raise. I cite the current crude oil situation. Drops at the pump are no longer comensurate with supply.
The Annoited One
Civil Servant DOD Sat Feb 28, 2009 6:19 AM
For those of you who voted "The Annoited One" into office - You have done this country a great disservice - Can this country or Wall Street really stand 47 more months of "change"?
Re: The Annoited One
Budget Analyst Small Agency Mon Mar 2, 2009 10:28 AM
Do you think a McCain/Palin solution would have been any better?
Do you think we could stand 4 more years of what we've had for the last 8?
Presidential Sacrifice
Lowly GS Employee DOD Sat Feb 28, 2009 7:33 AM
Obama should practice what he preaches. Turn down the heat in the White House while average Americans are freezing. Don't fire up AF One for a trip to Williamsburg (which is 1.5 hours from DC by car) when average Americans can't buy gas for the family car. And only accept a dollar in salary since he insists CEOs take less and Federal employees take less, and our great military take less.
Fair is fair; where is his sacrifice?
Political Chips or Pawns
County Executive Director FSA Sat Feb 28, 2009 7:48 AM
The reality of it is that regardless who sits in the White House, Federal employees are merely political pawns or chips to be bargained with. Our pay adjustments from year to year have no impact whatsoever on folks who do not have work or who are down and out. But Obama's painting us as greedy unless we go along with his idea of fairness really is arrogant on a lot of levels. Yes, I am thankful I have a secure job. But I work hard and care about what I do. To ask me if I would be willing to take home less now and in the future to help the greater good is somewhat insulting especially since I know the less I take home won't go to anyone in need.
Start Counting The Days...
Humble 50+ Hours A Week Federal Servant VA Sat Feb 28, 2009 9:48 AM
Folks, some of us did this to ourselves by drinking "his" Koolaide. I like the comments here; especially those who have the bigger picture perspective. Of course most of us are appreciative of what we have by our own hard work & dedication to maintain a strong country. And there are tides affecting any economy. Duh. But the greed and political stupidity and now socialist crap being forced down our throats by some one who narcistically thinks he is king & can save the world does not have America's best interests in mind. By my calculations, we only have a little more then 1400+ days remaining of this mess; lets hope we have enough folks standing to clean up afterwards. Maybe I can stimulate the economy by starting to sell shovels 'cause we sure are going to have a lot of shoveling to do after he gets booted out. Please slam and lock the door behind "him" and throw away the key. Thank-you.
At least pretend you are grateful.....
Claims Rep SSA Sat Feb 28, 2009 1:07 PM
...so you don't screw this up for the rest of us!
Considering how blessed we all are with our federal jobs, pay and benefits, I found it rather crass and offensive that we even got a raise at all this year.
Considering that the cost of living will not likely go up this year (or last year), and may have even gone down, why are we even getting one at all?
Considering the state of the economy and the possibility of economic catastrophy that hangs over us, and that so many taxpayers are losing their jobs or becoming underemployed, the idea that we should get any raise at all is just so utterly ludicrous.
And pay parity with the military is so fundamentally flawed that it takes substantial ignorance of both pay systems to even bring it up.
retire
Registered Nurse INDIAN HEALTH SERVICE Sat Feb 28, 2009 1:27 PM
must be time to retire
Who should pick up 2% COLA
LR Manager DoD FAA US Customs Retired Sat Feb 28, 2009 1:48 PM
To those who commented that higher grades should foot more of the bill--that is exactly what BO wants society to do. I say--it's the same across the board as it is now--why do you think that at a grade GS-5 you should get more of a COLA than a GS-12? Do you understand what a COLA is? It sounds like you need to step back and rethink your thoughts--those who worked hard to succeed should not be penalized. If you do not like your GS-5, 6, 7 pay --go to the private sector or better yourself and apply for promotions. Stop this nonsense that those with more $$$ need to foot the bill for all of you who do not have $$$--next election will turn this welfare state mentality--be ashamed.
Federal Pay Raise
retired fed Dept of Energy Sat Feb 28, 2009 4:34 PM
With the current situation, it's only fair that federal employees get a smaller pay raise, after all their jobs are more secure than those in the private sector. The military deserves a larger pay raise because of the sacrifices they are making - multiple deployments, time away from loved one, and risking their lives. In many agencies federal employees are still getting performance awards.
Outrageous
Taxpayer US Public Citizen Sat Feb 28, 2009 6:29 PM
I find it appalling that there is such an entitlement attitude by federal employees. I find it hard to believe the statistics that feds are so underpaid. You all should feel very fortunate that you have a well paying and secure position. To expect, no demand, that the rest of us give you a generous pay raise, when millions are out of work and suffering the pain that you are immune to, is embarassing. If you fell so put upon to have this job and its most generous benefits, then go join the ranks of the unemployed. Get Real feds!!!
I didn't read it all
Just a grunt DOD Sun Mar 1, 2009 11:40 AM
Oh, so many comments to this article that I didn't read them all. Sound familiar? I've worked nearly 28 years in Federal service. I don't think that I should be paying for non-workers. I have a mortgage, I have car payments, I have credit card bills but I have a job to pay them. I don't want to pay yours!
2010 raise
clerk irs Sun Mar 1, 2009 11:56 AM
with the Northeast costs so high $20.00 co-pays, 5-10 minutes with a Dr., & meds by mail trippled --that kind of raise is not suffient. gas isstill high, like the Pacific coast.
2% raises in 2010
Data conversion operator U. S. Postal Service Sun Mar 1, 2009 3:56 PM
Yes, indeed, I would be glad to take a smaller raise in 2010 (and in every subsequent year) if this would help to save my agency, my job, and our nation.
Putuporshutup
Selfserver VA Sun Mar 1, 2009 5:25 PM
All you knuckleheads that think it's "noble" of you to only accept 2% willing to take a 10% cut for the team?
Why not?
And if that's good for the country, why not 20%?
Re: Putuporshutup
HR Spec. VA Mon Mar 2, 2009 7:55 AM
Awesome response. I am shocked at the number of people who think sacrificing their own raise is "noble." Obviously, most, if not all, have not read the stimulus package. I refuse to accept the fact that I must accept a lower raise to fund rodent research in San Francisco and that the funding of this rodent research will somehow stimulate the economy.
If you really want to stimulate the economy, do the following:
1) Make credit card interest tax deductible for all FAMILIES (married, filing jointly, with lawful child dependents).
2) Require the banks accepting stimulus money (TARP 1, TARP 2, or anything after) to make available no less than 75% of the money accepted AND prohibit the use of that money from being used in mergers or aquisitions.
3) Regulate the credit card companies (regulate-regulate-regulate). The credit card companies, which are inextricably linked to the banks receiving bailout money, are cutting credit and increasing rates on everyone.
Huh? last year $10,000 less is what most got
Regular Rural Carrier USPS Sun Mar 1, 2009 5:35 PM
Yea, and it going to be less this year too.
2% Pay Raise
transportation specialist USAF Mon Mar 2, 2009 5:22 AM
The way the economy and the country are going, I don't see where this is out of line to be thankful that I have a job with some security to it.
SES Bonuses
Investigator USDA Mon Mar 2, 2009 5:56 AM
Regular Gov't employees should not have to go with a lower cost of living raise. Senior Executive Service (SES)employees, those already making more than $155,000 should give up their 5 and 6 figure year end bonuses, (amounting to millions of dollars). A good majority of SES employees make more in year end bonuses than most government employees make a year. Maybe a good article would be to publish the bonuses paid to SES for 2008...
I understand where America is at this time, but the cuts should start at the top, SES employees will be more than glad to take a 2% pay raise because they know they will more than make up for it in their bonuses, plus a lot more.
Bringing Pay Into Line
Security Specialist DOD Mon Mar 2, 2009 6:41 AM
I have been reading for years where DOD salaries are up to 20% behind other National slaries in comparable jobs. What happened to that? How can we be brought in line with a 2% pay raise if we are 20% behind?
President Asks Federal Employees to Sacrifice in 2
Project Manager HUD Mon Mar 2, 2009 8:22 AM
I have no problem with this EXCEPT when the prez continues to spend money as if it were monopoly money. He is the one who needs to apply some fiscal restraints/maturity/reality. It will be a long 4 years!!! But at least he is only a one-termer!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2010 and beyond
Employee DVA Mon Mar 2, 2009 8:27 AM
This is about riding out the turmoil. I am a citizen before being a Federal Employee. If the President doesn't appreciate the work I do, close the job down and let me go. But try not to insult me by creating a class of citizen that doesn't exist, yet. I need my pay to feed my family just like everyone else, and I thought we as employees were behind the local sector in pay already. It's easy to say stuff like suck it up, or take the hit, but those people are making 200G a year already. Let's see Congress, the Supremes and then the Executive branch take hits at the same time. This is about to become the rollercoaster ride from H@#$.
2% INCREASE IN 2010???
PROGRAM SUPPORT ASSISTANT ERIE, PA Mon Mar 2, 2009 8:38 AM
if the average is proposed to be 2% in 2010, that simply means that federal employees in washington, dc can expect that 2%. we, who fall under "rest of us", generally get 1.9-2% less than they. where does that leave us in the next years increase???? if president obama is so into "stimulating the economic environment", he needs to give people who currently have jobs, but still live paycheck to paycheck to make their meager ends meet, increases which will allow us to purchase large ticket items to actually "stimulate the economy". whether that be new windows for our homes, newer vehicles, or newer, more efficient furnaces to heat our small, modest homes. president obama wants to continue to take from us "barely middle class" workers to shell out thousands upon thousands of dollars to illegal immigrants to fund their families insurance and education, but somewhere along the line, he's missed the boat. give to those who are actually contributing citizens of the united states.
Just trying to stay afloat
Jessie B DOD MIL TECH Mon Mar 2, 2009 8:41 AM
Upon seeing this articile, I quickly jotted down some numbers. I just wanted to see where exactly my 3.5% was going, because I sure as heck didn't start treating myself to steak dinners all of a sudden! After figuring it all up it breaks down something like this:
3.5% COLA: + $1375
HEALTH INSURANCE: -$520 (Increase)
Co-Pay for Medical: - $120 (Increased $5, 2 visits/mo)
Taxes: - $440 (Increase)
Left Over $295 (more than absorbed by inflation).
With a 2% pay raise, I would have stood to lose close to $150/year. So with that said, I feel that the 3.5% is about as fair as it gets! If you go any lower, you're taking away from my family just to give it to CEO's & politicians! The house voted to hold off on a pay increase!? I invite anyone to wikipedia the average house rep's salary ($165K/year). How about the representatives take a pay cut? Give those guys my paycheck. After all, it's "better than the private sector's average check!"
Re: Just trying to stay afloat
Diversity Manager DOL Mon Mar 2, 2009 7:30 PM
He hasn't yet said anything about Retirees they are the only ones who get COLA. You may want to invest a little time in understanding your pay plan
Re: Just trying to stay afloat
Jessie B DOD MIL TECH Tue May 5, 2009 7:05 AM
Diversity Manager
You might want to spend a little time researching yourself. Try OPM.gov, then go down to GS Pay Scales. I DO infact get a form of COLA. I'll worry about my pay, you worry about your research.
Pay Raise
Asst. DOJ Mon Mar 2, 2009 8:42 AM
This would be fine if they could get a handle on the health insurance so that it doesn't always eat up the pay raises that we do get.
And the spending is still going on
Guaranteed Housing Specialist USDA/RD Mon Mar 2, 2009 9:48 AM
This is from today's news, I cut and pasted:
The White House is the place to be on Wednesdays.Since the presidency changed hands less than six weeks ago, a burst of entertaining has taken hold of the iconic. The East Room was transformed into a concert hall as President Barack Obama presented Stevie Wonder with the nation's highest award for pop music on Wednesday. A week before that, sounds of Sweet Honey in the Rock, a female a cappella group, filled the East Room for a Black History Month program that first lady Michelle Obama held for nearly 200 sixth- and seventh-graders from around Washington. The got cookies. Cocktails were sipped during at least three such receptions to date, all held on Wednesdays.A Super Bowl party for select Democratic and Republican lawmakers and a dinner for governors....The gathering over hot dogs and hamburgers was one of several get-to-know-the-members-of Congress .
Keep on Spending Mr and Mrs Prez....We'll carry you on our backs.
Re: And the spending is still going on
Operations Analyst DCMA Mon Mar 2, 2009 10:58 AM
Cut the crap, Guaranteed Housing Specialist(?). Every president hosts these "ceremonial" functions - keep this stuff in its proper context. BTW, I'm in the market for a new house - can you "guarantee" me one?
Re: And the spending is still going on
Guaranteed Housing Specialist USDA/RD Mon Mar 2, 2009 12:57 PM
OA/DCMA... You are right but every wednesday???I think not. Hosting some sort of party/get together on the taxpayers during these economic times?????RIGHT.
If you qualify you can get a house loan. Go to the nearest USDA/Rural Development office or look in your phone book. You may qualify for a RD Guarantee Loan.
President Asks Federal Employees to Sacrifice in 2
SPEC VHA Mon Mar 2, 2009 9:59 AM
I'm OK with this, as long as EVERYBODY gets this 2% pay raise. As low as it is, there isn't much room at the bottom for those who don't qualify for the full 2%, under the former system.
Federal Employees Pay Sacrifice in 2010
Computer Assistant Dept of Treasury Mon Mar 2, 2009 10:04 AM
If the federal government can afford to give BILLIONS IN BAILOUT $ TO THE FAT CORPORATE CATS, then they can most certainly afford to pay federal employees their due annual incomes. Federal employees are the same as all other American citizens and the Fed Gov needs to treat us fairly. Why should Fed employees sacrifice more of their income than every other American citizen?
Other Sacrifices
HR Specialist Dept of the Air Force Mon Mar 2, 2009 10:08 AM
Perhaps more agencies should consider using webinars/webcasts for training and save dollars spent on TDYs. If individuals can get educated on line, why can't federal employees.
2% RAISE
Supervisor MEDCOM Mon Mar 2, 2009 10:41 AM
After reading most of the comments I am proud and ashamed. For those who feel that any raise is good because you feel lucky to have a job to pay your bills, maybe eat out less, etc., thank you for your humanity. For those who do not realize that this President inherited these problems and is trying to fix it, shame on you. We have thousands of Americans losing their jobs who would love to have job security and support their families. I cannot believe the selfishness I am reading.
We work for the taxpayers
Budget Analyst Small Agency Mon Mar 2, 2009 10:45 AM
It seems that a lot of people have forgotten who we work for - taxpayers. If tax revenues go down, there's less money to fund not just the program's we're all so fond of but also our salaries. As a federal employee, if you don't think you're better off than the vast majority of Americans - get a job in the private sector.
Unions should also buck up and stop defending deadbeat employees. I would much rather fund 'rodent research' which will provide important and useful information for medical innovations than some of the deadbeat government employees I've had to work with. Culling the deadbeat workers would free up a lot of funding.
I may not like not getting a pay increase but at least I've got a good job and don't have to gag over a McCain/Palin solution.
Re: We work for the taxpayers
Retired and loving it! DOD Mon Mar 2, 2009 11:53 AM
I'd bet McCain/Palin would have stated 2% but, it would have been without the, "PORK," the democrats left in the budget that is close to being signed. There is no, "change," with the Obama administration! Shame on you and your lies President Obama. Shame on anyone who supports this sort of waste.
Re: We work for the taxpayers
hr manager USDA Mon Mar 2, 2009 11:54 AM
What most of the liberal-leaning press fails to mention is that the problem we are experiencing is a direct result of a policy that started under Jimmy Carter, expanded under Bill Clinton, quickly adopted by liberal members of Congress such as Barney Frank, and ignored by Congress when the Bush administration tried to bring it to their attention as a problem. Unfortunately, with the large amounts of money being funneled to these Congressmen, they had no interest and were ideologically disposed to force banks to grant loans to people who were previously disqualified because of low income, bad credit, etc.
Some of our elected officials think we can ignore economics. If a person did not pay off a credit card, or can't afford a house, they won't pay the mortgage. We pretended that was not the case. As in the 1920's, we used bad paper (mortgages this time instead of stock) to finance a boom period. I realize some can't help themselves. This comes from the Dems and Obama is going to make it worse using the same flawed ideological basis--we will spend trillions and pretend it will bring prosperity--ignoring common sense. Our country is about to go down hard with the Chinese owning most of our assets.
2% pay raise for 2010
Department Manager Dept. of Justice Mon Mar 2, 2009 10:58 AM
Why should the fix for a bad economy fall on the Federal Employees? This will not motivate the Federal employee very well. I know for a fact it will generate bad attitudes to many of our employees and the Federal employee will become less productive because of it. The Govt. will lose more than it gains if they cheat their employees.
Parity with Military
IT Specialist USDA Mon Mar 2, 2009 11:17 AM
OK, if Civilians deserve parity with the military, then they deserve parity with the civilians. Lets pay the soldiers overtime.... I put in 60 hours a week for the year I was in SWA. Or we could make all civilians Salaried and set rules so we can work them 24x7 whenever management wants them to, and no shift differentials etc.
As far as getting 2%, I am happy with a pay raise. I am unhappy when the pay raise is called a sacrifice. My wife left civil service four months ago to take a contract job paying double what she made as a civil servant. I think we sacrifice by working for the government instead of the private sector.
I read an earlier post about GS avg being $117k vs $55k in private sector. I expect that $55k averages in all the fast food and other minimum wage jobs. GS4's dont make a lot, but it is the start of a career. I would not consider my son's job at McDonalds a career. how about comparing similar jobs, like medical, legal, or IT?
I Support the President!
Loyal American One of Many Mon Mar 2, 2009 11:19 AM
In a perfect world, we feds would receive a more equitable raise next year. But we have problems as a country and an economy, & President Obama inherited a mess - maybe more than even he realized before taking office. We have to think beyond our $$ goals as a special interest group & look at the larger picture of what's good for the country as a whole. It may not be fair, but then as Govt employees, we're a little more protected from the worst of the economic downturn than most of our fellow Americans - and we all need to step up to the plate for the greater good of the country.
Re: I Support the President!
Computer Specialist USED Tue Mar 3, 2009 11:53 AM
What's good for the country as a whole would be (1) reducing taxes to individuals (immediate stimulant) and successful businesses (long term growth) (2) removing the bulk of the pork-laden spending from congress, (3) avoiding any further moves toward collectivist mentality, etc., etc.
How about President & Congress setting an example
Asset Manager HUD Mon Mar 2, 2009 11:53 AM
I might be okay with this if the President and Congress agreed to a 10% cut on their salaries and talked about lowering their pension plan.
Federal Pay Raise
Secretary Bureau of Reclamation Mon Mar 2, 2009 11:56 AM
I had a similar idea, but it didn't go over well with the people I talked to. I feel it would be much more fair, however, to give a lower (or no) pay raise to those employees who are grade 11 and above, with a larger raise to the lower graded personnel. The higher grades already make good money and get promotions a lot faster to get themselves into the higher grades. I think it would say a lot to the American people if public employees would make the gesture during these austere times.
Re: Federal Pay Raise
HR Officer DHS Mon Mar 2, 2009 12:08 PM
Good idea Karl. Each according to his needs. Penalize those who work hard. You fit right into this administration.
Start pulling stuff like that and you will see a mass exodus of extremely qualified individuals from government service. Believe it or not, companies are still hiring white collar professionals (except for the fianncial industry). Most GS-12's and higher don't work in the construction trades, pump gas, serve food, sell or finance real estate, or assemble cars.
2% PAY RAISE IN 2010
HOUSING PROGRAM ASSISTANT HUD Mon Mar 2, 2009 12:18 PM
I think I can live w/the pay raise. I just hope that one day before I retire (5-7 years max) that Congress and the President (whomever that may be) will repeal the WEP/GPO. That is my biggest gripe, because I have paid into Social Security and then I have 20 years in CSRS and now I'm in FERS and I'm paying into Social Security once again. Why shouldn't I receive my full Social Security benefitsw and instead receive only a portion of my earnings when I have contributed all along (including the Medicare premium)? Just blowing some steam. Also, I realize that no matter who's in office (your candidate or the other candidate), that has nothing to do with an increase in salary. Also, what about pay parity? I realize that the troops are out there, but I'm a single person and I need all the help I can get. I'm not one of those feds who is a GS-12 or 13 making the BIG bucks! I'm just a lowly GS-7/10 (eff. 4/26) and this is my last year getting 2 raises. After this, it's all downhill.
A small sacrifice we should make willingly
Analyst DHS Mon Mar 2, 2009 12:39 PM
As a proud public servant, I do not mind this tiny reduction in my pay increase. In fact, I would even be willing to go without a pay increase at all in 2010. This is hardly a sacrifice, given what's going on in our country. We owe it to the public to demonstrate that the government is also doing its part to tighten up during this crisis. Any president in Obama's situation would have to do the same, and the unions are also forced to support this measure to avoid the PR fallout they would inevitably face (hardly "rolling over to Obama" as some have said). Let's support this - it is the right thing to do.
I want to be paid for performance
Supervisory IT Specialist DON Mon Mar 2, 2009 1:53 PM
I want to be paid for my performance, not paid based on how the economy is preforming.
Re: I want to be paid for performance
Analyst DHS Thu Mar 5, 2009 11:22 AM
Wow, if you want to be paid for your "performance," you are in the wrong place working for the federal government! If raises and compensation were actually based on performance, I think a lot of people would be disappointed come the first of the year. I find it very ironic that all the people complaining about a socialist state (not referring to your comment) are at the same time demanding an over-inflated pay raise for EVERYONE in the fed gov based on nothing but a sense of entitlement.
PAY RAISE
Industrial Hygienist BUMED Mon Mar 2, 2009 1:58 PM
I find it interesting our representative vote themselve a raise, just as they voted their own retirement. Tie them into the retirement and benefits the the Federa Employees have and watch them make things work. People complain about school teachers working less than nine months. Our representatives galavant all over the country and are paid if they are there to vote or not.
Sick of the Lies
OBAMAnation USAF Mon Mar 2, 2009 3:45 PM
The pay raise of 2% doesn't bother me.
What bothers me is that this president is a fraud. He said "I'm not for bigger government"--and then increases the size to the largest in history.
Criticizes the spending under G.W. Bush (which I too criticize) and then turns arounds and spends the most money in U.S. history on paybacks to his cult liberal followers and disguises it as a "stimulus" package.
He's a liar and a fraud--and most of the intellectully bankrupt Americans follow him. I absolutely have no repect for this president or his congress.
Welcome to the Socialist Republic of America run by Czar Obama!
President Asks Federal Employees to Sacrifice in 2
Assitant Federal Public Defender US Courts Mon Mar 2, 2009 4:28 PM
Actually, I was hoping that the presidential candidate I supported would cut the federal budget much more drastically, but as a federal employee who voted for the President, let me just note that I will send him a personal note to say I am quite willling to get a smaller raise in 2010, or none at all. How can you look at the people around you losing jobs, losing contracts, losing hoomes... and not want to help? I am just as adamantly opposed to giving billions of taxpayer dollars to failed banks (ie successsful crminals).
To be ethical is not always in one's self interest.
I WORK TO EARN MONEY TO LIVE
IS THIS THE CHANGE HE WAS TALKING ABOUT? FRUSTRATED AMERICAN Mon Mar 2, 2009 5:32 PM
love the changes. now i should just be thankful that i got a job! what country is this? uncle sam already has his hands in pocket. enough already. why doesn't congress give back their pay raises? y is mr. o having parties in the white house honoring stevie wonder and having earth, wind and fire perform at the white house. aren't we in a recession.. if i scarified anymore i willbe on the welfare line. hey, if u dont want the increase i take it. oh we r nowconsideredthe new rich. give me a break
Civil Servants to Sacrifice
Supervisor USAF Mon Mar 2, 2009 7:49 PM
I am thankful I have a job, and I would be willing to sacrifice if I saw sacrifice across the board. But what I see is the government giving my money away to any (and every) darn fool who lived beyond his means and got in trouble, from corporate execs to people with big houses. No, I work hard for my money and I am sick of the idea that someone else is more "entitled" to it than I am.
Federal 2010 Pay Raise
Logistics USAF Mon Mar 2, 2009 8:32 PM
I am ready to do my part when it comes to a 2% oay raise. But how about the NSPS Government Employees? Just in case Presdient Obama has forgotten. Federal Employees now have two pay systems. Since the NSPS is management, I am assuming they will be limited to the 2% pay raise too.
Count me as ungrateful
LMR Spec. DVA Mon Mar 2, 2009 9:08 PM
Count me as ungrateful. I want to be paid on my performance. Putting that aside, I took a $70,000 hit on my TSP. Therefore, using the logic proposed by many federal bretheren, I should get a much larger raise because I have been adversely impacted.
No, instead, I will pay for my neighbors HELOC @ 13.99 percent to buy a two new cars and a boat. He knew damn well the HELOC was unsustainable but did it anyway. He then financed his small business with consumer credit cards. To make matters even more unreal, the home he purchased was an ARM w/ no principle payments. But hey, he put in a pool.
I feel for my neighbor (true story). However, he should not be able to "restructure" his loan on my dime. I am out $70,000 while he still drives his new cars, takes his boat out, and vacations twice a year.
So, no- I am not grateful. This is absurd. To all those who want to take one for the team, write a check to your neighbor or the freakin IRS. Count me out.
Obama is nuts.
2% pay increase for 2010
Civilian Employee U.S. Army Tue Mar 3, 2009 7:41 AM
I don't mind doing my fair share, but, it's going to tick me off if I then see millions of dollars spent for "pork-barrel" projects. Let's get that kind of spending OUT of government spending period.
Civilain 2010 Pay Raise Reduction to 2%
name whitheld Civilian Branch Chief NGB/ANG Tue Mar 3, 2009 8:56 AM
The Military gets a tax free income and a taxpayer paid Housing allowance, whch Federal Civilians do not. I recommend Federal Civilians take the reduction to 2% and those Military Members not in combat status also take the reduction to 2%. Those uniformed members is staff positions especially sitting alongside Federal Civilians should not get a 2010 3.9% rasie. This would help the budget, just think how much will be saved in MAJCOM staffs and at the Pentagon.
BAIL OUT
DATA ANALYST VHA Tue Mar 3, 2009 10:54 AM
All the billions of dollars given to the banks, auto industries, etc. The money should have been given to the citizens of the United States in equal fashion. They would have paid off their mortgages, loans and whatever. The banks would have received their money in the long haul anyways rather than what still is happening - handing it out to these unforgiving, non accountable industries.
2.0%
ACCT TECH DFAS Tue Mar 3, 2009 12:45 PM
Your Kidding, I am loosing my house because of BRAC.
Now I am suppose to go on welfair? The IRS wants my money, A mortgage Co. wants my money. Are you kidding? Mortage CO, for a house, I am going to loose. A 100,000.00 Equity Gone. Now a man making all most.
5 times what I make. Yea , I guess I can understand, He does not have a clue!!!!!!!!!!
Raise
Conservative Govt Tue Mar 3, 2009 5:57 PM
So every year when President Bush put out his budget the unions cried like the babies they are about the fed raise being too small. Now Obama is President and offers 2.0 out of the gate and the unions barely make a noise. Enough said about the credibility of unions!!!
Get used to it folks. You moderates out there were played like fools during the campaign. Obama has no intentions to govern from the middle. He got your vote and now he plans to take this country down the road to socialism. Buckle up and hold on. Entitlements are on the way. Oh yeah, didn't Obama say during his speech the other night that he wasn't for big government? Hmmmm...WHAT A LIAR!!! How many tax cheats does he have on his cabinet now? Is this the "change we can count on?" Suckers!!!! You get what you ask (vote) for.
Re: Raise
LMR Spec. DVA Tue Mar 3, 2009 6:31 PM
You said it. The moderates, me among them, were played like fools.
Not a PAY RAISE you IDIOT
grunt cant say Tue Mar 3, 2009 7:33 PM
THe largest Agency budgets, largest buget overall and a stimuli give away that will make cotton farmers rich enough that BO will take it away. We, government workers have to sacrifice?
BO better ask Congress who voted them in. I am sure most aren't ready to take less than a minimum Cost of Living adjustment (not a raise as you stated, which we haven't seen in 2 years.)
Civilian Pay raise
heavy equipment mechanic DOD Whiteman AFB Mo. Wed Mar 4, 2009 6:38 AM
If we only get a 2% pay raise we will end up loseing money because our health insurance goes up more than what we'll bring home Is congress also not going to get a full raise ? I have to work 30 years to get my retirerment, and they only work 4 they make more in those 4 years than I do in 30 !
What just tax Fed employees?
Manager IRS Wed Mar 4, 2009 8:49 AM
I'm not an economist or a personnel specialist. I do not know what is the "right" amount of raise federal employees should get. I do not know what the stimulus impact is of raising or lowering taxes.
That said, if Obama says Federal employees should be willing to sacrafice (e.g. get a smaller raise than would be "fair"), isn't he effectively raising the income tax on fedearal employees to lower it on others. If he does not give the Federal employee that "extra" percentage raise he otherwise would have if he was not "asking Federal employees to sacrafice," he has effectively added a life-time tax to being a Federal employee and retiree since all future salaries have been adversely impacted. If giving a $400 a person tax cut to all workers and a $250 tax cut to all retirees is good for the economy, why is raising the implied taxes of millions of Federal workers by hundreds of dollars each annually a good idea?
Obama Pay Raise proposal for 2010
Management and Program Analyst DOJ Wed Mar 4, 2009 9:36 AM
I think that some of us federal employees have already had to sacrifice - we sacrificed for years and finally our pay has begun to be commensurate with that of the private sector (only because of the horrible economy). As a tax payer, I was ineligible for any "stimulus" money under President's Bush plan because I sacrificed to allow the Democrats to pay people who never had to pay taxes a little bonus. Expenses for health care, utilities, gas, food, etc. has continued to increase and our pay really hasn't kept up with it all. A 2% increase won't even cover the amount that our health insurance premiums will likely go up in 2010.
2010 Pay Raise or Lack Of
Personnel Security Specialist Dept of the Air Force Wed Mar 4, 2009 9:44 AM
I have read many comments here and it seems pretty evenly split. For those that are all for not getting a pay raise, I would imagine you are probably making a whole lot more money than the rest of us. Every year my medical premiums go up and my raise is just enough to pay for that increase.
I do not feel "pride" when The President announce that his staff will have to make due with what they are currently making...6 figures with Cost of Living in the DC area.
It is easy when you are at the top to say "hey look at me, Im not taking my pay raise this year". 2 - 3 percent doesnt truly affect your bottom line. However, when you are at the middle to the bottom, 2-3 percent makes a huge difference in making ends meet.
Yes, I am thankful I have a job, so please stop throwing that line around in this posting. There are jobs out there for people, just not exactly what you want or had, but there are jobs. Maybe those that need a job need to suck it up and take what they can get.
2% PAY RAISE
MR VETERANS AFFAIRS Wed Mar 4, 2009 10:03 AM
i have already sacrificed 9 years 8 months and 2 weeks with the us army, and now the president want me to sacrifice again.....
Pay raise in 2010
Senior Research Associate CDC Wed Mar 4, 2009 10:40 AM
In a time when people are losing jobs and taking pay cuts, it is not much to ask that we take a smaller pay increase. After all, we are public servants, and if the taxpayer is hurting, it doesn't serve the needs of the country at large for us to feel entitled to a 4% raise. I am very grateful to have such a stable source of income and incredible job security in these times.
Pay Raise and Reasons
Patient Business Assistant VA Wed Mar 4, 2009 12:15 PM
I'm of the mind of worker bee and hr spec- do you realize the $ spent & given to congress/senate in perks? A 1% raise should apply to them & GS-11 and up. The avg fed (that actually does the work) realisticly makes 35k to 60k. The cong/senat. should have their raises voted on by the people once their taxes & job perfm are evaled. All rich boy perks-gone. Carpool in those capitol hill limos, stop leavin em running all day. Give em 9 planes to fly, instead of renting private one per congressman(2 for each time zone, 1 for emerg., have flight times like everyone else). Trips under 2 hrs, they should drive not fly. Take the biggest offenders of the bank bail out & nationalize them, w/strict rules & 500k salary cap. Those w/good busin. practices leave alone & free. Set unbreakable, clear standards, w quotas for lending out. They get no $ for aquisitions & mergers. Break the rules, get absorbed/natinlzd. The $ for rat research, gone, to be diverted into health care. It's a start.
Pay Raise
therapist VAMC Wed Mar 4, 2009 7:58 PM
The federal budget is not being reduced. Obama is increasing the deficit to 1.5 trillion, 3 times what the last Bush deficit was. Why do federal empoyees need to sacrifice with a budget like that. Where is all that money going? I know the answer. Federal unions would be all over Bush if he tried to get away with that.
Pay Raise of 2%
Retired-System Administrator US Forest Service Wed Mar 4, 2009 10:59 PM
I would be more positive about a 2% raise in 2010, if I were sure that health insurance was also going to be restricted. However, if my insurance costs are going up 50%, or more, as they did for prescriptions in 2009, I can't be very supportive.
Pay raise
Acct. Tech DFAS Thu Mar 5, 2009 9:55 AM
What pay raise? It was eaten up with the increase in health benefit costs. When is Gov't going to reign that in?
Conditional Support
Supervisor USA Thu Mar 5, 2009 10:41 AM
I don't mind getting a 2% raise if it would help get our nation gets back on track. I think it would be better though for Congress to freeze their pay and benefit increases entirely until they help fix the mess they got us into.
proposed civilian pay rate 2010
input tech dfas Thu Mar 5, 2009 1:11 PM
i can't understand this - we are giving billions and billions of dollars to banks time and time again, and yet, we are only going to be given a 2% increase next year? if that's all it will be, it would be a great help if president obama capped the health care rates, so we don't end up making less than what we were making this year. also, how are we supposed to help "stimulate" the economy if we are given the funding to do so. time to look to the people who actually got him into office, and delete a lot of his "earmarks" in his stimulus plan and give it to us, believe me, with everything that we are behind on and need, we would be spending the money! time to help the little people like he said he was going to.
Are you kidding me
Accounting Tech DoD Thu Mar 5, 2009 1:35 PM
I read the article and some of the comments but i have to questoin a few things.... 1st yes we should be happy that we have a job and go to work everyday but I wonder about the BRAC movement and what that has caused? 2ndly how can you take away a raise if we are already working at a decrease in grade and a 70% decrease in numbers, havent we already saved money? Along with that one of the things that keeps popping up at me is the article states our salary would be more in-line with the private sector....hahaha even with the economy being as bad as it is the starting pay for my measely GS-6 is considerably less here then what it would be in the "private" sector. PEOPLE wake up--even the governments employees can loose our jobs.
Slash the Pig Odor Project Instead!
Intelligence Analyst Department of Justice Thu Mar 5, 2009 2:00 PM
The several million dollar Pig Odor study included in the budget, at the very least, will need to be "sacrificed" before I will willingly give up my annual cost of living!
Pay Raises for Federal Employees
Prg Analyst Department of the Army Thu Mar 5, 2009 9:51 PM
The President's intent to lower the Fed's annual cola (not a pay raise, not) could not have come at a worst time. Don't know about you, brother (or sister) fed employee, but I have been carrying senile (yep, not senior, but senile) and lazy butt employees for a number of years without the benefit of any additional pay or rewards/awards. So, here the President comes, stating he wants fed employees to take a lower cola. Between senile, non-productive employees and contractors who have never served a day in the military, (don't have a clue about the working environment) and are still wet behind the years, I (and a small percentage of others) are pulling double if not triple the load. This cozy relationship between the administration and the union only spells more welfare opportunities in the federal government. ITS TIME TO SAY: NO THANK YOU!!ENOUGH IS ENOUGH
Comments in General
Prg Analyst Department of the Army Thu Mar 5, 2009 10:00 PM
As I read the comments beginning in Feb 09, its quite obvious that the majority agree that once gain the deadbeat democrats and others who voted to Obama are standing in line for freebies. Guess I will think twice about buying scout cookies, school promotional items (fund raisers), magazines, giving to sports teams standing on the corners soliciting donations for trips. No, Sir, can't afford to do it because Obama's team is taking my extra dollars.
Re: Comments in General
LMR Specialist DVA/VHA Fri Mar 6, 2009 1:15 PM
I already terminated all charitable cash donations and pledges for this year including CFC. I am planning for the 2% raise and increased FEHB premiums. The only solicitors I will pledge to in 2009 are my two daughters (mainly in the form of Girl Scout cookies).
I will continue to donate used items such as toys, clothes, and electronics.
PAY RAISE
QAR DCAS Wed Mar 11, 2009 8:20 AM
Get real folks. You have a steady paycheck coming in and its time we do our part to help those that are in a bad situation. Fair is fair. Ok, give you job to the ones that don't have a job.
Better than I thought
Program Analyst USDA Wed Mar 11, 2009 8:26 AM
Well that's 2% more than I thought we were going to get. I'm thankful to have a job that pays the bills right now, and I'm thankful I'm not out in the private sector, where things are certainly a lot worse.
2% pay raise
Lockmaster usace Wed Mar 11, 2009 8:29 AM
There are a lot of people losing there jobs and have no money coming in. Be thankful you have a job.
Small 2010 pay raise
Department Manager Dept. of Justice Wed Mar 11, 2009 8:39 AM
Does congress really believe giving a small pay raise to the Fed. employee will save money. It never works. This would creates bad atitudes, low morale, and staff will be less motivated and less productive. Trust me, I have been around a long time and have seen this.
Opinion Nation
Area Specialist Rural Housing Service Wed Mar 11, 2009 8:49 AM
The 'American People' put President Obama into office. The 'American People' should stand down and allow President Obama to do his job. I would be happy with a 1% raise if President Obama said it would help the economy. My friends are being bumped down at work and expenses are being cut in order to keep plants open and at least some people working. Those people would be happy to just keep their present salary.
Who doesn't understand the Military getting a higher raise? I have been there and I understand. Those men and women put their lives on the line for us everyday and they should be rewarded for that. We sit in comfortable offices while they are being shot at.
America better wake up before it's too late.
Disgusted in Arkansas
SELFISH, UGLY PEOPLE
Insurance Technician DOA Wed Mar 11, 2009 9:05 AM
Reading many of the responses regarding the 2% pay raise, I am truly amazed at how selfish and ugly and unpatriotic some of you people are. I am ASHAMED to see that part of the so-called "American" spirit and YOU should be ashamed. Many of you sound like typical Bush people...he could care less about anyone else as long as HE was comfortable. I don't make much money as a GS-06, currently about $38,000 annually and I don't mind a 2% pay raise if it will in some small way, help our economy, so what the hell is wrong with you people? Some of you mentioned the salaries that the President and a handful of lawmakers make...so what! These are our leaders and deserve that pay, but when you're talking about 1.8 million civil service employees, that adds up to a lot of money. Why don't you people mouth off about civilian CEO's and their bonuses? How can so many smart people be so stupid and not see the obvious?
Pay increase in 2010
IT Security Manager NPS Wed Mar 11, 2009 9:10 AM
Could we not tie the 2010 federal employee pay increase to the 2009 Consumer Price Index (CPI) ?
2% pay raise
Tax Examiner IRS Wed Mar 11, 2009 9:22 AM
I am curious where the Obama Administration got these numbers since we've been told year after year that we are far behind the private sector in our pay. Hmmmm must be some new calculators out there! Also, most of the time our raises barely cover our health care premium increases so don't go making us look so flush. No one working for the feds is living large except the congress, senate and DC Employees.
Annual Pay Raise
Recreation Supervisor USDA Forest Service Wed Mar 11, 2009 9:26 AM
I don't make anything near the federal pay that I've seen listed on this website. I believe it was in the neighborhood of 100K, but I would be willing to give my proposed 2% pay raise to someone serving in the military. I never served in the military, but I think we're missing the point on this issue. Someone that is giving up there family life and possibly thier life to defend this country and my freedom deserves much more than a pat on the back and a small raise for thier sacrifice. Let stop crying about our raises and give everything we can to these brave young men and woman. All I have to do every morning is get up and come to my very safe job. Those brave young men and woman get up in the morning and wonder if they'll be alive at the end of the day. That my 2% worth. RJJ
Re: Annual Pay Raise
NWA NCA Wed Mar 11, 2009 10:44 AM
So why didn't YOU serve in the military??? Unless you are disabled for active duty, I'm sure there would have been a place - maybe, depending on your age, there still might be a place - for you in one of the services. I get a kick out of you guilt-ridden non-veterans who are so full of warm fuzzies for our "brave young men & women in uniform" etc etc, but were too busy with other matters to bother serving yourself when it might have meant something.
2010 Federal Pay Raise
HR Specialist DoD Wed Mar 11, 2009 10:20 AM
Federal employees receive generous pay and benefits while many in our communities are losing jobs and entering foreclosure. I don't see any reason why we can't do our part to assist our country in getting out of this mess we are in.
Re: 2010 Federal Pay Raise
LMR Specialist DVA Wed Mar 11, 2009 1:30 PM
So, in a converse argument, did you, and will you support federal employees receiving comensurate pay with private sector when this economic cycle reverses? And if so, why have we not (based on your argument) been treated equally to the private sector? After all, this appears to be your argument in that we should share the pain. I cannot imagine you would then opine we should not share in the gain as well.
The problem with Obama's statement on this issue is the following- if this cycle reverses and private sector salaries invrease @ a 10% rate, for his logic to stand, public sector employees would require the same increases. Anything else would make him a hypocrite.
BTW, I supported Obama and continue to support him. Although not as blindly as some would suggest. Thus far, his administration appears almost childish in handling the daily and basic operations of government.
The Obama Pay Raise
Adjudication Officer DHS Wed Mar 11, 2009 1:03 PM
For all of those who voted for Obama and are now disappointed with his proposed 2.0 pay raise for Federal Civilian Workers, be thankful you are getting any consideration at all. Frankly, considering the state of the economy, I am surprised he has not asked you to forego any raise for 2010. Of course, we get massaged with the "Obama Stimulus Package" which should be a thrill for all you Obamaites. I wonder if that includes a package of oatmeal raisin cookies? And as for the military getting more than the civilian worker, well, so what? Spend a couple of years in a war zone under fire and tell me the armed forces does not deserve what they get.
And for all of you Obama supporters? Well, you got him and you will have him for at least until January 20, 2012. So chill out and get your Obama posters in order!
And no, I am not a disgruntled Bush supporter so get over it.
Fed'l. Civilian Pay Raise 2010
Radon Proj. Officer EPA Wed Mar 11, 2009 1:34 PM
Please stop the whining. We Federal workers are spoiled and are not stressed standing in unemployment lines, at job fairs, giving out dozens of resumes, waiting for interviews, paying bills, feeding our families etc., etc. Very poor form. Very poor PR for Federal employees as the rest of our American citizens are out there in the "cold". 2% pay raise plus health care, vacation, sick pay, TSP matching, and, and, and, . . . Yeah, right. How unfair!
Fed'l. Civilian Pay Raise 2010
Radon Proj. Officer EPA Wed Mar 11, 2009 1:35 PM
Please stop the whining. We Federal workers are spoiled and are not stressed standing in unemployment lines, at job fairs, giving out dozens of resumes, waiting for interviews, paying bills, feeding our families etc., etc. Very poor form. Very poor PR for Federal employees as the rest of our American citizens are out there in the "cold". 2% pay raise plus health care, vacation, sick pay, TSP matching, and, and, and, . . . Yeah, right. How unfair!
Sacrifice
Management analyst Army Wed Mar 11, 2009 1:53 PM
I'm already sacrificing enough. I work for the government. I saved so that I could have my dream home at 58 years. I have a high mortgage (no sub-prime here) and now I'll be sacrificing so that others can be bailed out from the hole they find themselves. I conserve daily. If I were healthy, I'd leave the USA. But, alas, I'm not due to on-the-job injuries while working for the government.
Higher Pay Raise Needed
Claiims Representative Social Security Administration Wed Mar 11, 2009 9:50 PM
In case any of you know inflation is going to run rampant next year which means even with a 2% increase Federal Workers will be able to buy less with their money. We are severely underpaid in comparison to the private sector. No government employee that i know owns a home nor has a mortgage. We are getting paid pennies on the dollar. Yet we have student loans and are unable to save any money. We can only contribute 1% to the TSP as we are living pay check to paycheck and that is due to normal living expenses. Rent is about 60% of our income.
If you are happy with a 2% increase that means you have rich parents, live rent free, have no car payment, are not married, receive income from rental of property , have no children , contribute 15% to your TSP and are sitting on a bunch of cash in savings.
I believe Federal Employee Salaries should be comparable to the Private Sector. People with Master's Degrees are being hired for 37,000 per year. This is such a shame.
Re: Higher Pay Raise Needed
Service Representative Social Security Administration Fri Mar 13, 2009 5:57 PM
Wow this is the best post on here
I greatly agree.
2% pay increase in 2010
Manager Transportation Thu Mar 12, 2009 6:12 AM
A public employees in this economic crisis, a pay raise of 2% is acceptable given that the President could have forgone a pay increase entirely. After all, millions of Americans are now unemployed. I know the banking industry has mispent billions and everyone is paying the cost of that debacle.
SACRIFICE
SES HHS Thu Mar 12, 2009 7:08 AM
no problem as long as congress freezes their pay.
Pay Raise
Tax Compliance Officer U S Treasury - IRS Fri Mar 13, 2009 9:00 AM
I have worked for the IRS for over 47 yrs. and have appreciated the benefits and pay I have received over these years. With so many millions of people out of work and not able to pay their bills, etc. I feel a responsibility to do whatever I can to help outside agencies assist these people in times of desparate need. I also feel it is my responsibility to not seek a higher pay raise when the gov't is asking every business, its employees and executives to take cuts, to also accept a lower raise than has been awarded in recent years. It's the least we, who do have jobs, can do to help this economy have a rebirth. When the economy gets back on track we will again be rewarded with a higher raise. Who do we think we are to always think we are better than everyone else?
Re: No
Cost Analyst Department of the Navy Mon Mar 16, 2009 6:50 PM
Federal Government workers have better benefits and job security than the majority of US private sector employees. We also have lower pay because, while Congress created a formula for pay comparability with the private sector, they also failed to fund it. How about the pay raise we are due by index and start thinking about getting pay comparability on track? THEN we can talk about deferring some increases. Sounds fair to me. If we couldn't have the pay raises Congress thought were fair in good times, why should we have to suffer again in bad times. Already been there Mr. President!
NO MONEY
Techinican USDA Tue Mar 17, 2009 7:50 AM
If Congress and the President will give us the same benefits they have it would be great. The Congress writes law to make our benefits less and theirs more. Everyone is talking about government jobs being so great. If you want to see every ethics, and law broken work for the governement. These things only apply to the lower grades or non-Washington D.C. people. How can you just say I am sorry I broke the law "I AM SORRY." We can't do that! There isn't going to be any money after a 4.6 trillon budget. You people better get your facts straight. You are going to be sick of this administration before it is all done. Nobody wants to tell you the Democrats have been in charge of the money for two years. Lets look at who caused all of these problems. Clinton did most of this junk. The party in charge of the money. You will really enjoy you promised 2% , which will never happen.
President Asks Federal Employees to Sacrifice in 2
Ex- Union President DOI Fri Mar 20, 2009 9:24 AM
The Federal Employee's have been Sacrificing for many years with a smaller raise then their civialian counterparts. We have been far behind the 8 ball for many years. The Federal Employees 2% raise will only get them closer to the economy when they do come back, not even to them or higher then them just closer to them. The Federal Employee's having some job security are the ones out there buying and helping with the economy. So if we don't get a raise then they will stop buying knowing that with no raise they will be behind the cost of living once again. It will hurt the economy more then one realizes. Is that the President's goal?
pay raise
registered nurse indian health service Fri Mar 20, 2009 10:54 AM
Don't assume all people that work for the federal government have an easy desk job, as a nurse working for indian health service on an isolated indian reservation I have to commute a long distance, the working conditions are less than ideal and there has been an 86% turnover rate in the last two years for RN's I will not work another year without a cost of living adjustment or a pay raise, then what?
Keep It!
GS-12 USCG Fri Mar 20, 2009 1:06 PM
Believe me when I say,
No one could use a raise more than me! But if it helps - keep the 2% - or better yet take that 2% and increase the pay for the active duty folks deployed in combat zones. They (and their families) deserve a bonus more than any fat cat belonging to a corporation that’s gotten a bailout!!!!!!!
Just remember us when times are good again!
PAY RAISE
FINANCIAL ANALYST NSWC CRANE Tue Mar 24, 2009 8:27 AM
Health Insurance is so very high. And, we need it. We need good Health providers also. Instead of a pay raise, maybe you could lower the premiums and lower them enough to do everyone some good. Otherwise, the pay raise is needed, though it seems it is never enough. So much of it just goes to taxes. Everything cost so much these days. My family is always struggling just to get buy. I hate seeing our country struggling so. If things don't change, we won't be the most prosperous, safe and strong nation. We are slowly becoming like the others. It's terrible. Wages and prices are going to have to change. People are getting desperate and losing faith. Thanks
Pres Asks Fed Employees to Sacrifice in 2010
Secretary USAF Tue Mar 24, 2009 8:50 AM
Okay, instead of hitting us at the lower sector, why doesn't the President ask his cabinet members to entirely give up their pay raise or cut it in half as they can well afford to live in this economy, instead of hitting me at the GS-5 level? And tell me, what is the point of giving us "stimulus" money if our pay raise is going to be cut? This is a COST OF LIVING pay raise. The average for us this year was 3.9, however, that included locality pay and was an average, many people including myself, did not see that amount. This means, if the average COL pay raise next year is 2 percent, many of us, including myself, will not see that much. It irks me to know that those high in government who rightfully earn a large salary, cannot make a sacrifice that they will barely feel when those of us at a lower income will feel it and are being asked to make the sacrifice. Everything is not equal and should not be treated as such. People with lower incomes should be given bigger breaks.
Pay Parity
RVSR VA Wed Mar 25, 2009 11:02 AM
I am very disappointed in President Obama and in AFGE President Gage, especially President Gage. AFGE has very strongly supported pay parity in the past. Why the change now?
I am a comitted Democrat, but find it interesting that Gage supports a Democratic President over an issue that he opposed in a Republican.
How dare the president gives away trillions of dollars and none are for government employees. Maybe he should work for free to show us why we should not have an adequate raise.
PAY PARITY
PROGRAM MGR NUWC Mon Apr 6, 2009 8:37 AM
suggest president obama reduces the adminstrative cost of government and not the small amount of wages paid to federal workers.
the union's quid pro relationship with obama is in support of their far left values & not the interest of the workers!
Pay raise
Compliance Analyst FDA Tue Apr 7, 2009 6:54 AM
I agree, if Obama can keep printing money give billions to companies, there is no reason why federal employees to suffer. I am not a high grade employee but I am working on my high 3. A 2 percent raise would indeed hurt.
Fed Pay Raises
City Carrier USPS Wed Apr 8, 2009 8:42 AM
The rest of the world around us has been paying the human
price for the mismanagement and corruption in DC.
We must either pay our part, or stop it.
President Asks Federal Employees to Sacrifice in 2
Supervisor MEDCOM Wed Apr 8, 2009 10:35 AM
No problem, will he forgo the proposed health insurance increase, will he prevent cost of living raising. Alot is factored into Sacrificing, it can't all be one sided. Will those on SS Sacrifice their cost of living, and will their insurance premiums be froze. Will the Congress and the Senate, and down being freezing their salaires as well. It is always about the little people who must Sacrificing - it is time for the leadership to Sacrifice and give to the little people.
Pay Raise
Associate Director Education Wed Apr 8, 2009 10:58 AM
I do agree that costs rise but a 2% raise when everyone else is belt tightening is in my opinion fair.
Federal employees get benefits and other leave advantages many in the private sector do not.
If you want to take the private sector risk for more dollars leave public service.
2% in my view is fine for me.
The total pay system needs any overhaul but for the moment enjoy what you have.
pay raise & sacrifice
economist Forest Service Wed Apr 8, 2009 12:24 PM
I agree with the president. Federal employees should help out in this time of economic crisis. A 2% pay raise is not at all unreasonable. But, I would even go a step further and suggest 0 pay raise for 2010.
Regardless of the money being thrown around and wasted by the President and Congress, federal employees can contribute to saving money.
2010 Pay raise
Program Technician FSA Wed Apr 8, 2009 1:08 PM
I work in a state where State Employees are paid a higher wage then Federal. Also a big area of GM employees earning alot more then Federal employees. Also, the amount the employee contributes to their insurance premuims is a lot LESS for state and GM employees in this area than what a federal employee pays.
Pay Raise
Assistant Fire Chief DAF Thu Apr 9, 2009 6:07 AM
I will sacrifice my 2 shares of NSPS. Just get me out of NSPS and back to GS!
Sacrificing Pay Raise
Financial Analyst DOD Thu Apr 30, 2009 9:39 AM
When I see the President, Pelosi and all of Congress sacrifice some of their pay raise than will be more than happy to sacrifice some of mine. Lets be fair start at the top. Why is it always the little guy or the retirees?
2010 Gov Employee pay reduction
Procurement Analyst DLA Thu Apr 30, 2009 9:53 AM
I disagree that government employees should sacrifice pay because private sector businesses and states have laid off employees and the economy is poor. If my government pay does not go up because the economy excells and unemployment is low, then it should not go down when the reverse occurs. In addition, my spouse is laid off; I am already sacrificing.
Pay Parity with Military
Community Programs Specialist USDA Thu Apr 30, 2009 10:18 AM
I have no issue with a smaller percentage increase this coming year. However, it is a year when great personal sacrifice is being asked of all federal employees as we work through massive change, an impatient public who wants free money immediately, and a Washington bureacracy that is significantly slowing the distribution of that money. We are all working under significantly more pressure, with low staff levels, handling extra responsibilities and hours on the job with no commensurate compensation of any kind. All federal employees, whether they serve in the military or in the general federal workforce are significantly contributing to the recovery and well being of our nation. We should be paid fairly which means on par with one another.
pay raise for the house
union official irs Thu Apr 30, 2009 10:25 AM
i can't believe it.........the house voted not to have a pay raise in 2010? the majority of them are probably up for re-election soon.
2%
UnKnown Comic DAL Thu Apr 30, 2009 12:58 PM
Maybe Oboma, can ink a deal, where nothing goes up in price? And I mean nothing, around the world for that fact. Let all things settle in and down. Wishful thinking.
2% pay raise in 2010
Software Hill Air Force Base Thu Apr 30, 2009 1:45 PM
I will be happy to take only a 2% (or even less) providing that the entire Congress & State Reps. takes 0% or has pay under NSPS taken away from them, because they are overpaid cry babies anyway, arguing between them selfs over petty things, pull all your heads out of your... and act like a team and turn this bad economical situation around...
Pay Raise Parity
Project Leader USDA Fri May 1, 2009 9:00 AM
I would be willing to take the 2% or even less if I could be guaranteed our armed forces got a better raise, or matching funds for their TSP. It's time we rewarded our military for the dangerous job they do.
Let's see, defusing IED's vs. database management. Easy choice for me.
Federal Employees Sacrifice
Tax Exxaminer IRS Fri May 1, 2009 9:18 AM
Too bad they didn't ask AIG to make the sacrifice. There are a lot of Federal Employees who have already max'd out on their sacrifices under Bush.
So soon we forget history
Financial Manager Navy Tue May 5, 2009 3:20 PM
As a longer term federal employee, I recall the days in the past when friends in private industry were netting 8-12% raises plus bonuses (4 figures were normal) and we were getting a paltry 2-3% plus an incentive of $250.--and the raise getting us no further on the earnings scale as health benefit costs rose higher than the raise %.
As the federal employee slid further and further down the pay disparity slope, few rushed to our aid. No one,outside of the federal sector, wanted to stand by us and add their voice to affirm pay parity. Now that corporate greed , fiscal mismanagement, mortgaging the future policies have taken private industry to the whipping post, all are in favor of the federal employee
joining with them and sharing in their bad times.
It reminds me of all those who condem the USA until they are in need and then expect us to turn the other cheek and help them . They then goback to their old ways.
We deserve pay parity and no political spin can change that.
Re: So soon we forget history
Jessie B DOD MIL TECH Tue May 12, 2009 8:09 AM
Great points Financial Manager! I completely agree... They simply need to chalk this all up as a poor plan and move on to another idea!
WAGE FREEZE FOR 2010
CLERK DOD Wed Jun 17, 2009 9:10 AM
i am willing to give up my wage increase in 2010 the president had asked the civil service workers for.............we all have to work togetheras much as we can to help get this economy bak on track
Raise
Accounting Technician Dept of Treasury Thu Jun 18, 2009 12:41 PM
I think we should get a raise. The house gas bill goes up, car gas goes up, food prices go up, electricity go up, and everything. How can we meet if no raise? If things remain the same, I would be willing to give up my wage increase. But in our situation, there is no way to give up my wage increase.
FORGOTTEN SOLDIERS
urology manager VA HEALTHCARE SYSTEM Thu Jun 18, 2009 1:44 PM
What about the retirees. Why are they being left out. I guess they do not count. Think about it. They should be included more so.
pay raise and 250 bucks up in the air
Planner USDA Forest Service (ret.) Thu Jun 18, 2009 4:30 PM
I could go along with the 2% COLA. I am retired and not eligible for SS. What happened to the $250 all the retirees were supposed to get? All my buddys down at the coffee shop got theirs. Of course they have SS.
Thanks for your reply!
Rich Reeves
Sacrafice 2% 2010 Pay Increase
Military Pay Tech DOD Mon Jun 22, 2009 10:58 AM
I don't mine. Whatever I can do to help the economy and I did not have it anyway and I survived without out it. You don't miss what you never had.
I have a great idea
IT Specialist DFAS Tue Jun 30, 2009 8:59 AM
In lieu of a pay raise, I would like to have one day off - no pay raise, one day off - don't know how much that would save, but I can use a day off during the week.
Pay Raise
Not Important USDA Tue Jun 30, 2009 9:22 AM
Federal employees asked to accept a lower pay raise for 2010, why should we when congress is doling out money like it candy to banks and investment firms and they in turn take that money and double the pay of CEO's and other higher level management (who are already way overpaid) and for their over extravagant business trips. This is not how the bailout was intended to be used. I believe congress should force these banks and investment firms to return the money since they did not use the funds for the intended purpose. Also, bonuses are suppose to be performance based, so how do these CEO's and other higher ups get these hugh bonuses when their firm is going under - doesn't make good sense to me.
Proposes 2% Pay Raise
grunt grunt@gmail.com Tue Jun 30, 2009 8:07 PM
Don't mind the sacrifice but when BO says we are going to spend 3trillion to make his cronies rich so can't buy into the sacrifice. Want to get mine now.
We are heading into the worse economic downturn in American history w/ Cap and trade.
So up w/ the raise.
Accept a 2% in 2010? Why, Congress just gave
Retired Postal USPS Wed Jul 1, 2009 12:35 AM
themselfs a 8% raise. Come on O'Bama...keep the change.
You can quickly find any articles on this site with the search engine located near the top of most pages.
The latest article on the COLA for retirees (I presume that is what you are looking for since active federal employees receive a raise and not a COLA) is at: http://www.fedsmith.com/article/2041/
the same article is also an update on the pay raise.
Pay raise
Clerk FS Thu Jul 9, 2009 9:34 AM
I am very thankful to have a job with health insurance benefits. With all of the suffering millions non-govt workers and small businesses are experiencing economically at this time, I don't think it's too much to ask of govt employees to settle for a lower pay increase or even no increase. I do not have a problem with military folks getting a higher pay raise; they are making a huge sacrifice for the rest of us. If the administration and Congress would quit spending money they don't have, we would get out of this mess alot sooner. Low pay raises will be the least of our worries in a few years if our so-called leaders don't get a grip on reality.
I will make he president a deal...I will take the same pay raise he takes for 2010.
President Asks Federal Employees to Sacrifice in 2
technician HQ ARPC Mon Jul 13, 2009 10:21 AM
Does he not know that the pay raises in the past did NOT even come close to the raise in health insurance for those years. Why should we settle for a lower pay raise when congress and senate give them selves a pay raise ever year, does not make sense to me.
Pay raise
Sr.Case Tech SSA/ODAR Fri Jul 17, 2009 10:14 AM
I understand sacrifice if it's involves everyone, the House of Representatives were given 2.7% this year and then proposed that I get 2% did they sacrifice? No they did not. I live in California which is supposed to be broke. My car license fee has doubled from last year, sales tax increase, energy tax increase and the gas in california $3 and more. I think I am sacrificing in order for me to live I must pay increases you have to have money to pay. When prices, taxes increase your salary should reflect so you can pay your bills.
It's amazing that each president has a plan that they say will work it's in our best interest however they don't seem to learn from each others mistakes. Arrogrance
Pay Raise
Safety Manager US Army Fri Jul 17, 2009 8:29 PM
I'm willing to sacrifice as long as this do nothing President and the crooks in congress as well as the tax cheats in his administration take a cut in pay. Six months in office and things have gotten worse for everybody, especially the poor and now he wants penalize the government workers. The Change he promised has not been for the better, but I do have some change in my pockets.
concern
HR Specialist USDA Sun Jul 19, 2009 5:58 AM
I am a single parent mother workin for the federal govt and I have absolutely no complaints.
In fact I love my job and my benefits. But I do find it difficult to swallow the projected 2010 pay raisem
I was lookin forward to a nice raisen not so much significant but noticeable.
The reason I am concerned is because I will be a first time homebuyer in the very near future
And I was kind of lookin forward to at least a 2.9% increase. Hopefully things
Will change and the increase in the Dc area will change because
Of the high cost of living.
Civilian Pay Raise 2010
social worker va Sat Jul 25, 2009 2:42 PM
Seems to me, that whatever we get, 30% of it goes right back to our taxes anyway, so what we would be talking about is 2% added and 30% of the total returned. And in many cases, these increases put folks into a new tax bracket and we don't see any of it at all.
I'd be happy with NO INCREASES in the insurance premiums.
Pay Raise
Anonymous U. S. State Department Fri Jul 31, 2009 7:52 AM
How about asking the President to have the federal government, high-paid direct hires including contractors to stop traveling oversees every week and taking their families for excursions on the taxpayers' pennies? The President should consider utilizing the federal workers' talents rather than paying high-dollar contractors to work.
DEFICIT
FSA Technician FSA Fri Jul 31, 2009 9:37 AM
Let the ones that had to borrow the money pay their own interest and pay it back!! Why should we have to pay for their mismanagement. Are Congress & Senate going to forego their raises. The Credit Card Companies got ARRA monies & then still try to stick it to the public just like them all. The rich get richer the poor get poorer.
President Asks Federal Employees to Sacrifice in 2
technician HQ ARPC Mon Aug 10, 2009 8:59 AM
Is he crazy, we have sacrificed, doesn't he understand how far behind we are compared to the private sector. Also, any raise we get our insurance goes up double, so there is no raise seen in our pay checks.
He is needs to look at executive government, if any needs to sacrifice it would be them.
2010 Federal EMployee ay Raise
Deputy Branch Chief Centers fro Disease Control & Prevention Mon Aug 10, 2009 9:06 AM
I agree and support the decision for the 2% pay raise. Given the current economic situation and rising unemployment across the country, federal employees should be grateful for any increase in pay.
Pay Raise
Supervisor DoD Mon Aug 10, 2009 9:45 AM
I agree that receiving any type of a raise is a good thing, and really should not be an "intitlement". I just don't care for the reasoning. The private sector is not doing well, so Federal Employees should suffer too??? What??? I just don't understand this whole "everyone must suffer if anyone is" type thinking. When the private sector's profits were soaring Federal Employees didn't share the wealth, and there are pay parity laws that have been ignored as well. Now that things are a mess, we have to feel the pain. Again, we should be thankful for any pay increase, but not for the reasons being used.
2010 Federal Pay Raise
Office Manager Corporation for National Service Tue Aug 11, 2009 10:45 AM
No raise is better than none. But if the Feds can bell out the banks they can give Federal employees and military a 4% raise without a doubt. Enough said.
Pay raise for 2010
Administravtive Assistant US Army Corps of Enginers Wed Aug 12, 2009 10:44 AM
I don't think that it is fair to ask me to give up my pay raise, because I am a signle parent of four and I depend on the pay raise in order to support my family. This wouls come as a hardship for me as well as a lot of one income households in this region. I am already on a budget as is with this encomy crises.
Hell no!
Visual Information specialist Army Corps of Engineer Wed Aug 12, 2009 10:46 AM
People depend on this money - the cost of everything else is going up and we need our income to be raised to account for the high cost of living increases. personally, I work extremely hard and I deserve a raise! I can't do without that cost of living and locality pay raise or I won't be able to afford daycare, food, gas, clothes for my kids. Take the money from something like tax on cigarettes, and beer instead! Something that people aren't depending on!
Proposed 2% Pay Raise
Safety Specialist FAA Thu Aug 13, 2009 8:37 AM
My son is in college (father is out of work and out of the picture), my brother is out of work and he and his teenage son is now living with me while he finds some kind of work, my mother is in poor health and is also now living with me. Every little bit helps. I figure congress makes a lot more money and reaps a lot of "other" benefits than I do...The can afford to not get a pay raise...I can't!
Proposed 2% increase
Specialist FAA Thu Aug 13, 2009 8:51 AM
Concidering that my state has increased taxes this year to cover all the job losses (or whatever!) , I have an increase household members due to all the job lay offs (many have been taking jobs under the table to just to eat...therefore no unemployement benefits). Yes, I am thankful for my job...it allows me to let family members sleep on the couch and on the floor...no one is able to find work it the last six months. I am lucky if I can pay my bills as it is, now I have more mouths to feed. Im already "sucking it up"!
2010 Pay Raise
Program Support Assistant Forest Service Thu Aug 13, 2009 8:55 AM
Although the larger raises of past years are nice, how can we as Federal employees with some of the most secure jobs in the nation feel right and justified to get a higher raise when so many foks are losing jobs, their benefits and their homes? I for one certainly don't feel good about it, and would be perfectly happy to have a lower, if any, pay raise if it would mean additional assistance to help others through these hards times. we're all in this world together... we thrive together or we fail together.
SCRIFICE IN 2010
Management analyst Army Thu Aug 13, 2009 11:38 AM
Ok. Let's see....I'm going to be paying because the guy next door over estimated his income potential, I'm going to be contributing to paying off kids' loans for school, I'm going to be paying for people to trade in their automobiles many of which are better/newer than mine for even better/newer autos than mine, I'm going to be paying more so that everyone can have medical insurance,....I'm sure there's something I've overlooked. Oh, yes, I'll have less money to do all this!!!! What about me? I've paid my way through college, bought a house I could afford, etc. What about me????
Pay Raise/COLA
Retired DHS Tue Aug 25, 2009 6:33 PM
Pay Raise is what employees get.
COLA is cost of living increase for retirees.
I'm retired and on a fixed income, with COLA looking like 0 this year and maybe next. But I'm hoping and praying BC/BS premiums for me and my family don't go up much. It's like a loss in income.
I agree with many above. The cost of everythin is going up. Even if it levels off, we're playing catch up.
And I'm tired of hearing nonfeds remark about how we don't understand THEIR hardships. It's hard for Feds too - working or retired.
Federal Employees asked to Sacrifice
Senior Auditor USDA Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:23 PM
This is total B.S. I am sick and tired of being FORCED to sacrifice so Obama can bail out more corporations and their overpaid executives. Enough is enough, Obama should go ahead and change the name of our nation to United Socialist States of America (USSA, vice USSR). God I wish I could retire.
Sacrifice? Mismanagement more likely!
Federal Employee ICE Thu Aug 27, 2009 1:42 PM
Lovely - federal employees told to ignore new energy taxes we'll be paying, a soaring deficit with which our great grandchildren will be burdened, the anemic economy and insane expenditures made by BIG government, and then to tighten our belts, look approvingly at the big paddle, bend over, and say, "Thank you, sir, may I have another?" This, while our "let-them-eat-cake" president spends a half mil on date night, Pelosi and cronies use a one-day trip to Iraq to spend eight sun-filled days in Italy on the taxpayer dime, card-carrying communist anointed "Green Czar," and Joe "foot-in-mouth-disease" Biden dubbed watchdog over the stimulus payout - is that how the murderers, rapists and drug dealers in prison received stimulus checks from SSA. Hope everyone who voted for this socialist is happy now. You're getting change - and lessons in Civics - from the Poliburo (let-them-eat-cake powers) to the proletariat (you, I, and the rest of the working class drones). Next takeover, the media.
should be NO pay raise
retired soldier DOD Mon Aug 31, 2009 8:38 PM
How can this be justified when millions are being laid off?Gov. retirees are receiving zilch....0....
Fed employees should be getting zilch too....
President Asks Federal Employees to Sacrifice in 2
technician HQ ARPC Tue Sep 1, 2009 9:08 AM
Have they lost their minds, government employees are so far behind the private sector.
Federal Employee Pay
Program Analyst SSA Tue Sep 1, 2009 9:47 AM
It has always been that federal employees were well below averge pay when compared to private industry performing the same jobs. I feel that the proposed cut in federal pay increase will hit the federal employees really hard because our federal health benefits have really increased for the upcoming year. The 2.0 proposed will be as though we never got it. (and then some) Needs to be rethought especially when so many of us support health care reform - we will already be paying more for that and then our raise taken away - can't even think about what will be next!
Change you can believe in!
CBP Officer CBP Tue Sep 1, 2009 6:40 PM
The elitist wants us to sacrifice while he takes lavish family vacations! lol!
Pay Raise
Clerical DOL Fri Sep 4, 2009 8:18 AM
You know, a pay raise of 2% wouldn't be that bad if they would quit raising medical insurance, life insurance, taxes, and all the other so called benefits. It seems like every time a raise is given, we end up with less money in our pockets. In fact, we are paying out even more than ever for these so called benefits. For the majority of us, not in the Washington DC area I might add, we are living paycheck to paycheck. I belive the employees in Washington are drastically over paid and that the personnel outside of the area are no where near the salaries depicted and the raises aren't helping when health care costs have risen to twice the amount of the raise.
Partisan
Tax Specialist IRS Tue Sep 29, 2009 10:54 AM
You are a bit partisan aren't you. I didn't see any great proposed pay raises by Bush. I would appreciate you listing his PROPOSED pay raises while he was in office. He has not been a friend to any worker federal or private unless their income was over $1,000,000.00.
SOME FAMILIES TIGHTEN THEIR BELTS...NOT ALL
VISUAL INFO SPEC (RETIRED) DoD Thu Oct 1, 2009 3:05 PM
"Obama's budget message states: "As families are tightening their belts in this economic crisis across the country, the President ordered a freeze of White House senior staff pay. In this Budget, Federal employees also will be asked to do their part: the 2010 pay increase for Federal civilian employees, 2.0 percent, is responsive to the current economic climate, bringing Federal pay and benefit practices more in line with the private sector."
Families tightening their belts obviously do not include the Obamas. How many federal workers have used Air Force One to take a fun Valentine's Day trip to Chicago...that cost the taxpayers $425,000? Then there was that NYC date thing that supposedly cost $48,000 - $50,000. When is the last time any of you have entertained your friends, family and associates w/steak that cost $100 a pound? Does your wife wear $600.00 tennis shoes when she visits the soup kitchen? How much have all these trips on Air Force One to Denmark cost so far?
Federal Pay Raise
Personnel Scty Specialist AFISR Mon Oct 5, 2009 8:14 AM
Well being an old retired Veteran, I can understand where the Pres is coming from, if he gives us Federal Employees a good pay raise, he would not have enough to bail out all the car companies and banks so, what he is telling all us Federal Employees is
"Suck it Up", you are not getting a good pay raise, I might need that money to go flying around the world and take half of Chiago with me. Sorry if I sound bitter but I am. Thanks
Pay Raise
CLAIMS CLERK USAF Mon Oct 5, 2009 9:14 AM
I don't mind sacrificing the 2.% but what about the raise for health insurance they will take it all and more, if the raise is so low, then I might have to cancel my health insurance for this year and buy only accident insurance just in case something happens to me. As soon as I am able to buy health insurance then next year I might go back again perhaps by then the economy gets better.
Pay Raise!!!
Accounting State of NC Fri Oct 16, 2009 11:26 AM
Federal Employees are blessed! At least they receive a raise. They get 2% when state employees get no raise and the last two months of 2009 fiscal year, our salaries was reduced to cover the shortfall of the budget!!
WHY GIVE FEDS ANY RAISE?
COMPLETELY CONFUSED... CONCERNED CITIZEN Sat Oct 24, 2009 12:32 PM
When the President has cut Social Security how can he give the Federal Employees in D.C. a 2 % raise? How good of them to not take their regular raise and cut it to a measly $4700. raise when those who depend on their Social Security checks are not receiving a raise. But, we are getting a raise in the cost of Medicare for the next three years. Where is the sense of that?
Who does Obama think is shouldering the financial burden of his great changes? Wake up...you can't get blood from a turnip! Or maybe China will come to his rescue! God forbid!!!
Pay raises for Federal Employees
Mr Home owner Tue Nov 17, 2009 3:14 PM
They can hold us Seniors to ZERO % cola increase but can give 2% salary increase to all Federal employees.
What good is $250 when they get THOUSANDS!!!!!!!!
What are we to do? Yes, just DIE off and forget about us. The ones who built this Great Country gets the SHAFT. No matter what we say, they have their minds made up. VOTE THEM ALL OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No
DoL
Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:09 AM
President Obama,
I work for my living, I live within my means and I pay all my debts. However, there apparently are many out there who don't.....that is why you rammed a "stimulus package" through in order to reward those deadbeats. Now you want me to forgo a pay raise so I can help you continue to reward the deadbeats. Why should I? That would make me an enabler, much like you, for this type of cancerous behaviour.
Mr. President, please take a moment and pull your head out from under the rock you are living under and get real. It was bad enough when your mother-in-law moved into the White House at taxpayers expense (I call her the "First Free-loader--in honor of the First Lady), but I should not have to fund your grand schemes of ruination for this country.
Sincerely,
American Taxpayer
Re: No
SSA
Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:49 AM
Re: No
IRS
Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:08 AM
Re: No
DOL
Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:46 AM
Re: No
DOD
Fri Feb 27, 2009 10:35 AM
Re: No
DoL
Fri Feb 27, 2009 10:56 AM
I assume you are getting one of the hand-outs? Is that why you don't mind that the money is coming from someone else? If you don't mind giving your money away, please just work for free.
Or maybe you are upset because the person you voted for is treating you like a tool.....
Re: No
DoD
Sat Feb 28, 2009 9:28 AM
Re: No
SSA
Sun Mar 1, 2009 7:48 PM
Re: No
DHS
Mon Mar 2, 2009 11:12 AM
Google our current Treasury secretary (Geithner and the former Fanny Mae Freddie Mac chairman) As the policy developers for financial deregulation it would appear they are now getting their payoff; funny how people and things run in cycles in the government administration, don't you think.
Re: No
ICE
Mon Mar 2, 2009 11:57 AM
Why should we pay for lazy "people" to sit on the sofa, eating chips and wtaching oprah all day?
No, obama needs to get it right and CONGRATULATE and RECOGNIZE the workers in this nation instead of PUNISHING them to pay for deadbeats.
Wecome to socialism, folks. You voted for marx....er, obama.
Re: No
VHA
Thu Apr 30, 2009 9:46 AM
Make your point about the stimulus and then stop.
Many Americans are hard working people. You are are not the only one. I am not the only one.
What happen in the country was greed. Greedy CEOs at banking institutions and finiancial loan institutions. People go out and shop for homes. They go to a banking institution for the money. People trust the banking institions to tell them the truth. Some people are wiser and check the figures. Other don't have the knowledge to check the figures. Lets place the blame where it belongs. It belongs on GREEDY PEOPLE.
NSPS and Pay raises
DOD
Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:19 AM
I'm wondering how will this affect NSPS payouts
Re: NSPS and Pay raises
DoD
Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:53 AM
While I empathize with the comments of Taxpayer, above, quite frankly I was expecting Obama to announce a federal pay freeze for 2010. A small raise is better than no raise . . . or no job . . .
Re: NSPS and Pay raises
DOD
Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:44 AM
Re: NSPS and Pay raises
DOL
Fri Feb 27, 2009 2:07 PM
Re: NSPS and Pay raises
USAF
Mon Mar 2, 2009 5:25 AM
Proposes 2% Pay Raise
DOD
Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:40 AM
I expected it and have no rpoblem with it and I've always thought that the military should get a bigger raise.
A civilian CE
Re: Proposes 2% Pay Raise
V.A.
Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:13 AM
But I disagree with you that the military deserves bigger raises. I am a veteran, and people often forget that when serving in the military, an individual pays no rent, gets free meals and medical coverage, pays no gasoline taxes, and gets higher pay automatically if serving in areas of danger. Married individuals also get extra in their checks to offset the cost of housing. Sorry, even as a veteran, I'm not THAT sympathetic.
Re: Proposes 2% Pay Raise
USDA
Fri Feb 27, 2009 10:00 AM
Free rent. This is true, they either get housing or money for off post housing. Civilians just get one big pay check. Come retirement, civilians get a percentage of the big check, military a percentage of their base pay only. 30% of my current GS pay is greater than my E7 retirement pay.
Re: Proposes 2% Pay Raise
Forest Service
Fri Feb 27, 2009 11:57 AM
Re: Proposes 2% Pay Raise
DoD
Fri Feb 27, 2009 7:08 PM
Also, now they get hit with income tax on the BAQ because, even if they are in quarters (almost all managed by private contractors now), the BAQ is counted as income (although the contractor gets the money directly from Uncle Sam and the troops never see it).
I'm in one of those agencies that never gets raises. I'd be happy with the 2% as long as MY medical doesn't go up again, either.
Re: Proposes 2% Pay Raise
DOD
Thu Apr 9, 2009 6:01 PM
Re: Proposes 2% Pay Raise
DOT
Tue Jun 30, 2009 3:38 PM
Re: Proposes 2% Pay Raise
Department of Veterans Affairs
Wed Sep 23, 2009 1:21 PM
The president's staffers are OVER PAID and DOING very LITTLE for us. For his Mother-in-Law living with them, this shouldn't be allowed. because according to the rules, it is suppose to be the Immed family wife/ Children
Re: Proposes 2% Pay Raise
DOD
Thu Oct 15, 2009 1:54 PM
the military should get what congress receives, lets not forget what they are doing, to receive these benifets you remind us of. when was the last time you slept in a mud hole while being shot at, or did you forget.
Federal raises
USPS
Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:40 AM
Ah, you gotta love Obama! Pay freezes for senior staffers who make $168,000 per year. There are at least 18 in that category, 6 at $153,000, one at $147,600, 19 at $141,000 and many more. This doesn't even mention the chief of staff or the press secretary.
But his union loyalists will be taking home less in 2010.
All that and a tax increase to boot.
Has anyone figured out that this actually means that you will be making less in 2010 than in 2009?
Anyone remember the Campaign promises?
hehehehehehehe
Re: Federal raises
US Forest Service
Fri Feb 27, 2009 10:47 AM
Do people only hear what they want to hear, or do they just flat out lie?? If you make under $250K per household, you WILL be getting a TAX CUT.
Re: Federal raises
SSA
Sat Feb 28, 2009 12:44 PM
When you consider how much people make in similar positions in the private sector, the pay of these senior staffers is LOW.
Because of the prestige of the positions or perks, we usually get more than we pay for.
At least I certainly hope so.
Same with pay for congress. Their pay is paltry for their position, responsibility and influence. And although far too many of them do not earn what they get, we need to pay them according to what we expect, and then we need to elect those who will do what we expect.
Underpaying any position in government or the private sector always has negative consequences.
It is important to consider all perks of the job as part of the pay. And in that light one thing has always been true, we get what we pay for.
If you want to underpay congress and the executive branch (not to mention state government), go for it. But I promise you that overall, you will not underpay for your government, you will pay more.
Re: Federal raises
NAVY
Tue Mar 17, 2009 4:51 AM
You’re going to be taxed for energy (cap and trade). You’re going to be taxed for health care. They want to tax what you exhale (carbon). Next comes the oxygen tax.
These morons who caused this mess are unbelievable and using it as an excuse to turn us into a Commie/Nazi regime.
I feel better now. Yes you will pay more taxes and you'll like it.
CG.
AFGE rolling over
NASA
Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:41 AM
How about the federal unions rolling over to Obama? if Bush were still in office and had proposed 2%, they would have been screaming bloody murder.
Re: AFGE rolling over
GSA
Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:56 AM
Re: AFGE rolling over
DOE, Albuquerque
Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:59 AM
UNDER OBAMA THE FEDS GET A 6.6% RAISE IN 2010
UNDER BUSH YOU GOT A 1.9% PAY CUT IN 2009
Re: AFGE rolling over
FAA
Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:53 AM
Re: AFGE rolling over
DOD
Fri Feb 27, 2009 11:53 AM
Under Bush, he usually offered low ball pay raises & the unions fought as they should. This time is no different under Obama. Have you thought about getting your brother, & sister, astronauts organized into a union?
Re: AFGE rolling over
NAVY
Tue Mar 17, 2009 5:05 AM
Anything else I should thank him for?
Re: AFGE rolling over
USDA
Fri Mar 27, 2009 11:40 AM
Re: AFGE rolling over
USPS
Wed Jul 1, 2009 12:41 AM
2% Pay Increase for 2010
Department of Veterans Affairs
Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:46 AM
In Puerto Rico the increase last year was 2.9 since we do not receive locality pay. An increase of only 2% would mean a 1% increase for federal employees in Puerto Rico. What happened to the conversion to locality pay for Puerto Rico? If the 2% is across the board then I agree with EVERYONE making the same sacrifice.
Re: 2% Pay Increase for 2010
DOL
Fri Feb 27, 2009 2:08 PM
Re: 2% Pay Increase for 2010
DOT
Thu Mar 12, 2009 6:45 AM
2010 Pay Raise
USDA
Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:47 AM
Just because the president wants to give away money to folks who can't or won't pay their mortgages doesn't mean I feel some national duty to sacrifice. No indeed, just the opposite is the case. Give me my full pay raise and stop the maddest in Washington.
Reduce Pay Increase
FAA
Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:49 AM
I would be more than willing to give up all pay raises for 2009 if congress and the president would give up their Tax & Spend policies. The president and his democrat counterparts in congress need to stop giving away our tax money to bail out missmanaged companies and drop their plan to tax those Americans who have been diligent with their income and ran their businesses correctly. If they would do that, I would agree to zero increase in my 2009 wages.
Re: Reduce Pay Increase
DOD
Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:28 PM
Re: Reduce Pay Increase
HHS
Mon Mar 2, 2009 12:30 PM
2% Pay Raise??
IRS Treasury Division
Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:49 AM
Maybe President Obama and the Congress and Senate could give up some of their huge income and give to the people. and if they would quit their huge spending of the tax payers money, on traveling and expensive dinners and luxury living, then we would not be in this mess, also it was not their funds to take when they dipped into the Social Security funds that the taxpayers have taken out for their future, and now the SS is in trouble.. But we the people have just sat back, and let the government have their way and now we are paying for their mistakes of huge spending of Federal spending. Not to mention the millions of dollars Obama wants to give to the funding of Abortion...
Re: 2% Pay Raise??
DOD
Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:38 PM
Re: 2% Pay Raise??
DOL
Sat Feb 28, 2009 3:19 PM
Higher paygrades should receive less
U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs
Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:49 AM
For FY 2010, I would propose that higher paygrades should receive a lesser pay increase than lower paygrades, for example:
GS-14 to SES: 0%
GS-12 and GS-13: 1%
GS-9 to GS-12: 2%
GS-7 to GS-9: 3%
GS-5 to GS-7: 4%
Below GS-5: 5%
Persons at higher paygrades are generally better financially prepared to absorb the lesser increases, while those at lower paygrades are struggling more with cost increases - especially if they are (or were) working multiple jobs to survive.
Re: Higher paygrades should receive less
IRS
Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:08 AM
Re: Higher paygrades should receive less
Trees R Us
Fri Feb 27, 2009 10:51 AM
The person responsible for making decisions that determine the lives of others during a prison uprising, forest fire, national or military disaster, should make the same as the new trainee just learning where the supply closet is and how to answer the phone and log on to their computer!
Oh Wait! That would be..........
There are different job descriptions, responsibilities and the associated pay earned in all jobs, public and private.
Think about it. The more valuable the employee the more salary they will command. At least, that's they way it should be.
Re: Higher paygrades should receive less
DOD
Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:39 PM
Re: Higher paygrades should receive less
USDA
Fri Feb 27, 2009 3:20 PM
Re: Higher paygrades should receive less
SSA
Sat Feb 28, 2009 12:55 PM
It is also called socialism. The idea that all should be awarded equally, even if they don't perform or achieve equally.
It is also called a disincentive. People who suggest these things have no clue about human action. They believe that we all act with the best of intentions. They never studied history or psychology or even noticed how the world around them works.
I have a better idea. You keep getting what you EARNED, and richer and higher paid people will keep getting what they EARNED, and you stop trying to take money that other people earned.
(Ya I know, theres a whole bunch of higher paid people who never earn their money. True. And it is also true for my grade and your grade too)
Re: Higher paygrades should receive less
DOJ
Wed Mar 4, 2009 9:48 AM
Re: Higher paygrades should receive less
DoD
Mon Aug 10, 2009 10:05 AM
Gotta love those unions
Small Agency
Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:51 AM
So, let me get this straight. If it's a republican president suggesting that Feds get a smaller raise than usual and that the military get a bigger raise than Feds, the unions cry and howl and yell about the abuse, mistreatment, and downright disrespect Feds receive. But if it's a democratic president suggesting the same thing, then it's about belt tightening and doing our part to help. The hypocracy is so blatant, yet not a suprise. There is no better sign that the unions are a politically driven entity in the hip pocket of the democratic party.
And I know, the argument will be that it is the repub pres who got us into this and the dem is just trying to do what he can to get us out. But sorry, that doesn't justify the holier than thou attitude the unions have taken over the past 8 years to turn around so quickly and get on board. I for one believe we should get a smaller pay raise. But I've believed that for quite some time, not just when it was politically lucrative.
Re: Gotta love those unions
DOD
Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:42 PM
Re: Gotta love those unions
Small Agency
Fri Feb 27, 2009 1:38 PM
The President recommends a 2 percent pay raise for federal employees and a 2.9 percent raise for military personnel. I'm disappointed that this does not reflect the longstanding principle of pay parity between federal employees and the military, I intend meet with the administration to discuss the issue. I am interested to know what went into the analysis and why the civilian recommendation especially, came out at 2 percent.
We understand that these are tough times. However, I want to start a broader discussion with the administration on issues thatl impact federal employees. The FEPCA has never has never been fully implemented. Had that been done federal employees would not be paid 23 percent less than their private sector counterparts.
2% pay raise
FAA
Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:51 AM
I would be grateful to get a 2% pay raise. I wouldn't even mind having no pay raise for 2010. With unemployment as high as it is, and the economy in such a dire situation it seems like a very small sacrifice to make for the security of having a job with benefits. I would hope that if everyone gives up a little across the board it will add up enough to make up for our past excesses. After all, if our economy fails, we government employees will lose everything, including the retirement we have worked for so many years for. All of our benefits depend on the strength of the government and the nation.
Re: 2% pay raise
ED
Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:04 AM
Re: 2% pay raise
DoL
Fri Feb 27, 2009 10:59 AM
ED
The very real economic challenge facing the country is called President Obama and the Democrat-controlled Congress.
NSPS
NAVY
Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:51 AM
I wouldn't mind only getting 2% if the NSPS was canceled and it was 2% across the board. Under NSPS, supervisors will get 3% and the rest of us will get 1%.
Agree with taxpayer
DoI
Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:52 AM
Taxpayer @8:09 AM
I couldn't agree more. Guess some of those birds have come home to roost. I wonder what "Lockstep" AFGE National President John Gage" makes per year and what his raise will be.
All we'll have left is CHANGE
PTO
Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:53 AM
This guy has alot of nerve. What sacrifices has he made? Why didn't he scale back his inauguration (the most expensive ever) if he is so concerned? Forget about this guy being a secret Muslim. This man is a follower of Marx. He's a communist pure and through, hellbent on spreading the wealth from those he thinks makes too much to create/sustain a class of dependent voters who will come out to vote to maintain he and his apparatchiks in power. Look at this man's life and the people he showed a fondness for in his college years and those who have played a prominent part in his life since--Wright, Ayers and Pfleger. The man brags about studying the writings of Saul Alinisky and his Rules for Radicals. I never thought I'd say this, since I thought he made alot of missteps, but I think I miss Bush.
Re: All we'll have left is CHANGE
USDA
Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:23 AM
COMMUNIST!
Re: All we'll have left is CHANGE
DOD
Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:33 PM
Confusion reigns
DVA
Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:54 AM
President Obama has now separated federal employees from the rest of the population. As a Federal employee, did I surrender my other title of civilian. The truth is he can do it to us, but he has no control over the rest of the population. Federal employees have long been utilized as "examples". I recall a survey done many years ago by OMB or OPM that claimed Federal employees were paid significantly less than their civilian counterparts. Did I sleep through the catch up part and are we now at parity?
"when you find yourself in a hole, stop digging"
Re: Confusion reigns
DOL
Fri Feb 27, 2009 2:13 PM
YES WE CAN
A Small One
Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:54 AM
Do you realize that as long as we (our nation) refuse to make sacrifices or do something different from what's already been done, nothing will ever change. Let's be less selfish and be part of a greater good for our nation. Everyone has to do his/her part and while, yes, there are some people who mismanage what they have, let's just do our part, and complain less. Let's give things a chance to work.
Re: YES WE CAN
None
Fri Feb 27, 2009 11:04 AM
Re: YES WE CAN
USED
Fri Feb 27, 2009 11:13 AM
Re: YES WE CAN
USED
Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:57 PM
2010 pay increase
Treasury
Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:54 AM
Gentlemen:
In 2010 we may have $4 oil and double digit inflation and a 2% salary increase may be unreasonable. Many people don't get step increases and all they have is the cost of living adjustment. You should be asking the question will medical costs only increase by 2 %???
How soon they forget
DOD
Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:55 AM
History is a great teacher but apparently President Obama does not want to reflect on what has happened in the past to federal employee salaries. For many years, the federal employee received paltry raises (barely enough to cover increases in health care plans, FEGLI etc) whilst the private sector counterpart enjoyed much larger raises, bonuses and stock options. Now that because of greed, they have hit rough times, the president wants us to ride the lower wave with them. It does seem unfair that in times of relative prosperity, they were not asked to give up their raises, bonuses and the like to join their fellow Americans in the federally employed sector and accept limited raises, bonuses and the like.
Its a poor political ploy and one that should not be followed. Perhaps the President should be made aware of how those who were shortchanged in the past shouuld not be subject to it again.!!!
2% payraise
DCMA
Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:56 AM
I expected something like this from OBAMA!
All I can say is HAHAHAHA maybe now you dummies who salivated at the very mention of your "messiah"'s name can begin to understand what those of us who live in the Cook County area were trying to tell you about BHO and his background, everthing he does is an effort to make himself look good and he sure as heck does not care about you. A little less than 1420 days until the obama mistake is corrected!
Re: 2% payraise
DoD
Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:53 AM
What a joke!
USDA - Forest Service
Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:57 AM
As this president sold the futures of my great grand children for pork projects, he is asking federal employees to "tighten their belts"?
If this president and congress were interested in reviving the economy, they could have forgiven ALL current student loan debt (which would have dumped $500/month from my wallet into the economy), paid off 90% of current mortgage debt (releasing $1000/month), and/or given REAL tax cuts to Americans (rather than masquerading welfare as tax cuts to slackers).
This president and congress have begun destroying the country I fought so idealistically for. Shame on the people that voted for this joke and placed the majority of absolute morons into congress & senate.
Re: What a joke!
DOD
Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:36 PM
2010 Pay Raise
DHS
Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:58 AM
2% is fine as long as the rest of the withholdings out of the Federal pay check go lower (as has been stated) or at least stay at current levels. The historic 2.7%, 3.9% increases do sound good but what I feel the rest of America does not see is that social security or insurance or both have increased right along with the COLA's.
I guess all in all it's a heck of alot better than sitting out there holding a sign..
Pay Raise for 2010
Rural Development
Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:58 AM
This will be fair if the Insurance Premiums are in line to do the same thing.
Pay Raise?
USPS
Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:59 AM
Given the state of our economy, any pay increase for government workers might be viewed skeptically and with concern by those that are out of work—especially those that are unemployed because of private sector layoffs and downsizing.
Proposed pay raise
Dept of Army
Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:59 AM
I, at least, am not surprised at the proposed pittance increase. Federal employees are an easy target, for presidents, congressmen/senators, and demagogues in general, and have been for decades now. We should be used to it.
You may characterize our recent raises as "pretty good," but compared to what? Remember the Pay Comparability Act? It was a joke when passed, and I doubt anyone in Congress ever thought it was anything but an empty gesture, which it has been.
So it isn't just "sacrifice" the president proposes. It's more of the same, using federal pay as a convenient way of telling the voters you're "doing something," when, in fact, it's trivial eyewash for the budget, but very serious business for underpaid feds.
2% Pay Raise
DCMA
Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:59 AM
The President and all his cronies can kiss me where the sun doesn't shine. I am tired of not being paid what I'm worth to this country. I have served in war zones lived outside the United States for a number of years to support our country and its military, to be asked again to give up money I need to live because of people like the President attempting to control my life. Enough is enough, No and hell no to the proposed 2% pay raise, its about time this country paid its civil servants what they are due, no less than a 5% pay raise.
2% STINKS
DOD
Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:00 AM
Obama is trying to legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The President cannot give to anybody anything that the President does not first take from somebody else. The simulus package was rushed through without due process and is filled with waste. The omnibus bill is filled with waste as well. The taxpayers of this country will pay. So we're suppose to sacrifice to help with this waste. THAT STINKS! Welcome back Carter!
President Asks
USDA
Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:01 AM
If somebody asks me to sacrifice, I would say no. My wife just started a job as an IT contractor making 20% more than I do. She has no experience in the IT field, I have 24 years. I am already sacrificing.
As far as the military, their pay is only part of their total package. Base pay for an E5 is the same anywhere. Geographic and job related extra money is not calculated into their base pay, so their pay raise only reflects part. I am retired military, and I remember getting a pay raise but having my BAQ/VHA go down for a net effect of loosing money. Military retire based soley on base pay, where as a GS my locality pay figures into my retirement. Speciality pay would also figure in if I was still in the GS9-11 range.
So I don't expect parity between the two. I just think it is early to ask us to sacrifice, aren't they (the Democrats) fixing the economy?
Re: President Asks
USDA
Fri Feb 27, 2009 10:28 AM
2% Pay Raise
dept of treasury
Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:01 AM
I would not mind not getting a raise in 2010. I hope all of us are willing to give up a little so as a whole we (the USA) are better. I feel blessed that I have a job and by not getting a raise someone else may be able to get or keep a job. If we all have something, that's better than a few having a lot and many having nothing. It's time for American to look out for other American. May God bless all humans.
Re: 2% Pay Raise
dept of treasury
Fri Feb 27, 2009 11:12 AM
2010 Pay Raise
Internal Revenue Service
Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:03 AM
Federal employees have nothing to complain about. Considering all of the pay/ benefits they receive and the amount of work that they actually do on the job - they should be giving money back. What Pres. Obama is proposing is very generous considering what the private sector is going through right now. Wake up and smell the flowers folks - you don't know how good you have it.
pay raise
FAA
Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:03 AM
Although I support a smaller pay raise in these tough economic times, as I near the end of my career, the impact of a small raise will remain with me the rest of my life as it affects my retirement pay.
Is it possible, when times improve, for those whose "average high three salaries" were decreased by small raises, to have some parity with what would have happened under regular conditions? We already lost 30 - 45% of our nest eggs, so this compounds our problems.
Re: pay raise
DOL
Sat Feb 28, 2009 3:25 PM
2% Pay Raise
Formerly with the IRS
Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:04 AM
As a former federal employee and recent retiree, I am ashamed to read so many of these selfish posts from federal employees. The Commerce Department just reported that the GNP fell by more than 6% in the last quarter. There is real economic misery in the country. Anyone getting a raise in these times should consider themselves very fortunate indeed. I am thankful for receiving a very good pension. I think more of the posters should count their blessings and think of those less fortunate folks losing their jobs and taking real pay cuts.
Pay raise
Farm Service
Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:05 AM
Federal employees sacrifice every year based upon the Administrations latest whim. I see no need to pay the mortgage of those unable or unwilling to pay their obligations. Don't blame the loan officer, blame the folks who signed on the dotted line.
Blame the politicians who allowed loans with interest rates lowered with a subsidy. Blame the politicians who encouraged "no money down" loans.
We Federal employees should not be made to suffer and "sacrifice" when we only carry out politically correct policy.
Where is John Galt when we need him?
Fed Employees Pay Raise
NASA
Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:06 AM
I realize the prez is new to the job and a learning curve is to be expected; but he must be confusing me with the "double digit" employees. That is to say; I am only a '6' and barely make (let alone CLEAR) $50,000.
As to the comment above about the pay raise "...which you are not entitled to..." How dare you!! Every worker expects pay raises in order to maintain a certain the COST of livng. Are you working without that expectation? How generous of you.
How about we compromise and only those who are SES, GS 13's and above take the hit? How are GS 2, 3, 4's, et al EXPECTED to spend much less live without this pay raise?
I'll tell you now, if I don't receive this; I will cut back my spending even further. I'll have no choice. (and for spite)
And just as an FYI to "SSA" - that pay raise also factors the health insurance increase each year as well as just the general cost of living. It isn't strictly a "Raise" in the usual sense.
Re: Fed Employees Pay Raise
Retired
Wed Mar 11, 2009 10:28 AM
I'm sorry, but all I see is jealousy and Marxist tendencies displayed in a very ugly way.
President's Proposed 2% 2010 Pay Increase
OIG, USPS
Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:06 AM
We are asked to pay more taxes and receive less pay and benefits.
For those of you that wanted change and hope you now have it -- hoping for some change.
2% = $900 / 26 = $34 pay period
DOD
Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:10 AM
Wow, an extra 1/2 tank of gas every two weeks. Thanks Obama! How about getting rid of that brand new multi-million dollar helicopter to show "you're in this with us"! Better yet, why don't you trot on down to the Treasury and deposit the excess funds from your election campaign to show you're willing to sacrifice as well?
Pay Raise
IRS
Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:13 AM
Of course I would love to get a higher raise. But in these troubled economic times, when so many fellow Americans are suffering so much financial loss, I am willing to accept a smaller raise. At least we're getting something. Many others have been laid off or taken pay cuts. Truthfully, I too was expecting a pay freeze.
Surprise and Not Partisan?
USDA
Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:14 AM
Rubbish the issue of pay raises is NOT partisan. Now that we have Nobama as our leader, the unions are willing to roll over and allow a different military and civilian pay raise. WHO CARES WHY? This shows the corrupt nature of unions who are in bed with Nobama. Period. Civilian Feds should accept no less than the raise afforded military. Why should they? So they can fund an unfunded project so bold as universal free health care to all who do not work or illegal aliens? REJECT NOBAMA who soon will be known as the worst President in US History.
Pay raise
DOJ
Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:15 AM
As I live within my means, don't support my adult childern (they were taught to live on their own), have no problem with a 2% raise. Indeed I feel fortuneate to have a good paying job. ( I came from the corporate sector which is brutal)
However, I expect my elected representatives to get rid of pork barrel politics and start managing our country in a responsible manner. That means no more corporate welfare, no more doing what's best for the party. Start doing what's best for the country.
I would agree if...
DOD
Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:19 AM
He can tell me that my healthcare premiums will not increase by more than the amount of the raise, in effect, resulting in a pay CUT. Pay freezes and lower raises are great, but we all know they will go up at least 4%, just like last year.
Pay Parity
IRS
Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:22 AM
Although it would seem appropriate that Federal civilian employees "do their part" in this economic crisis, any break from pay parity between civilian employees and the military sets a bad precedent for future developments.
Pay Raise
FSA
Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:26 AM
I have no problem if I did not get any pay raise. I think the military should do the same.
I also feel that any in the SES grade structure should not get bonuses for thousand of dollars either. Will that happen? I will hear that these kind of people need to be paid so we can get good people. Most of those people are not that important and the agencies would function fine without them
Raise?
VHA
Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:26 AM
I'd gladly give up the 2010 raise - except for the fact that as you can see the Fed worker is being asked to help pay for the $Billions pork bill that congress just passed and no one has really read.
PUBLIC LEADERS SACRIFICE
HEALTHCARE
Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:26 AM
what about congress? don't they get an automatic 10% annually? didn't they pass a law so they don't even have to vote on it every year??
i dont mind cutting back for my children and grandchildren's future... but i also think congress and senate should lead the way. leadership by example... you know... weren't our first representatives considered "public servents?" they had a regular job and came to washington to represent their state.... what happened to good leadership? lead by example... as for the military they are way overdue for another big pay raise... congress needs to cut theirs and give to our military families!!!
Re: PUBLIC LEADERS SACRIFICE
Small Agency
Fri Feb 27, 2009 11:56 AM
Re: PUBLIC LEADERS SACRIFICE
DOD
Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:27 PM
It's Still A Raise
SSA
Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:32 AM
If the WORST thing that happens to federal employees next year is that we only get a 2% pay RAISE, I really don't think we can complain much. I work on disability claims filed by Americans faced with incredibly dire circumstances, and I am very thankful to have a stable job with good benefits.
Re: It's Still A Raise
USDA
Fri Feb 27, 2009 10:24 AM
This is just bologna so he can show hes trying to hold the line all the while he is spending TRILLIONS on his initiatives.
Wake up.
Re: It's Still A Raise
SSA
Tue Mar 3, 2009 8:32 AM
2% is better than nothing
ACF
Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:36 AM
I was afraid we would get no raise like when Reagan was President. I suffered greatly under the Reagan administration. I had just gotten married, bought a house with a 12.4% three year balloon mortgage. A 30 year fixed rate mortgage would have been 16-20%. And now we have people losing their homes with unbeliebably low interest rates. So many are guilty of excess. I've lived frugally, staying in the same little house I was able to afford 27 years ago. No vacations to Disney World either. So, yes, I am angry that I am asked to sacrifice. But, what alternative do I have? I should have been retired by now, but my TSP is worth less than the sum total of my contributions. I'll hang in a little longer and hope to boost my retirement income. And despite their protestations I'll bet most of us feds will stay a little longer. Let's all hope the stimulus plan works and our country gets back on its feet.
Re: 2% is better than nothing
DOD
Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:30 PM
Re: 2% is better than nothing
Fed Govt
Fri Feb 27, 2009 2:52 PM
Re: 2% is better than nothing
faa
Sat Feb 28, 2009 10:19 PM
Re: 2% is better than nothing
DOD
Mon Mar 2, 2009 8:12 AM
Did you do nothing over those years but sit on the returns and trust to "buy and hold?" I am having trouble finding anyone but YOU to blame for not being able to retire.
IT Specialist is right, those early 80's economic conditions were a direct result of the Carter years. If you won't accept responsibility for your own problems, at least blame the right people.
Unbelievable
SSA
Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:38 AM
Has everyone forgotten? This is not really a pay raise; it's a COLA! Given Obama's goals for increases in personal productivity and efficiency to support all of his lofty government initiatives, we should at least be given a COLA that will equate to the likely upcoming inflation increase, and also one that is equal to the military's COLA. Our government pay - even including benefits - has CONSISTENTLY lagged far behind what we could earn in the private sector. We even have a law on the books that is supposed to equalize it, and every year, we let that opportunity pass b/c we know the toll it would take on the budget to actually fund it. Perhaps all of those private-sector employees should've been taking better care of their larger take-home pay amounts, and should've been setting aside sufficient funds to handle an economic situation like this, as my family has. And, before you assume, I was a private sector employee until 2001....
Problem I have is the Predicate for the Request
USDA
Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:38 AM
If, and I mean, IF, the reduced raise were REALLY being used to do some good,,, such as helping those less fortunate,,, then maybe. Problem is there is NO connection. Its predicated on the belief that because some, and I mean some, are less fortunate, we all should be less fortunate. That somehow makes it all better somehow. Its preposterous. If this logic were taken to its ultimate conclusion, no one could ever succeed or fail unless all did. What rubbish. I can't stand these socialists.
The other problem with Nobamas proposal and the unions going along with it is that it helps perpetuate the myth that we are not really paid for what we do; rather, we should be thankful for these salaries (even though we are) because they are benevolenece bestowed upon us from the great one (Nobama). What about pay for performance and work.
Vote these libs out! They are wolves in sheep cloaks.
2% Pay Raise in 2010
DOI
Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:41 AM
Ralph,
Have a question on the 2010 2% raise. Is this another "Average?" The Average employee will get 2%; with some getting 5% and others getting 0%? Just trying to keep it straight in my mind. Personally, I'll be happy to keep my job, but it would be nice if the pay can keep up with the deductions (Health Insurance, for example).
Sacrafices
USDA
Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:48 AM
As a federal employee I am blessed to have a job and with that said, I realize that we all need to sacrafice at a critical time in our nation.
I think a 2% raise is tolerable in comparison to getting the dreaded pick slip.
Re: Sacrafices
DOI
Sat Feb 28, 2009 1:55 PM
I am a Peasant!!!
DOD
Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:50 AM
I am a peasant and I will always be!!! That's my lot in life, as a government worker.
Not Stimulated
DOD
Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:54 AM
2% will hardly help stimulate the economy.
2010 Pay Raise Proposal
DON
Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:57 AM
Government employees should be thankful for having such a secure job in our current (recession), to receive any possible raise, bonus, step increase would be great. With more than 6 percent of our country out of work, businesses struggling and banks failing, retirement accounts down 40 percent, stock market down by half from it’s high and foreclosures running crazy, we can’t just go on with business as usual. I believe we can forgo the trivia of a 2% pay raise which is not an automatic guarantee.
2010 2.0% proposed pay raise
FAA
Fri Feb 27, 2009 10:00 AM
I think President Obama should rethink this smaller pay raise for government civilian employees. WE are the ones who are supporting him in his endeavors as president, WE are the ones who carry out HIS wishes and WE are the ones who need to be recognized for our efforts. Time and again we are told that we are BEHIND the private sector in pay raises and all of a sudden he thinks we are AHEAD of the private sector? PLEASE be reasonable; we need to be fairly treated and recognized for our work not treated like second class citizens.
Pay Raise for federal retirees and GPO
Dept. of Veteran Affairs
Fri Feb 27, 2009 10:11 AM
I would like to know if President Obama is proposing a pay raise for federal retirees and if so, how much.
I also would like to know if the GPO will be revived so those of us who don't get their full social security benefits will start getting what we need and deserve.
Re: Pay Raise for federal retirees and GPO
DOL
Sat Feb 28, 2009 3:32 PM
Typical
DoD
Fri Feb 27, 2009 10:14 AM
Government employees are always asked to sacrifice during bad times (lower raises) and it’s understandable. However, in this case with all the money being spent to stimulate the economy one would think there would be plenty available for hard working civil servants. I guess the multimillion dollar big wig financial and auto industry execs are the only ones who are getting their wallets stimulated under the current rules of engagement. It makes me sick! If the president says zero raise for federal employees that’s fine with me as long as everyone including active duty military are treated the same way. As an offset, he should prevent health insurance and other benefit rates from increasing and covered services from being cut/reduced. Has anyone noticed the huge increase in out of pock expenses for medications the Blue Cross Blue Shield federal plan passes to employees for 2009. It makes me sick…so I’m glad to still have health benefits.
Re: Typical
DOL
Sat Feb 28, 2009 3:33 PM
2% Pay Raise, it is better than nothing
Department of the Army
Fri Feb 27, 2009 10:18 AM
I just hope if we have a 2% raise, then the Congress will follow through with their own 2% or even less raise. That would show the entire country that they are willing make sacrifices too.
I'm grateful I have a job. I have family members who don't. They are living with me and came down to my area of the country to get a job, leaving their house and everything familar because there are not jobs where they own a house. They can barely afford to pay the bills and cannot pay the mortgage if they pay those bills. So if I get a raise or not, that's fine with me, I just want to keep my job and on top of all that, my husband is active duty military on his fourth deployment.
We as a family know about sacrifice and are willing to endure more for this country. Quite gripping.
2% vs 3.5% - not a big deal
GSA
Fri Feb 27, 2009 10:18 AM
I am strangely okay with this. I look around and see many without jobs and struggling. A lot of jobs don't provide automatic raises like this and I have always just seen this as a bonus. To me, 2% versus 3.5% is not a huge deal in my paycheck but I can see collectively how much that would add up when you look at the entire federal workforce. If this helps is too all stay put and keep things running then fine with me.
Re: 2% vs 3.5% - not a big deal
VA
Fri Feb 27, 2009 4:27 PM
So, using a typical syllogism, you are OK with not getting the difference in the pay raise because the money is used to fund Rodent research? You would rather have the money spent on some unneeded pork project instead of on your dinner table?
Cool. You must not provide too much value to your agency.
Gotta go now. I am going to go buy a $100,000 property for $300,000 on a 12 % variable rate no interest loan. I need to get something out of this deal. Because so far, I am only paying out.
Re: 2% vs 3.5% - not a big deal
USDA FS
Fri Mar 20, 2009 9:47 AM
2 Percent into Perpetuity
USDA
Fri Feb 27, 2009 10:18 AM
The proposed 2 percent raise is not based on science. Nobama wants us all to feel ashamed of ourselves that we have jobs. Well even at 7.6 percent unemployment, more than 92 percent of all of us who want to work are. Further, the 2 percent pay raise figures into the long term because once the raise is 2 percent, that raise impacts other raises in the future. And if you are unlucky enough to be a long term older Fed who is already at the top of the steps, this is ALL you will get.
Nobama is a socialist. He will spread no wealth, only misery.
Shame on the unions for allowing this.
AND to call anyone who objects to Nobama selfish is also the epitome of arrogance. This slivering down of a raise will do NOTHING to help the economy. Lets not forget about all these initiatives Nobama wants to create,,, in order to steal from those who have and "give" to those who have not.
Re: 2 Percent into Perpetuity
DOI
Sat Feb 28, 2009 2:00 PM
Do our part even if it's not true
DOD
Fri Feb 27, 2009 10:19 AM
I know our country is in trouble. I am willing to get less of a pay raise. I am willing to pay more taxes. The problem I have is telling me how I need to be more inline withthe private sector. I took a huge pay cut by leaving my private sector job to work for the government. I had my reasons to work on base, most of which are due to family issues. I had better retirement benefits in my private sector job and for the most part the WG's I work with could make far more money in the private sector, but more than a few choose to work on base for other benefits and a supposed job security. I know I have a good job, I am grateful to work. I also know if I lost my job tomorrow, I could be back at work in a minute, I have skills and a license to do what I do for Uncle Sam on the outside. We are NOT paid inline with the private sector for the work we do. We have other tangible and intagible benefits but as far as pay NOT even close!
2010 Pay Raise
DHS/U.S. Coast Guard
Fri Feb 27, 2009 10:20 AM
I wouldn't have been surprised or offended if federal government employees were told that there wouldn't be a pay raise at all in 2010. While we all work hard, many of us (not all, I understand) have job stability and we all have much better health insurance and other benefits than is available to most U.S. workers. My husband has been unemployed for over a year, and it is not for lack of trying. While our family has had to make some cuts in our budget and reduce our rate of retirement savings, I'm thankful that I am a career civil servant right now. In today's fiscal climate and in the face of a huge deficit, we owe it to our children to make some sacrifices.
Say Goodbye to Realistic Pay Raises & Pay Parity
DCMA
Fri Feb 27, 2009 10:24 AM
I do my part to support our military by giving 100% at the office. I am grateful to have a job, but our military is grateful to have me, and Civil Servants like me, on the job. I exercise due diligence every day to ensure that our Government pays fair and reasonable prices for Defense Contractor support and that our military gets the products and service it needs, timely. I pay my fair share of taxes. Every day, I support a family AND our economy with my paycheck. Federal Unions are primarily left wing. So, now, not only are we back to 2% or less raises under the Democrats, we are taking steps backward from pay parity initiatives supported by our unions. I expected this lack of committment to support Federal employees and this self serving mentality from both our left wing President and left wing Unions. I am grateful NOT GUILTY to have chosen wisely a job with good benefits.
Feds, expect to consistently be asked to pay for bad choices by the Dems. It's the left wing way!
dual careers
unk
Fri Feb 27, 2009 10:28 AM
For couples where both work for the federal government, this small raise wouldn't be so bad. But those who have a spouse who has already lost a job, or about to lose a job, are going to sorely miss a bigger increase.
2010 Pay Raise
Dept of Homeland Security
Fri Feb 27, 2009 10:29 AM
I have no problem with the 2% pay raise. Everyone has to realize this is a major economical crisis in our country. I am thankful for having a job. My only request would be that Congress and others follow suite.
I'm in favor IF ....
USDOT
Fri Feb 27, 2009 10:48 AM
I'll support it as long as both the House and the Senate are also required to take a pay CUT. I'm not saying "limit on the cost of living increase", I mean a PAY CUT.
Heaven forbid some congress should have to cut back on his staff and do some work for him/her -self.
How do I get out?
DoD
Fri Feb 27, 2009 11:00 AM
How do I get out of the Union?
Re: How do I get out?
USDA/Rural Development
Fri Feb 27, 2009 3:57 PM
2010 2% pay raise
Forest Service
Fri Feb 27, 2009 11:00 AM
I think it's only fair that we shoudler some of the burden. I'm in favor of reducing our pay raise in 2010. After all, we have the most secure jobs in the country.
Re: 2010 2% pay raise
DOD
Fri Feb 27, 2009 3:27 PM
where we lost everything that we worked 20 years for on the heels of a hurricane ( think Hugo) federal employees are always the whipping boys.....
and remember in the old pie chart - DOD is the biggest slice so that is where they will be cutting - watch and see....let's see Gage and Hoyer Porky Pig their way out of this Thats All folks
What about the [Hidden Gov't] Contractors
DOI
Fri Feb 27, 2009 11:19 AM
As long as those contractors we work alongside can have the contracts we've issued -- with GSA APPROVED four to five percent increases -- most of which goes to overhead and profit of the Firms "do nothing" owners RESCINDED, I might think about it.
All I see is more work to spend the "Recovery Act" funds with no plans to supplement an already depleted and overworked procurement workforce!
Reads like, "take from the poor, give to the wealthy, " to me!
2.0% Pay Raise
HHS
Fri Feb 27, 2009 11:20 AM
I doubt that the 2% raise will become fact. Obama owes the fed unions for his support and he will cave. The three feds that actually passed Econ 101 and voted for this turkey anyway must be steaming. The rest get what htey deserve.
pay raise history
IRS
Fri Feb 27, 2009 11:21 AM
I would be interested in seeing information about what exactly was the average federal pay raise each year, for say the last 40 to 50 years. And then a comparison of that to the yearly inflation rate. I've been in federal service for close to 30 years. A couple of years ago I did a portion of this sort of fact gathering I'm talking about, but could only go back so far with the pay raise info. I was surprised by which party running (ruining) the administration (Demo or Repub) was the more generous.
Obama and Federal Pay Increase
Forest Service
Fri Feb 27, 2009 11:25 AM
NO to Obama and his plan to only allow 2% pay increase to federal employees. I do not want to be the sacrificial lamb to pay for his stimulas package. I earn my money and deserve the increase; and to keep up with the increasing prices of food, gas, rent, etc. I am already cuttiing back. I did not donate to the CFC last year. Has he cut the salaries of all the CEOs in the banking industry? How about cutting off the spending of Pelosi? She spends $120k a week going to and from CA to DC. That, for you Obama voters, is $480K a month, at the very least, for her private non-stop plane. First one to have her own private plane paid for by the taxpayers. Let Obama start cutting at the TOP. NO, I am not going to be a sacrificial lamb for his outrageous spending.
Re: Obama and Federal Pay Increase
USDA FS
Fri Mar 20, 2009 10:27 AM
I am a GS-6 Resource Tech and am thankful for an annual COLA and Step Increases as entitled.
Many comments have been made about the Stimulus spending and Economic Crisis. My theory is to pay yourself FIRST.
I will be doubling my TSP deposit to $600 per pay period into the G Fund and will be living on approximately $1000 per month. My taxable income will decrease and I will hopefully not have to pay in more taxes for 2009 returns.
My hope is that I will have funds in TSP when I retire and the taxes I will have to pay will be affordable. For now I do not want to pay the high taxes we will be required to pay for 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012...... until there is a new Administration.
Two Percent is better than nothing . . .
DOI
Fri Feb 27, 2009 11:25 AM
Two Percent is better than nothing as long as the "BAILED OUT" Insurance companies are restricted to the same two percent increased when the next Insurance OPEN SEASON comes aroung.
Even this year's 3.9% Pay Increase is a joke when most of it goes to cover the ten to 15 percent Health Insurance premium increases!
Work for the Gov't and go broke slowly!
Pay Raise
FSA
Fri Feb 27, 2009 11:27 AM
How about freezing pay raise at GS-8 and above.Lower tiered do not make that much. Not so easy for the lower Grades to forfiet!
2% pay raise
Forest Service
Fri Feb 27, 2009 11:28 AM
I am so ashamed and appalled at the self-centered and mis-informed comments I've read from the most fortunate group of people in the country right now. I hope no one from the private sector can read these comments, they are shameful. While the rest of the country is suffering (many in my own family, through no fault of their own, thank you) you all can only think of yourselves. Thank God this isn't World War II when sacrifice was asked of every American. You self-entitled people would have assured our loss of the war.
Re: 2% pay raise
IRS
Tue Mar 3, 2009 12:20 PM
2% Raise
DoD
Fri Feb 27, 2009 11:34 AM
Too bad so many feel the need to complain about a RAISE in salary. State workers here in Ohio will have to endure furloughs while some city folk are already laid off.
So, federal workers, stop complaining and consider yourselves fortunate to be in a pretty good position during these hard economic times. Otherwise, if this raise causes so much misery, I would suggest that you seek other employment.
2010 Pay Raise
Department of the Army
Fri Feb 27, 2009 11:35 AM
I would not take issue with such a small pay raise if everything else didn't go up as well...When Health Insurance and Life Insurance increases, then I'm lagging way behind. As far as being on "par" with the private sector, while our benefits package may be better, our salaries, at least in my filed are not on par. However, I'm willing to take a lower pay adjustment for the "greater good". Just make sure my Health Insurance premiums and my out of pocket expenses don't shoot up.
Re: 2010 Pay Raise
DOL
Sat Feb 28, 2009 3:40 PM
Re: 2010 Pay Raise
Borg
Mon Mar 2, 2009 9:47 AM
Re: 2010 Pay Raise
USDA
Mon Mar 2, 2009 9:52 AM
Re: 2010 Pay Raise
DoD
Wed Mar 4, 2009 11:15 AM
Federal Pay Raise
HUD
Fri Feb 27, 2009 11:41 AM
I wish people would quit saying "the average federal pay raise" when that is so untrue - those of us who are caught up in the "rest of the USA" don't get anywhere near the "average federal pay raise!!!!!"
Pay
USDA
Fri Feb 27, 2009 11:56 AM
Many of the comments posted here illustrate what many are saying - we have become a nation of whiners. To those of you complaining - if working for the federal government is to terrible, no one is forcing you to remain in your job. Please feel free to quit and share your wonderful talents with the private sector. I am sure they will reward you greatly.
We are in a crisis of historic proporations, and to hear the simplistic moaning and crying from many here is very discouraging. There are no easy solutions, and frankly no one, even the leading economists of the world, are certain what will work and what won't. What is certain, is that anyone who has a stable job and benefits should be extremely greatful.
Re: Pay
USDA
Fri Feb 27, 2009 4:09 PM
This bologna about using the Fed pay raise as a chip to convince folks he is holding a line on budget is insulting. That is not a whine, Manager, its a fact.
He could quit spending some of the trillions on his Stalinist agenda,,,, and printing money,,, then the unfortunate would be better off.
Manager.
Wow, what a Manager!
Re: Pay
Small Agency
Mon Mar 2, 2009 9:32 AM
If you're going to be snarky about grammar, at least make sure your entire post is grammatically correct.
Leaving the apostrophe out of "its" indicates it's a possessive form rather than a contraction. There should also be a comma, not a period, after "proporations"
You'll also need to review your history if you think Obama is trying to implement a "Stalinist agenda". I see no effort on his part to dictate production or consumption of goods and services. Perhaps you've confused it with "nationalization". It's hard to tell since you wrote nothing of substance or value.
2%
DHC, ICE
Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:04 PM
I have not got a step increase because I have maxed out and now only 2%. This is the only thing I get.
Yes the a freeze of White House senior staff pay is more then called for and I aggree that upper fed should also give up there raise to help.
Two Percent But .....
DOD
Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:22 PM
.. the issue goes well beyond merely the issue of a 2% raise. As many have already commented, 1) federal employees have always sacrificed themselves or been held out as sacrifical lambs; 2) the equation is certainly not balanced between what is being handed out freely to the irresponsibe vs. those who bust their buts every day to continue to make this country great; 3) greed and political stupidity is what got us where we are economically; 4) those who have achieved moderate success for themselves/their families through their own hard work & sound financial practices - like saving for a rainy day - are now being penalized and looked upon as the enemy; 5) all "his" friends are now the benefactors of all hard-working & honest American citizens. Dare I say it? I don't think "he" is an American. "He" is a sell-out. As a nation, we are greater then "him" so we will survive. He is a one-term mistake. GOP Congressional staff are also learning that the writing is on the wall.
Re: Two Percent But .....
USED
Tue Mar 3, 2009 11:37 AM
Proposed payraise
hhs
Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:32 PM
I do not think this has anything to do with support for a candidate as you have made reference to at the end of your article. I think your article is skewed towards bringing about dissension among government employees along political lines. We are in a economic crisis. Everyone has to do their part to get us out of this. Government employees benefits and salaries are pretty good even into retirement and they do not get layed off.
Happy to have a job!
VA
Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:33 PM
Like most working class folks, I am incensed about the root causes of our current financial debacle. Greed, lack of adequate oversight/regulation, and irresponsible mismanagement by overpaid CEOs come to mind as the main causes. At this point, I feel grateful to have a fairly stable and secure job that pays me a fair living wage. If I "only" get a 2% increase then I can surely live with that. Compared to many Americans, I'm doing fine, thank you. And, I think that giving our military a slightly bigger increase is fitting, especially during times of war.
But, for the author to imply that my vote for President Obama was guided primarily by some concept of tit-for-tat is insulting and suggests we all only want more for ourselves. I work in government because I believe I'm helping our country, and if I "only" get a 2% increase then that's fine. I trust our President to do what he thinks is best for the entire country, not just for me, thank you very much.
Don't have an issue with the 2% raise
GSA
Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:50 PM
I completely understand that we ALL have a part to play in this recovery. While I can keep a roof over my head with that 2%, there are people in the private sector who have had to seek out public assistance just to keep from living on the street or not being able to feed their children. I'm an adult. I have no problem in sacrificing for the greater good.
And if Obama had proposed this during the 'wining and dining' of the federal unions, I would still have been alright with it. I probably would have thought higher of him for being honest with the federal community.
2% raise
dod
Fri Feb 27, 2009 1:17 PM
oh hale to the messiah, Obama, as he rules and reigns with incompetence with poliburo Pelosi and Prince Harry
Re: 2% raise
Small Agency
Mon Mar 2, 2009 9:35 AM
What I can't believe is that so many people seem to have forgotten that it was 8 years of George Bush that got us where we are today!
Proposed 2% pay raise in 2010
Forest Service
Fri Feb 27, 2009 1:45 PM
As a Federal employee, I have no problem accepting a pay raise of 2% next year. Not only are we fortunate to have jobs and regular paychecks, but it's appropriate for those of us in government to do our part. It's a small sacrifice. With unemployment in our area nearing 14% I'm grateful that I've even got a job, let alone one that will include a small pay raise next year.
2010 Proposed Pay Raise
SBA
Fri Feb 27, 2009 1:58 PM
I think it is important that we all share in the solution to this mess. The tone of this administration is YES WE CAN!!! That means we all will have to do our part - Federal Employees Included
Re: 2010 Proposed Pay Raise
DOL
Fri Feb 27, 2009 6:06 PM
TOO BAD I CAN'T PLAY SPORTS
us govt
Fri Feb 27, 2009 2:12 PM
A defensive tackle just signed a contract for 7 years at $100 Million dollars, whats his name in LA (Dodgers)turned down a $40 Million 2 year deal because it wasn't enough.
These types of payouts affect (or is it effect) us all as much as CEO payments. I will not be made to feel guilty because of job security or annual raises. I wish everyone a raise, but if we all are expected to bite the bullet ,it includes athletes and actors.
Re: TOO BAD I CAN'T PLAY SPORTS
Fed Govt
Fri Feb 27, 2009 3:17 PM
2% Pay Raise
DOL
Fri Feb 27, 2009 2:14 PM
There are people in the private sector having their hours and/or pay reduced so none of their coworkers are laid off. Please don't cry because you're "only" getting a 2% raise. In these days and times, I think this raise is more than generous--but then again, I care about the entire country, not just myself.
Re: 2% Pay Raise
VBA
Fri Feb 27, 2009 4:20 PM
Read teh legislation before you post here on what you infer is principle. Lack of knowledge in a position is not analagous to principle.
Undeserved Raise
DOL
Fri Feb 27, 2009 2:18 PM
There isn't a single post talking about what CS are going to do to justify the raise... This is another raise based on attendance. Unless there is increased efficiency to offset the cost the taxpayers are being screwed again. No where else in the world other than Cuba can you go where people get a raise for doing nothing.
All this is is another bailout for CS
Double Standards
SSA
Fri Feb 27, 2009 2:22 PM
The Union makes me sick, Had Bush attempted this over the last 4 yrs the Union would have been up in arms...
The fact that they fully support this and even the difference between military and civilian only proves the agenda... I will be leaving the union!!!!!!!!
I don't mind at all taking a hit, its the politics that sickens me... It's so blatently in your face...
Pay raise
VA
Fri Feb 27, 2009 2:31 PM
Yeah - works for me AS LONG AS THEY keep FED BCBS, vision & dental & MEDCO from going up
Re: Pay raise
DOL
Sat Feb 28, 2009 3:44 PM
OH where has my Steny Hoyer gone????
DOD
Fri Feb 27, 2009 2:32 PM
You always talk avg pay raise. Do the math! The rest of the US always gets less pay. If we did a break down of total government employees, I bet the biggest group would be the combined rest of the US. By changing the way of computation years ago (starting with Clinton), they figured out a way that they could give the big fat locality pay raises to the high concentrations of FEDS in the big cities ( hence votes). In 2007, rest of the US ended up with a 1.8% raise. In 2010 we probably wil get 0.8%. I work in a office with military ( a chief is my boss). They always get raises bigger than mine. They get bonus money for re-enlistments that they can roll over in the TSP. They get extra pay for housing etc. When they retire, they hire in as civilians drawing their military retirement and GS-12 pay. They and their wives drive huge SUVs, take exotic vacations, have $300,000 homes with inground pools. They work 8 hr shifts, are off the weekends and complain about it. OH STENY!!
Re: OH where has my Steny Hoyer gone????
SSA
Sat Feb 28, 2009 1:47 PM
But lets entertain the idea that these are not generals but just military folks in general.
That would make you stupid for not joining the military then wouldn't it?
That is, if what you said was true of course.
But since you did not join the military to get the same astronomically higher benefits that you allege, then we can be pretty sure that you are just whining and slamming the military for selfish interests and have a victim mentality.
2% proposed pay raise in 2010
IRS
Fri Feb 27, 2009 2:33 PM
Thanks for the newly elected lying democrate president, already giving us the shaft 2 months into his office
True THAT!!!!
DISA
Fri Feb 27, 2009 2:34 PM
Everything here has some truth to speak.
*Feds don't know how good they have it.
*Military might deserve more.
*Obama has his head under a rock.
*We're paying for those who have failed miserably.
*Congress is the ones who deserve a pay cut!!!
What the heck do you do with all this truth? Merely demonstrates that we've built a house that's hard to live in. The responsible have the right to scold the irresponsible but we all pay in the end. There are only painful answers now, but we are not yet willing to face that. Regardless how you managed your own affairs Congress and (several) administrations ‘slept at the wheel’ and now we are in the bar ditch, DEEP. Once the “historically challenged” figure out wheels don’t have traction at high-center, we can take our medicine by starting the long walk home, through bank failures, foreclosures and personal bankruptcies. Too bad we’ll soak ourselves deeper in debt till then.
Re: True THAT!!!!
SSA Mesa AZ
Sat Feb 28, 2009 2:26 PM
There is no magic pill. Just like the Great Depression, the more the government does, the more the pain is softened, but the worse it is in the long run.
Choose your pain and consequences. Do you want it all at once? Or do you want to pay for it over time WITH INTEREST? And how much interest (pain) do you want to pay? Do you want to pay for it twice?
We can let those who did the worst suffer the worst, or we can suffer equally together. Personally, I prefer to suffer for my own mistakes and let others suffer for theirs.
I cannot get away from sharing their pain, and I do not necessarily want to. But what I will never agree with is having government assign suffering to me that justly belongs to another.
The economy is in near ruin. It is truly unconscionable that we should get any pay raise at all.
But I also don't believe I should give money to banks or homeowners which they don't have to pay back. It's immoral!
What about the bailouts?
DOD
Fri Feb 27, 2009 3:11 PM
If we weren't spending so much to bail out companies that don't deserve it, we wouldn't need to sacrifice anything! WAKE UP PEOPLE! Let the market do its thing and correct itself by the natural process of businesses that can't compete going under.
They Still Don't Get It
Fed Govt
Fri Feb 27, 2009 3:12 PM
Fedsmith, can you post the article AGAIN for all these commentors lamenting about the the cost of living? Hey folks, we don't get a COST OF LIVING ADJUSTMENT every year, so stop with the all "facts" about how much everything costs! If that was the case, we wouldn't be getting anything.
Above article
OPM
Fri Feb 27, 2009 3:19 PM
What is most interesting about all this is the muted tone taken by the Federal workers' vaunted protectors, the Federal unions. Had President Bush had the temerity to propose such a deal, teh fireworks would have reverberated from here to Timbuctu and back. Amazing what a change in behavior. It harks back to the Clintoin years when the unions rolled over and played dead in the midst of massive downsizing, refusal to implement the FEPCA pay comparability computation process, put in place the meaningless "partnernership" process, etc. Clinton made the union presidents think they were playing with the big boys, all the while they were being snookered. Perhaps a reprise of that scenario is in the cards.
Sacrifice?
Rural Development
Fri Feb 27, 2009 3:19 PM
Asking government employees to "sacrifice" is kind of a slap in the face when you consider how many politicians have been avoiding their own tax liabilities lately... and they are the ones who will make the calls on our pay increases? How about they start walking the walk instead of just talking the talk? That said, a little increase is better than no increase at all.
Why Not Just Cut the GS Scale in Half?
USDA
Fri Feb 27, 2009 4:14 PM
If holding the COLA to 2 percent is really good for the country, and Federal wages are really nothing more than some form of Govt generosity, as opposed to a payment for services rendered, then why not just immediately cut the GS scale in half? Wouldn't the country just take off economically. And if you did not like it, quit and go to the private sector.
Of course this is all ludicrous,,, just like Nobama Hussein and his Ilk are. This class warfare crap has got to end. Every time this guy opens his trap the markets tank. What have we done to ourselves?
This is a joke
VBA
Fri Feb 27, 2009 4:15 PM
I work hard. I am also considered a top performer in what I do across the board. I find this raise insulting.
First off, compared to my private sector counterparts in the local area, all factors considered, I make ten to thirty thousand less. So, I am now asked to sacrifice so that the government can bailout my neighbor who took out a 12% variable rate loan and inflated his home valuation by 25% (with a wink and nod) so he could immediately take out a HELOC at 10% to finance a Hummer, Harley, pool, and vacation. That's freakin great!
What's more absurd, is how unions took this laying down. Imagine if George Bush tried this lame excuse. The unions would have gone nuts. Therefore, this issue transcends principle as many would have you believe. It is merely politics.
To all those employees who say we should be greatful to have jobs, I say you are most likely a fair performer (at best) and just grateful you are not working at a car wash. Get some skills.
Re: This is a joke
USDA
Fri Feb 27, 2009 7:23 PM
Re: This is a joke
Trees R Us
Sat Feb 28, 2009 11:12 AM
I guess if he stayed, the bailout would let him keep his house, keep his goodies and new cars, and reduce the principle on his home! After all! He needs the help with his upsidedownness, not me! SILLY SILLY ME!
And my taxes will be raised to help him and others like him!
Oh well, I just keep prodding along saving for my cabinets and hope they don't fall apart before then.
Re: This is a joke
SSA
Sat Feb 28, 2009 1:13 PM
Oh but wait, you are staying with Uncle Sam out of altruistic motives. You are serving your country right?
But wait, if that were true, you wouldn't be complaining about the pay raise.
Do the tax payers (and those of us who may actually have to work with you) a favor and go make $30k more in the private sector - if you can.
Talk about dishonest.
Re: This is a joke
VBA
Sat Feb 28, 2009 8:51 PM
It's freaking amazing. Throwing out that altruistic garbage. The only altruistic belief I have is providing for my family. You think the government, as an entity, operates on altruistic motives? You actually think Obama, or any president for that matter, is or was in office based on altruism?
I work for the federal government because they pay me fairly well when you factor in the relative job security. However, the fact of the matter is that if you are a top performer and have an advanced degree, you can pretty much STILL go about anywhere with the exception of the financial industry. Human resources is one of those fields that is always in high demand anyway. Just look at USA jobs. Agencies are falling over each other to recruit seasoned and well qualified HR Specs. You can pretty much punch your own ticket.
Re: This is a joke
Manufacturing Industry
Fri Aug 14, 2009 3:04 PM
Recession.... lots of lost jobs.... lost industry....new President taking us the brink of disaster with health care reform... Buddy, you better be greatfull you have a job! You are really out of touch with reality.
Get Use to Your Open Wallet you 30 something folks
Retired DoD/USCUstoms/FAA/USAF
Fri Feb 27, 2009 4:27 PM
The mere 2% for Feds is only the beginning of a downward spiral to take more $$$ from productive employees in both public and private sectors. The econ 101 course reads that the more $$$ you put in workers hands the more it will stimulate the economy. I do not agree that hardworking people need to continue to give. The federal worker is not the answer and I resent having to reduce an earned COLA. Same goes for retirees and those on SS. Federal workers and their union officials vote for a different mindset next election--this is not a welfare state nor a socialistic state. For those who cannot pay for what they have and have not planned for a rainy day, they must pay the piper. If you disagree-good luck. I want to leave my children something because the way this is going you 30 something folks will be in the hole for the rest of your days. Wise up and vote these irrational people out next election. Joe the plumber was correct--this is income distribution and I plan to fight every inch
2010 Pay Raise
DoA
Fri Feb 27, 2009 4:47 PM
Sure, no problem on the 2% pay raise in 2010 buy will our health insurance premiums still increase????
2010 Federal Employees Pay Raise
Treasury Dept.
Fri Feb 27, 2009 6:06 PM
It would be good if President Obama give larger pay raises to the lower grade federal employees. They need the larger raise more so than the higher grades. Maybe give the higher grades a 2 percent and the lower grades a 3 percent. Everyone need to not only be concerned about themselves. This economy is bad and the government has the right to do whatever is necessary to bring it back on track. Unfortunately, everyone feel the effect of the economy in one way or another.
Re: 2010 Federal Employees Pay Raise
USDA
Fri Feb 27, 2009 6:23 PM
How about this as our recruiting motto: "From each federal employees according to his abilities, to each federal employee according to his needs." No doubt, there are a number of folks employed by Uncle Sam who think that is a great idea.
Re: 2010 Federal Employees Pay Raise
DHS
Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:44 PM
This "each according to his needs" garbage has got to stop. The Civil Service system is not welfare.
Re: 2010 Federal Employees Pay Raise
USDA
Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:12 PM
Pay Raise
USDA
Fri Feb 27, 2009 7:08 PM
For the 34+ years I have been in Federal service I have always been thankful for any yearly salary increase we have been received. Ask an employee of the local lumber mill, convienience store, KMart/Walmart or other local business when the last time was they got a raise and then shut up about what you're getting !
Re: Pay Raise
USDA
Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:51 PM
Man, the more I read these boards, the more I am convinced most federal employees believe they provide little to no value to the agency or taxpayer. It's fascinating. All the years of federal employee bashing have really done a number on the workforce. Some thematic comments so far:
-just thankful I have a job
-lower graded employees should be given a higher increase because they need it more
-it could be worse
-we are lucky to get anything
-compared to my neighbor, I am doing alright
Keep it up and next year, we will be facing a straight up pay cut. If this is really how you feel as an employee, you need to really evaluate where you are in life. And another thing, if you spend thirty years in government and retire as a GS-6, that's your fault.
Re: Pay Raise
SSA
Sat Feb 28, 2009 1:37 PM
So being grateful is a bad thing? That should improve the taxpayer's feelings towards federal workers.
No to mention their gratefulness.
Deflation concerns
http://www.Spryka.com
Sat Feb 28, 2009 3:17 AM
With the current scenario where pay is being freezed and there is a real threat of deflation, I believe that the current pay raise may be adequate. It is good to see federal employees going along with this.
Re: Deflation concerns
DHS
Mon Mar 2, 2009 11:34 AM
The Annoited One
DOD
Sat Feb 28, 2009 6:19 AM
For those of you who voted "The Annoited One" into office - You have done this country a great disservice - Can this country or Wall Street really stand 47 more months of "change"?
Re: The Annoited One
Small Agency
Mon Mar 2, 2009 10:28 AM
Do you think we could stand 4 more years of what we've had for the last 8?
Presidential Sacrifice
DOD
Sat Feb 28, 2009 7:33 AM
Obama should practice what he preaches. Turn down the heat in the White House while average Americans are freezing. Don't fire up AF One for a trip to Williamsburg (which is 1.5 hours from DC by car) when average Americans can't buy gas for the family car. And only accept a dollar in salary since he insists CEOs take less and Federal employees take less, and our great military take less.
Fair is fair; where is his sacrifice?
Political Chips or Pawns
FSA
Sat Feb 28, 2009 7:48 AM
The reality of it is that regardless who sits in the White House, Federal employees are merely political pawns or chips to be bargained with. Our pay adjustments from year to year have no impact whatsoever on folks who do not have work or who are down and out. But Obama's painting us as greedy unless we go along with his idea of fairness really is arrogant on a lot of levels. Yes, I am thankful I have a secure job. But I work hard and care about what I do. To ask me if I would be willing to take home less now and in the future to help the greater good is somewhat insulting especially since I know the less I take home won't go to anyone in need.
Start Counting The Days...
VA
Sat Feb 28, 2009 9:48 AM
Folks, some of us did this to ourselves by drinking "his" Koolaide. I like the comments here; especially those who have the bigger picture perspective. Of course most of us are appreciative of what we have by our own hard work & dedication to maintain a strong country. And there are tides affecting any economy. Duh. But the greed and political stupidity and now socialist crap being forced down our throats by some one who narcistically thinks he is king & can save the world does not have America's best interests in mind. By my calculations, we only have a little more then 1400+ days remaining of this mess; lets hope we have enough folks standing to clean up afterwards. Maybe I can stimulate the economy by starting to sell shovels 'cause we sure are going to have a lot of shoveling to do after he gets booted out. Please slam and lock the door behind "him" and throw away the key. Thank-you.
At least pretend you are grateful.....
SSA
Sat Feb 28, 2009 1:07 PM
...so you don't screw this up for the rest of us!
Considering how blessed we all are with our federal jobs, pay and benefits, I found it rather crass and offensive that we even got a raise at all this year.
Considering that the cost of living will not likely go up this year (or last year), and may have even gone down, why are we even getting one at all?
Considering the state of the economy and the possibility of economic catastrophy that hangs over us, and that so many taxpayers are losing their jobs or becoming underemployed, the idea that we should get any raise at all is just so utterly ludicrous.
And pay parity with the military is so fundamentally flawed that it takes substantial ignorance of both pay systems to even bring it up.
retire
INDIAN HEALTH SERVICE
Sat Feb 28, 2009 1:27 PM
must be time to retire
Who should pick up 2% COLA
Retired
Sat Feb 28, 2009 1:48 PM
To those who commented that higher grades should foot more of the bill--that is exactly what BO wants society to do. I say--it's the same across the board as it is now--why do you think that at a grade GS-5 you should get more of a COLA than a GS-12? Do you understand what a COLA is? It sounds like you need to step back and rethink your thoughts--those who worked hard to succeed should not be penalized. If you do not like your GS-5, 6, 7 pay --go to the private sector or better yourself and apply for promotions. Stop this nonsense that those with more $$$ need to foot the bill for all of you who do not have $$$--next election will turn this welfare state mentality--be ashamed.
Federal Pay Raise
Dept of Energy
Sat Feb 28, 2009 4:34 PM
With the current situation, it's only fair that federal employees get a smaller pay raise, after all their jobs are more secure than those in the private sector. The military deserves a larger pay raise because of the sacrifices they are making - multiple deployments, time away from loved one, and risking their lives. In many agencies federal employees are still getting performance awards.
Outrageous
US Public Citizen
Sat Feb 28, 2009 6:29 PM
I find it appalling that there is such an entitlement attitude by federal employees. I find it hard to believe the statistics that feds are so underpaid. You all should feel very fortunate that you have a well paying and secure position. To expect, no demand, that the rest of us give you a generous pay raise, when millions are out of work and suffering the pain that you are immune to, is embarassing. If you fell so put upon to have this job and its most generous benefits, then go join the ranks of the unemployed. Get Real feds!!!
I didn't read it all
DOD
Sun Mar 1, 2009 11:40 AM
Oh, so many comments to this article that I didn't read them all. Sound familiar? I've worked nearly 28 years in Federal service. I don't think that I should be paying for non-workers. I have a mortgage, I have car payments, I have credit card bills but I have a job to pay them. I don't want to pay yours!
2010 raise
irs
Sun Mar 1, 2009 11:56 AM
with the Northeast costs so high $20.00 co-pays, 5-10 minutes with a Dr., & meds by mail trippled --that kind of raise is not suffient. gas isstill high, like the Pacific coast.
2% raises in 2010
U. S. Postal Service
Sun Mar 1, 2009 3:56 PM
Yes, indeed, I would be glad to take a smaller raise in 2010 (and in every subsequent year) if this would help to save my agency, my job, and our nation.
Putuporshutup
VA
Sun Mar 1, 2009 5:25 PM
All you knuckleheads that think it's "noble" of you to only accept 2% willing to take a 10% cut for the team?
Why not?
And if that's good for the country, why not 20%?
Re: Putuporshutup
VA
Mon Mar 2, 2009 7:55 AM
If you really want to stimulate the economy, do the following:
1) Make credit card interest tax deductible for all FAMILIES (married, filing jointly, with lawful child dependents).
2) Require the banks accepting stimulus money (TARP 1, TARP 2, or anything after) to make available no less than 75% of the money accepted AND prohibit the use of that money from being used in mergers or aquisitions.
3) Regulate the credit card companies (regulate-regulate-regulate). The credit card companies, which are inextricably linked to the banks receiving bailout money, are cutting credit and increasing rates on everyone.
Huh? last year $10,000 less is what most got
USPS
Sun Mar 1, 2009 5:35 PM
Yea, and it going to be less this year too.
2% Pay Raise
USAF
Mon Mar 2, 2009 5:22 AM
The way the economy and the country are going, I don't see where this is out of line to be thankful that I have a job with some security to it.
SES Bonuses
USDA
Mon Mar 2, 2009 5:56 AM
Regular Gov't employees should not have to go with a lower cost of living raise. Senior Executive Service (SES)employees, those already making more than $155,000 should give up their 5 and 6 figure year end bonuses, (amounting to millions of dollars). A good majority of SES employees make more in year end bonuses than most government employees make a year. Maybe a good article would be to publish the bonuses paid to SES for 2008...
I understand where America is at this time, but the cuts should start at the top, SES employees will be more than glad to take a 2% pay raise because they know they will more than make up for it in their bonuses, plus a lot more.
Bringing Pay Into Line
DOD
Mon Mar 2, 2009 6:41 AM
I have been reading for years where DOD salaries are up to 20% behind other National slaries in comparable jobs. What happened to that? How can we be brought in line with a 2% pay raise if we are 20% behind?
President Asks Federal Employees to Sacrifice in 2
HUD
Mon Mar 2, 2009 8:22 AM
I have no problem with this EXCEPT when the prez continues to spend money as if it were monopoly money. He is the one who needs to apply some fiscal restraints/maturity/reality. It will be a long 4 years!!! But at least he is only a one-termer!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2010 and beyond
DVA
Mon Mar 2, 2009 8:27 AM
This is about riding out the turmoil. I am a citizen before being a Federal Employee. If the President doesn't appreciate the work I do, close the job down and let me go. But try not to insult me by creating a class of citizen that doesn't exist, yet. I need my pay to feed my family just like everyone else, and I thought we as employees were behind the local sector in pay already. It's easy to say stuff like suck it up, or take the hit, but those people are making 200G a year already. Let's see Congress, the Supremes and then the Executive branch take hits at the same time. This is about to become the rollercoaster ride from H@#$.
2% INCREASE IN 2010???
ERIE, PA
Mon Mar 2, 2009 8:38 AM
if the average is proposed to be 2% in 2010, that simply means that federal employees in washington, dc can expect that 2%. we, who fall under "rest of us", generally get 1.9-2% less than they. where does that leave us in the next years increase???? if president obama is so into "stimulating the economic environment", he needs to give people who currently have jobs, but still live paycheck to paycheck to make their meager ends meet, increases which will allow us to purchase large ticket items to actually "stimulate the economy". whether that be new windows for our homes, newer vehicles, or newer, more efficient furnaces to heat our small, modest homes. president obama wants to continue to take from us "barely middle class" workers to shell out thousands upon thousands of dollars to illegal immigrants to fund their families insurance and education, but somewhere along the line, he's missed the boat. give to those who are actually contributing citizens of the united states.
Just trying to stay afloat
DOD MIL TECH
Mon Mar 2, 2009 8:41 AM
Upon seeing this articile, I quickly jotted down some numbers. I just wanted to see where exactly my 3.5% was going, because I sure as heck didn't start treating myself to steak dinners all of a sudden! After figuring it all up it breaks down something like this:
3.5% COLA: + $1375
HEALTH INSURANCE: -$520 (Increase)
Co-Pay for Medical: - $120 (Increased $5, 2 visits/mo)
Taxes: - $440 (Increase)
Left Over $295 (more than absorbed by inflation).
With a 2% pay raise, I would have stood to lose close to $150/year. So with that said, I feel that the 3.5% is about as fair as it gets! If you go any lower, you're taking away from my family just to give it to CEO's & politicians! The house voted to hold off on a pay increase!? I invite anyone to wikipedia the average house rep's salary ($165K/year). How about the representatives take a pay cut? Give those guys my paycheck. After all, it's "better than the private sector's average check!"
Re: Just trying to stay afloat
DOL
Mon Mar 2, 2009 7:30 PM
Re: Just trying to stay afloat
DOD MIL TECH
Tue May 5, 2009 7:05 AM
You might want to spend a little time researching yourself. Try OPM.gov, then go down to GS Pay Scales. I DO infact get a form of COLA. I'll worry about my pay, you worry about your research.
Pay Raise
DOJ
Mon Mar 2, 2009 8:42 AM
This would be fine if they could get a handle on the health insurance so that it doesn't always eat up the pay raises that we do get.
And the spending is still going on
USDA/RD
Mon Mar 2, 2009 9:48 AM
This is from today's news, I cut and pasted:
The White House is the place to be on Wednesdays.Since the presidency changed hands less than six weeks ago, a burst of entertaining has taken hold of the iconic. The East Room was transformed into a concert hall as President Barack Obama presented Stevie Wonder with the nation's highest award for pop music on Wednesday. A week before that, sounds of Sweet Honey in the Rock, a female a cappella group, filled the East Room for a Black History Month program that first lady Michelle Obama held for nearly 200 sixth- and seventh-graders from around Washington. The got cookies. Cocktails were sipped during at least three such receptions to date, all held on Wednesdays.A Super Bowl party for select Democratic and Republican lawmakers and a dinner for governors....The gathering over hot dogs and hamburgers was one of several get-to-know-the-members-of Congress .
Keep on Spending Mr and Mrs Prez....We'll carry you on our backs.
Re: And the spending is still going on
DCMA
Mon Mar 2, 2009 10:58 AM
Re: And the spending is still going on
USDA/RD
Mon Mar 2, 2009 12:57 PM
If you qualify you can get a house loan. Go to the nearest USDA/Rural Development office or look in your phone book. You may qualify for a RD Guarantee Loan.
President Asks Federal Employees to Sacrifice in 2
VHA
Mon Mar 2, 2009 9:59 AM
I'm OK with this, as long as EVERYBODY gets this 2% pay raise. As low as it is, there isn't much room at the bottom for those who don't qualify for the full 2%, under the former system.
Federal Employees Pay Sacrifice in 2010
Dept of Treasury
Mon Mar 2, 2009 10:04 AM
If the federal government can afford to give BILLIONS IN BAILOUT $ TO THE FAT CORPORATE CATS, then they can most certainly afford to pay federal employees their due annual incomes. Federal employees are the same as all other American citizens and the Fed Gov needs to treat us fairly. Why should Fed employees sacrifice more of their income than every other American citizen?
Other Sacrifices
Dept of the Air Force
Mon Mar 2, 2009 10:08 AM
Perhaps more agencies should consider using webinars/webcasts for training and save dollars spent on TDYs. If individuals can get educated on line, why can't federal employees.
2% RAISE
MEDCOM
Mon Mar 2, 2009 10:41 AM
After reading most of the comments I am proud and ashamed. For those who feel that any raise is good because you feel lucky to have a job to pay your bills, maybe eat out less, etc., thank you for your humanity. For those who do not realize that this President inherited these problems and is trying to fix it, shame on you. We have thousands of Americans losing their jobs who would love to have job security and support their families. I cannot believe the selfishness I am reading.
We work for the taxpayers
Small Agency
Mon Mar 2, 2009 10:45 AM
It seems that a lot of people have forgotten who we work for - taxpayers. If tax revenues go down, there's less money to fund not just the program's we're all so fond of but also our salaries. As a federal employee, if you don't think you're better off than the vast majority of Americans - get a job in the private sector.
Unions should also buck up and stop defending deadbeat employees. I would much rather fund 'rodent research' which will provide important and useful information for medical innovations than some of the deadbeat government employees I've had to work with. Culling the deadbeat workers would free up a lot of funding.
I may not like not getting a pay increase but at least I've got a good job and don't have to gag over a McCain/Palin solution.
Re: We work for the taxpayers
DOD
Mon Mar 2, 2009 11:53 AM
Re: We work for the taxpayers
USDA
Mon Mar 2, 2009 11:54 AM
Some of our elected officials think we can ignore economics. If a person did not pay off a credit card, or can't afford a house, they won't pay the mortgage. We pretended that was not the case. As in the 1920's, we used bad paper (mortgages this time instead of stock) to finance a boom period. I realize some can't help themselves. This comes from the Dems and Obama is going to make it worse using the same flawed ideological basis--we will spend trillions and pretend it will bring prosperity--ignoring common sense. Our country is about to go down hard with the Chinese owning most of our assets.
2% pay raise for 2010
Dept. of Justice
Mon Mar 2, 2009 10:58 AM
Why should the fix for a bad economy fall on the Federal Employees? This will not motivate the Federal employee very well. I know for a fact it will generate bad attitudes to many of our employees and the Federal employee will become less productive because of it. The Govt. will lose more than it gains if they cheat their employees.
Parity with Military
USDA
Mon Mar 2, 2009 11:17 AM
OK, if Civilians deserve parity with the military, then they deserve parity with the civilians. Lets pay the soldiers overtime.... I put in 60 hours a week for the year I was in SWA. Or we could make all civilians Salaried and set rules so we can work them 24x7 whenever management wants them to, and no shift differentials etc.
As far as getting 2%, I am happy with a pay raise. I am unhappy when the pay raise is called a sacrifice. My wife left civil service four months ago to take a contract job paying double what she made as a civil servant. I think we sacrifice by working for the government instead of the private sector.
I read an earlier post about GS avg being $117k vs $55k in private sector. I expect that $55k averages in all the fast food and other minimum wage jobs. GS4's dont make a lot, but it is the start of a career. I would not consider my son's job at McDonalds a career. how about comparing similar jobs, like medical, legal, or IT?
I Support the President!
One of Many
Mon Mar 2, 2009 11:19 AM
In a perfect world, we feds would receive a more equitable raise next year. But we have problems as a country and an economy, & President Obama inherited a mess - maybe more than even he realized before taking office. We have to think beyond our $$ goals as a special interest group & look at the larger picture of what's good for the country as a whole. It may not be fair, but then as Govt employees, we're a little more protected from the worst of the economic downturn than most of our fellow Americans - and we all need to step up to the plate for the greater good of the country.
Re: I Support the President!
USED
Tue Mar 3, 2009 11:53 AM
How about President & Congress setting an example
HUD
Mon Mar 2, 2009 11:53 AM
I might be okay with this if the President and Congress agreed to a 10% cut on their salaries and talked about lowering their pension plan.
Federal Pay Raise
Bureau of Reclamation
Mon Mar 2, 2009 11:56 AM
I had a similar idea, but it didn't go over well with the people I talked to. I feel it would be much more fair, however, to give a lower (or no) pay raise to those employees who are grade 11 and above, with a larger raise to the lower graded personnel. The higher grades already make good money and get promotions a lot faster to get themselves into the higher grades. I think it would say a lot to the American people if public employees would make the gesture during these austere times.
Re: Federal Pay Raise
DHS
Mon Mar 2, 2009 12:08 PM
Start pulling stuff like that and you will see a mass exodus of extremely qualified individuals from government service. Believe it or not, companies are still hiring white collar professionals (except for the fianncial industry). Most GS-12's and higher don't work in the construction trades, pump gas, serve food, sell or finance real estate, or assemble cars.
2% PAY RAISE IN 2010
HUD
Mon Mar 2, 2009 12:18 PM
I think I can live w/the pay raise. I just hope that one day before I retire (5-7 years max) that Congress and the President (whomever that may be) will repeal the WEP/GPO. That is my biggest gripe, because I have paid into Social Security and then I have 20 years in CSRS and now I'm in FERS and I'm paying into Social Security once again. Why shouldn't I receive my full Social Security benefitsw and instead receive only a portion of my earnings when I have contributed all along (including the Medicare premium)? Just blowing some steam. Also, I realize that no matter who's in office (your candidate or the other candidate), that has nothing to do with an increase in salary. Also, what about pay parity? I realize that the troops are out there, but I'm a single person and I need all the help I can get. I'm not one of those feds who is a GS-12 or 13 making the BIG bucks! I'm just a lowly GS-7/10 (eff. 4/26) and this is my last year getting 2 raises. After this, it's all downhill.
A small sacrifice we should make willingly
DHS
Mon Mar 2, 2009 12:39 PM
As a proud public servant, I do not mind this tiny reduction in my pay increase. In fact, I would even be willing to go without a pay increase at all in 2010. This is hardly a sacrifice, given what's going on in our country. We owe it to the public to demonstrate that the government is also doing its part to tighten up during this crisis. Any president in Obama's situation would have to do the same, and the unions are also forced to support this measure to avoid the PR fallout they would inevitably face (hardly "rolling over to Obama" as some have said). Let's support this - it is the right thing to do.
I want to be paid for performance
DON
Mon Mar 2, 2009 1:53 PM
I want to be paid for my performance, not paid based on how the economy is preforming.
Re: I want to be paid for performance
DHS
Thu Mar 5, 2009 11:22 AM
PAY RAISE
BUMED
Mon Mar 2, 2009 1:58 PM
I find it interesting our representative vote themselve a raise, just as they voted their own retirement. Tie them into the retirement and benefits the the Federa Employees have and watch them make things work. People complain about school teachers working less than nine months. Our representatives galavant all over the country and are paid if they are there to vote or not.
Sick of the Lies
USAF
Mon Mar 2, 2009 3:45 PM
The pay raise of 2% doesn't bother me.
What bothers me is that this president is a fraud. He said "I'm not for bigger government"--and then increases the size to the largest in history.
Criticizes the spending under G.W. Bush (which I too criticize) and then turns arounds and spends the most money in U.S. history on paybacks to his cult liberal followers and disguises it as a "stimulus" package.
He's a liar and a fraud--and most of the intellectully bankrupt Americans follow him. I absolutely have no repect for this president or his congress.
Welcome to the Socialist Republic of America run by Czar Obama!
President Asks Federal Employees to Sacrifice in 2
US Courts
Mon Mar 2, 2009 4:28 PM
Actually, I was hoping that the presidential candidate I supported would cut the federal budget much more drastically, but as a federal employee who voted for the President, let me just note that I will send him a personal note to say I am quite willling to get a smaller raise in 2010, or none at all. How can you look at the people around you losing jobs, losing contracts, losing hoomes... and not want to help? I am just as adamantly opposed to giving billions of taxpayer dollars to failed banks (ie successsful crminals).
To be ethical is not always in one's self interest.
I WORK TO EARN MONEY TO LIVE
FRUSTRATED AMERICAN
Mon Mar 2, 2009 5:32 PM
love the changes. now i should just be thankful that i got a job! what country is this? uncle sam already has his hands in pocket. enough already. why doesn't congress give back their pay raises? y is mr. o having parties in the white house honoring stevie wonder and having earth, wind and fire perform at the white house. aren't we in a recession.. if i scarified anymore i willbe on the welfare line. hey, if u dont want the increase i take it. oh we r nowconsideredthe new rich. give me a break
Civil Servants to Sacrifice
USAF
Mon Mar 2, 2009 7:49 PM
I am thankful I have a job, and I would be willing to sacrifice if I saw sacrifice across the board. But what I see is the government giving my money away to any (and every) darn fool who lived beyond his means and got in trouble, from corporate execs to people with big houses. No, I work hard for my money and I am sick of the idea that someone else is more "entitled" to it than I am.
Federal 2010 Pay Raise
USAF
Mon Mar 2, 2009 8:32 PM
I am ready to do my part when it comes to a 2% oay raise. But how about the NSPS Government Employees? Just in case Presdient Obama has forgotten. Federal Employees now have two pay systems. Since the NSPS is management, I am assuming they will be limited to the 2% pay raise too.
Count me as ungrateful
DVA
Mon Mar 2, 2009 9:08 PM
Count me as ungrateful. I want to be paid on my performance. Putting that aside, I took a $70,000 hit on my TSP. Therefore, using the logic proposed by many federal bretheren, I should get a much larger raise because I have been adversely impacted.
No, instead, I will pay for my neighbors HELOC @ 13.99 percent to buy a two new cars and a boat. He knew damn well the HELOC was unsustainable but did it anyway. He then financed his small business with consumer credit cards. To make matters even more unreal, the home he purchased was an ARM w/ no principle payments. But hey, he put in a pool.
I feel for my neighbor (true story). However, he should not be able to "restructure" his loan on my dime. I am out $70,000 while he still drives his new cars, takes his boat out, and vacations twice a year.
So, no- I am not grateful. This is absurd. To all those who want to take one for the team, write a check to your neighbor or the freakin IRS. Count me out.
Obama is nuts.
2% pay increase for 2010
U.S. Army
Tue Mar 3, 2009 7:41 AM
I don't mind doing my fair share, but, it's going to tick me off if I then see millions of dollars spent for "pork-barrel" projects. Let's get that kind of spending OUT of government spending period.
Civilain 2010 Pay Raise Reduction to 2%
NGB/ANG
Tue Mar 3, 2009 8:56 AM
The Military gets a tax free income and a taxpayer paid Housing allowance, whch Federal Civilians do not. I recommend Federal Civilians take the reduction to 2% and those Military Members not in combat status also take the reduction to 2%. Those uniformed members is staff positions especially sitting alongside Federal Civilians should not get a 2010 3.9% rasie. This would help the budget, just think how much will be saved in MAJCOM staffs and at the Pentagon.
BAIL OUT
VHA
Tue Mar 3, 2009 10:54 AM
All the billions of dollars given to the banks, auto industries, etc. The money should have been given to the citizens of the United States in equal fashion. They would have paid off their mortgages, loans and whatever. The banks would have received their money in the long haul anyways rather than what still is happening - handing it out to these unforgiving, non accountable industries.
2.0%
DFAS
Tue Mar 3, 2009 12:45 PM
Your Kidding, I am loosing my house because of BRAC.
Now I am suppose to go on welfair? The IRS wants my money, A mortgage Co. wants my money. Are you kidding? Mortage CO, for a house, I am going to loose. A 100,000.00 Equity Gone. Now a man making all most.
5 times what I make. Yea , I guess I can understand, He does not have a clue!!!!!!!!!!
Raise
Govt
Tue Mar 3, 2009 5:57 PM
So every year when President Bush put out his budget the unions cried like the babies they are about the fed raise being too small. Now Obama is President and offers 2.0 out of the gate and the unions barely make a noise. Enough said about the credibility of unions!!!
Get used to it folks. You moderates out there were played like fools during the campaign. Obama has no intentions to govern from the middle. He got your vote and now he plans to take this country down the road to socialism. Buckle up and hold on. Entitlements are on the way. Oh yeah, didn't Obama say during his speech the other night that he wasn't for big government? Hmmmm...WHAT A LIAR!!! How many tax cheats does he have on his cabinet now? Is this the "change we can count on?" Suckers!!!! You get what you ask (vote) for.
Re: Raise
DVA
Tue Mar 3, 2009 6:31 PM
Not a PAY RAISE you IDIOT
cant say
Tue Mar 3, 2009 7:33 PM
THe largest Agency budgets, largest buget overall and a stimuli give away that will make cotton farmers rich enough that BO will take it away. We, government workers have to sacrifice?
BO better ask Congress who voted them in. I am sure most aren't ready to take less than a minimum Cost of Living adjustment (not a raise as you stated, which we haven't seen in 2 years.)
Civilian Pay raise
DOD Whiteman AFB Mo.
Wed Mar 4, 2009 6:38 AM
If we only get a 2% pay raise we will end up loseing money because our health insurance goes up more than what we'll bring home Is congress also not going to get a full raise ? I have to work 30 years to get my retirerment, and they only work 4 they make more in those 4 years than I do in 30 !
What just tax Fed employees?
IRS
Wed Mar 4, 2009 8:49 AM
I'm not an economist or a personnel specialist. I do not know what is the "right" amount of raise federal employees should get. I do not know what the stimulus impact is of raising or lowering taxes.
That said, if Obama says Federal employees should be willing to sacrafice (e.g. get a smaller raise than would be "fair"), isn't he effectively raising the income tax on fedearal employees to lower it on others. If he does not give the Federal employee that "extra" percentage raise he otherwise would have if he was not "asking Federal employees to sacrafice," he has effectively added a life-time tax to being a Federal employee and retiree since all future salaries have been adversely impacted. If giving a $400 a person tax cut to all workers and a $250 tax cut to all retirees is good for the economy, why is raising the implied taxes of millions of Federal workers by hundreds of dollars each annually a good idea?
Obama Pay Raise proposal for 2010
DOJ
Wed Mar 4, 2009 9:36 AM
I think that some of us federal employees have already had to sacrifice - we sacrificed for years and finally our pay has begun to be commensurate with that of the private sector (only because of the horrible economy). As a tax payer, I was ineligible for any "stimulus" money under President's Bush plan because I sacrificed to allow the Democrats to pay people who never had to pay taxes a little bonus. Expenses for health care, utilities, gas, food, etc. has continued to increase and our pay really hasn't kept up with it all. A 2% increase won't even cover the amount that our health insurance premiums will likely go up in 2010.
2010 Pay Raise or Lack Of
Dept of the Air Force
Wed Mar 4, 2009 9:44 AM
I have read many comments here and it seems pretty evenly split. For those that are all for not getting a pay raise, I would imagine you are probably making a whole lot more money than the rest of us. Every year my medical premiums go up and my raise is just enough to pay for that increase.
I do not feel "pride" when The President announce that his staff will have to make due with what they are currently making...6 figures with Cost of Living in the DC area.
It is easy when you are at the top to say "hey look at me, Im not taking my pay raise this year". 2 - 3 percent doesnt truly affect your bottom line. However, when you are at the middle to the bottom, 2-3 percent makes a huge difference in making ends meet.
Yes, I am thankful I have a job, so please stop throwing that line around in this posting. There are jobs out there for people, just not exactly what you want or had, but there are jobs. Maybe those that need a job need to suck it up and take what they can get.
2% PAY RAISE
VETERANS AFFAIRS
Wed Mar 4, 2009 10:03 AM
i have already sacrificed 9 years 8 months and 2 weeks with the us army, and now the president want me to sacrifice again.....
Pay raise in 2010
CDC
Wed Mar 4, 2009 10:40 AM
In a time when people are losing jobs and taking pay cuts, it is not much to ask that we take a smaller pay increase. After all, we are public servants, and if the taxpayer is hurting, it doesn't serve the needs of the country at large for us to feel entitled to a 4% raise. I am very grateful to have such a stable source of income and incredible job security in these times.
Pay Raise and Reasons
VA
Wed Mar 4, 2009 12:15 PM
I'm of the mind of worker bee and hr spec- do you realize the $ spent & given to congress/senate in perks? A 1% raise should apply to them & GS-11 and up. The avg fed (that actually does the work) realisticly makes 35k to 60k. The cong/senat. should have their raises voted on by the people once their taxes & job perfm are evaled. All rich boy perks-gone. Carpool in those capitol hill limos, stop leavin em running all day. Give em 9 planes to fly, instead of renting private one per congressman(2 for each time zone, 1 for emerg., have flight times like everyone else). Trips under 2 hrs, they should drive not fly. Take the biggest offenders of the bank bail out & nationalize them, w/strict rules & 500k salary cap. Those w/good busin. practices leave alone & free. Set unbreakable, clear standards, w quotas for lending out. They get no $ for aquisitions & mergers. Break the rules, get absorbed/natinlzd. The $ for rat research, gone, to be diverted into health care. It's a start.
Pay Raise
VAMC
Wed Mar 4, 2009 7:58 PM
The federal budget is not being reduced. Obama is increasing the deficit to 1.5 trillion, 3 times what the last Bush deficit was. Why do federal empoyees need to sacrifice with a budget like that. Where is all that money going? I know the answer. Federal unions would be all over Bush if he tried to get away with that.
Pay Raise of 2%
US Forest Service
Wed Mar 4, 2009 10:59 PM
I would be more positive about a 2% raise in 2010, if I were sure that health insurance was also going to be restricted. However, if my insurance costs are going up 50%, or more, as they did for prescriptions in 2009, I can't be very supportive.
Pay raise
DFAS
Thu Mar 5, 2009 9:55 AM
What pay raise? It was eaten up with the increase in health benefit costs. When is Gov't going to reign that in?
Conditional Support
USA
Thu Mar 5, 2009 10:41 AM
I don't mind getting a 2% raise if it would help get our nation gets back on track. I think it would be better though for Congress to freeze their pay and benefit increases entirely until they help fix the mess they got us into.
proposed civilian pay rate 2010
dfas
Thu Mar 5, 2009 1:11 PM
i can't understand this - we are giving billions and billions of dollars to banks time and time again, and yet, we are only going to be given a 2% increase next year? if that's all it will be, it would be a great help if president obama capped the health care rates, so we don't end up making less than what we were making this year. also, how are we supposed to help "stimulate" the economy if we are given the funding to do so. time to look to the people who actually got him into office, and delete a lot of his "earmarks" in his stimulus plan and give it to us, believe me, with everything that we are behind on and need, we would be spending the money! time to help the little people like he said he was going to.
Are you kidding me
DoD
Thu Mar 5, 2009 1:35 PM
I read the article and some of the comments but i have to questoin a few things.... 1st yes we should be happy that we have a job and go to work everyday but I wonder about the BRAC movement and what that has caused? 2ndly how can you take away a raise if we are already working at a decrease in grade and a 70% decrease in numbers, havent we already saved money? Along with that one of the things that keeps popping up at me is the article states our salary would be more in-line with the private sector....hahaha even with the economy being as bad as it is the starting pay for my measely GS-6 is considerably less here then what it would be in the "private" sector. PEOPLE wake up--even the governments employees can loose our jobs.
Slash the Pig Odor Project Instead!
Department of Justice
Thu Mar 5, 2009 2:00 PM
The several million dollar Pig Odor study included in the budget, at the very least, will need to be "sacrificed" before I will willingly give up my annual cost of living!
Pay Raises for Federal Employees
Department of the Army
Thu Mar 5, 2009 9:51 PM
The President's intent to lower the Fed's annual cola (not a pay raise, not) could not have come at a worst time. Don't know about you, brother (or sister) fed employee, but I have been carrying senile (yep, not senior, but senile) and lazy butt employees for a number of years without the benefit of any additional pay or rewards/awards. So, here the President comes, stating he wants fed employees to take a lower cola. Between senile, non-productive employees and contractors who have never served a day in the military, (don't have a clue about the working environment) and are still wet behind the years, I (and a small percentage of others) are pulling double if not triple the load. This cozy relationship between the administration and the union only spells more welfare opportunities in the federal government. ITS TIME TO SAY: NO THANK YOU!!ENOUGH IS ENOUGH
Comments in General
Department of the Army
Thu Mar 5, 2009 10:00 PM
As I read the comments beginning in Feb 09, its quite obvious that the majority agree that once gain the deadbeat democrats and others who voted to Obama are standing in line for freebies. Guess I will think twice about buying scout cookies, school promotional items (fund raisers), magazines, giving to sports teams standing on the corners soliciting donations for trips. No, Sir, can't afford to do it because Obama's team is taking my extra dollars.
Re: Comments in General
DVA/VHA
Fri Mar 6, 2009 1:15 PM
I will continue to donate used items such as toys, clothes, and electronics.
PAY RAISE
DCAS
Wed Mar 11, 2009 8:20 AM
Get real folks. You have a steady paycheck coming in and its time we do our part to help those that are in a bad situation. Fair is fair. Ok, give you job to the ones that don't have a job.
Better than I thought
USDA
Wed Mar 11, 2009 8:26 AM
Well that's 2% more than I thought we were going to get. I'm thankful to have a job that pays the bills right now, and I'm thankful I'm not out in the private sector, where things are certainly a lot worse.
2% pay raise
usace
Wed Mar 11, 2009 8:29 AM
There are a lot of people losing there jobs and have no money coming in. Be thankful you have a job.
Small 2010 pay raise
Dept. of Justice
Wed Mar 11, 2009 8:39 AM
Does congress really believe giving a small pay raise to the Fed. employee will save money. It never works. This would creates bad atitudes, low morale, and staff will be less motivated and less productive. Trust me, I have been around a long time and have seen this.
Opinion Nation
Rural Housing Service
Wed Mar 11, 2009 8:49 AM
The 'American People' put President Obama into office. The 'American People' should stand down and allow President Obama to do his job. I would be happy with a 1% raise if President Obama said it would help the economy. My friends are being bumped down at work and expenses are being cut in order to keep plants open and at least some people working. Those people would be happy to just keep their present salary.
Who doesn't understand the Military getting a higher raise? I have been there and I understand. Those men and women put their lives on the line for us everyday and they should be rewarded for that. We sit in comfortable offices while they are being shot at.
America better wake up before it's too late.
Disgusted in Arkansas
SELFISH, UGLY PEOPLE
DOA
Wed Mar 11, 2009 9:05 AM
Reading many of the responses regarding the 2% pay raise, I am truly amazed at how selfish and ugly and unpatriotic some of you people are. I am ASHAMED to see that part of the so-called "American" spirit and YOU should be ashamed. Many of you sound like typical Bush people...he could care less about anyone else as long as HE was comfortable. I don't make much money as a GS-06, currently about $38,000 annually and I don't mind a 2% pay raise if it will in some small way, help our economy, so what the hell is wrong with you people? Some of you mentioned the salaries that the President and a handful of lawmakers make...so what! These are our leaders and deserve that pay, but when you're talking about 1.8 million civil service employees, that adds up to a lot of money. Why don't you people mouth off about civilian CEO's and their bonuses? How can so many smart people be so stupid and not see the obvious?
Pay increase in 2010
NPS
Wed Mar 11, 2009 9:10 AM
Could we not tie the 2010 federal employee pay increase to the 2009 Consumer Price Index (CPI) ?
2% pay raise
IRS
Wed Mar 11, 2009 9:22 AM
I am curious where the Obama Administration got these numbers since we've been told year after year that we are far behind the private sector in our pay. Hmmmm must be some new calculators out there! Also, most of the time our raises barely cover our health care premium increases so don't go making us look so flush. No one working for the feds is living large except the congress, senate and DC Employees.
Annual Pay Raise
USDA Forest Service
Wed Mar 11, 2009 9:26 AM
I don't make anything near the federal pay that I've seen listed on this website. I believe it was in the neighborhood of 100K, but I would be willing to give my proposed 2% pay raise to someone serving in the military. I never served in the military, but I think we're missing the point on this issue. Someone that is giving up there family life and possibly thier life to defend this country and my freedom deserves much more than a pat on the back and a small raise for thier sacrifice. Let stop crying about our raises and give everything we can to these brave young men and woman. All I have to do every morning is get up and come to my very safe job. Those brave young men and woman get up in the morning and wonder if they'll be alive at the end of the day. That my 2% worth. RJJ
Re: Annual Pay Raise
NCA
Wed Mar 11, 2009 10:44 AM
2010 Federal Pay Raise
DoD
Wed Mar 11, 2009 10:20 AM
Federal employees receive generous pay and benefits while many in our communities are losing jobs and entering foreclosure. I don't see any reason why we can't do our part to assist our country in getting out of this mess we are in.
Re: 2010 Federal Pay Raise
DVA
Wed Mar 11, 2009 1:30 PM
The problem with Obama's statement on this issue is the following- if this cycle reverses and private sector salaries invrease @ a 10% rate, for his logic to stand, public sector employees would require the same increases. Anything else would make him a hypocrite.
BTW, I supported Obama and continue to support him. Although not as blindly as some would suggest. Thus far, his administration appears almost childish in handling the daily and basic operations of government.
The Obama Pay Raise
DHS
Wed Mar 11, 2009 1:03 PM
For all of those who voted for Obama and are now disappointed with his proposed 2.0 pay raise for Federal Civilian Workers, be thankful you are getting any consideration at all. Frankly, considering the state of the economy, I am surprised he has not asked you to forego any raise for 2010. Of course, we get massaged with the "Obama Stimulus Package" which should be a thrill for all you Obamaites. I wonder if that includes a package of oatmeal raisin cookies? And as for the military getting more than the civilian worker, well, so what? Spend a couple of years in a war zone under fire and tell me the armed forces does not deserve what they get.
And for all of you Obama supporters? Well, you got him and you will have him for at least until January 20, 2012. So chill out and get your Obama posters in order!
And no, I am not a disgruntled Bush supporter so get over it.
Fed'l. Civilian Pay Raise 2010
EPA
Wed Mar 11, 2009 1:34 PM
Please stop the whining. We Federal workers are spoiled and are not stressed standing in unemployment lines, at job fairs, giving out dozens of resumes, waiting for interviews, paying bills, feeding our families etc., etc. Very poor form. Very poor PR for Federal employees as the rest of our American citizens are out there in the "cold". 2% pay raise plus health care, vacation, sick pay, TSP matching, and, and, and, . . . Yeah, right. How unfair!
Fed'l. Civilian Pay Raise 2010
EPA
Wed Mar 11, 2009 1:35 PM
Please stop the whining. We Federal workers are spoiled and are not stressed standing in unemployment lines, at job fairs, giving out dozens of resumes, waiting for interviews, paying bills, feeding our families etc., etc. Very poor form. Very poor PR for Federal employees as the rest of our American citizens are out there in the "cold". 2% pay raise plus health care, vacation, sick pay, TSP matching, and, and, and, . . . Yeah, right. How unfair!
Sacrifice
Army
Wed Mar 11, 2009 1:53 PM
I'm already sacrificing enough. I work for the government. I saved so that I could have my dream home at 58 years. I have a high mortgage (no sub-prime here) and now I'll be sacrificing so that others can be bailed out from the hole they find themselves. I conserve daily. If I were healthy, I'd leave the USA. But, alas, I'm not due to on-the-job injuries while working for the government.
Higher Pay Raise Needed
Social Security Administration
Wed Mar 11, 2009 9:50 PM
In case any of you know inflation is going to run rampant next year which means even with a 2% increase Federal Workers will be able to buy less with their money. We are severely underpaid in comparison to the private sector. No government employee that i know owns a home nor has a mortgage. We are getting paid pennies on the dollar. Yet we have student loans and are unable to save any money. We can only contribute 1% to the TSP as we are living pay check to paycheck and that is due to normal living expenses. Rent is about 60% of our income.
If you are happy with a 2% increase that means you have rich parents, live rent free, have no car payment, are not married, receive income from rental of property , have no children , contribute 15% to your TSP and are sitting on a bunch of cash in savings.
I believe Federal Employee Salaries should be comparable to the Private Sector. People with Master's Degrees are being hired for 37,000 per year. This is such a shame.
Re: Higher Pay Raise Needed
Social Security Administration
Fri Mar 13, 2009 5:57 PM
I greatly agree.
2% pay increase in 2010
Transportation
Thu Mar 12, 2009 6:12 AM
A public employees in this economic crisis, a pay raise of 2% is acceptable given that the President could have forgone a pay increase entirely. After all, millions of Americans are now unemployed. I know the banking industry has mispent billions and everyone is paying the cost of that debacle.
SACRIFICE
HHS
Thu Mar 12, 2009 7:08 AM
no problem as long as congress freezes their pay.
Pay Raise
U S Treasury - IRS
Fri Mar 13, 2009 9:00 AM
I have worked for the IRS for over 47 yrs. and have appreciated the benefits and pay I have received over these years. With so many millions of people out of work and not able to pay their bills, etc. I feel a responsibility to do whatever I can to help outside agencies assist these people in times of desparate need. I also feel it is my responsibility to not seek a higher pay raise when the gov't is asking every business, its employees and executives to take cuts, to also accept a lower raise than has been awarded in recent years. It's the least we, who do have jobs, can do to help this economy have a rebirth. When the economy gets back on track we will again be rewarded with a higher raise. Who do we think we are to always think we are better than everyone else?
Re: No
Department of the Navy
Mon Mar 16, 2009 6:50 PM
Federal Government workers have better benefits and job security than the majority of US private sector employees. We also have lower pay because, while Congress created a formula for pay comparability with the private sector, they also failed to fund it. How about the pay raise we are due by index and start thinking about getting pay comparability on track? THEN we can talk about deferring some increases. Sounds fair to me. If we couldn't have the pay raises Congress thought were fair in good times, why should we have to suffer again in bad times. Already been there Mr. President!
NO MONEY
USDA
Tue Mar 17, 2009 7:50 AM
If Congress and the President will give us the same benefits they have it would be great. The Congress writes law to make our benefits less and theirs more. Everyone is talking about government jobs being so great. If you want to see every ethics, and law broken work for the governement. These things only apply to the lower grades or non-Washington D.C. people. How can you just say I am sorry I broke the law "I AM SORRY." We can't do that! There isn't going to be any money after a 4.6 trillon budget. You people better get your facts straight. You are going to be sick of this administration before it is all done. Nobody wants to tell you the Democrats have been in charge of the money for two years. Lets look at who caused all of these problems. Clinton did most of this junk. The party in charge of the money. You will really enjoy you promised 2% , which will never happen.
President Asks Federal Employees to Sacrifice in 2
DOI
Fri Mar 20, 2009 9:24 AM
The Federal Employee's have been Sacrificing for many years with a smaller raise then their civialian counterparts. We have been far behind the 8 ball for many years. The Federal Employees 2% raise will only get them closer to the economy when they do come back, not even to them or higher then them just closer to them. The Federal Employee's having some job security are the ones out there buying and helping with the economy. So if we don't get a raise then they will stop buying knowing that with no raise they will be behind the cost of living once again. It will hurt the economy more then one realizes. Is that the President's goal?
pay raise
indian health service
Fri Mar 20, 2009 10:54 AM
Don't assume all people that work for the federal government have an easy desk job, as a nurse working for indian health service on an isolated indian reservation I have to commute a long distance, the working conditions are less than ideal and there has been an 86% turnover rate in the last two years for RN's I will not work another year without a cost of living adjustment or a pay raise, then what?
Keep It!
USCG
Fri Mar 20, 2009 1:06 PM
Believe me when I say,
No one could use a raise more than me! But if it helps - keep the 2% - or better yet take that 2% and increase the pay for the active duty folks deployed in combat zones. They (and their families) deserve a bonus more than any fat cat belonging to a corporation that’s gotten a bailout!!!!!!!
Just remember us when times are good again!
PAY RAISE
NSWC CRANE
Tue Mar 24, 2009 8:27 AM
Health Insurance is so very high. And, we need it. We need good Health providers also. Instead of a pay raise, maybe you could lower the premiums and lower them enough to do everyone some good. Otherwise, the pay raise is needed, though it seems it is never enough. So much of it just goes to taxes. Everything cost so much these days. My family is always struggling just to get buy. I hate seeing our country struggling so. If things don't change, we won't be the most prosperous, safe and strong nation. We are slowly becoming like the others. It's terrible. Wages and prices are going to have to change. People are getting desperate and losing faith. Thanks
Pres Asks Fed Employees to Sacrifice in 2010
USAF
Tue Mar 24, 2009 8:50 AM
Okay, instead of hitting us at the lower sector, why doesn't the President ask his cabinet members to entirely give up their pay raise or cut it in half as they can well afford to live in this economy, instead of hitting me at the GS-5 level? And tell me, what is the point of giving us "stimulus" money if our pay raise is going to be cut? This is a COST OF LIVING pay raise. The average for us this year was 3.9, however, that included locality pay and was an average, many people including myself, did not see that amount. This means, if the average COL pay raise next year is 2 percent, many of us, including myself, will not see that much. It irks me to know that those high in government who rightfully earn a large salary, cannot make a sacrifice that they will barely feel when those of us at a lower income will feel it and are being asked to make the sacrifice. Everything is not equal and should not be treated as such. People with lower incomes should be given bigger breaks.
Pay Parity
VA
Wed Mar 25, 2009 11:02 AM
I am very disappointed in President Obama and in AFGE President Gage, especially President Gage. AFGE has very strongly supported pay parity in the past. Why the change now?
I am a comitted Democrat, but find it interesting that Gage supports a Democratic President over an issue that he opposed in a Republican.
Pay Raise
Treasury Dept
Fri Apr 3, 2009 5:23 PM
How dare the president gives away trillions of dollars and none are for government employees. Maybe he should work for free to show us why we should not have an adequate raise.
PAY PARITY
NUWC
Mon Apr 6, 2009 8:37 AM
suggest president obama reduces the adminstrative cost of government and not the small amount of wages paid to federal workers.
the union's quid pro relationship with obama is in support of their far left values & not the interest of the workers!
Pay raise
FDA
Tue Apr 7, 2009 6:54 AM
I agree, if Obama can keep printing money give billions to companies, there is no reason why federal employees to suffer. I am not a high grade employee but I am working on my high 3. A 2 percent raise would indeed hurt.
Fed Pay Raises
USPS
Wed Apr 8, 2009 8:42 AM
The rest of the world around us has been paying the human
price for the mismanagement and corruption in DC.
We must either pay our part, or stop it.
President Asks Federal Employees to Sacrifice in 2
MEDCOM
Wed Apr 8, 2009 10:35 AM
No problem, will he forgo the proposed health insurance increase, will he prevent cost of living raising. Alot is factored into Sacrificing, it can't all be one sided. Will those on SS Sacrifice their cost of living, and will their insurance premiums be froze. Will the Congress and the Senate, and down being freezing their salaires as well. It is always about the little people who must Sacrificing - it is time for the leadership to Sacrifice and give to the little people.
Pay Raise
Education
Wed Apr 8, 2009 10:58 AM
I do agree that costs rise but a 2% raise when everyone else is belt tightening is in my opinion fair.
Federal employees get benefits and other leave advantages many in the private sector do not.
If you want to take the private sector risk for more dollars leave public service.
2% in my view is fine for me.
The total pay system needs any overhaul but for the moment enjoy what you have.
pay raise & sacrifice
Forest Service
Wed Apr 8, 2009 12:24 PM
I agree with the president. Federal employees should help out in this time of economic crisis. A 2% pay raise is not at all unreasonable. But, I would even go a step further and suggest 0 pay raise for 2010.
Regardless of the money being thrown around and wasted by the President and Congress, federal employees can contribute to saving money.
2010 Pay raise
FSA
Wed Apr 8, 2009 1:08 PM
I work in a state where State Employees are paid a higher wage then Federal. Also a big area of GM employees earning alot more then Federal employees. Also, the amount the employee contributes to their insurance premuims is a lot LESS for state and GM employees in this area than what a federal employee pays.
Pay Raise
DAF
Thu Apr 9, 2009 6:07 AM
I will sacrifice my 2 shares of NSPS. Just get me out of NSPS and back to GS!
Sacrificing Pay Raise
DOD
Thu Apr 30, 2009 9:39 AM
When I see the President, Pelosi and all of Congress sacrifice some of their pay raise than will be more than happy to sacrifice some of mine. Lets be fair start at the top. Why is it always the little guy or the retirees?
2010 Gov Employee pay reduction
DLA
Thu Apr 30, 2009 9:53 AM
I disagree that government employees should sacrifice pay because private sector businesses and states have laid off employees and the economy is poor. If my government pay does not go up because the economy excells and unemployment is low, then it should not go down when the reverse occurs. In addition, my spouse is laid off; I am already sacrificing.
Pay Parity with Military
USDA
Thu Apr 30, 2009 10:18 AM
I have no issue with a smaller percentage increase this coming year. However, it is a year when great personal sacrifice is being asked of all federal employees as we work through massive change, an impatient public who wants free money immediately, and a Washington bureacracy that is significantly slowing the distribution of that money. We are all working under significantly more pressure, with low staff levels, handling extra responsibilities and hours on the job with no commensurate compensation of any kind. All federal employees, whether they serve in the military or in the general federal workforce are significantly contributing to the recovery and well being of our nation. We should be paid fairly which means on par with one another.
pay raise for the house
irs
Thu Apr 30, 2009 10:25 AM
i can't believe it.........the house voted not to have a pay raise in 2010? the majority of them are probably up for re-election soon.
2%
DAL
Thu Apr 30, 2009 12:58 PM
Maybe Oboma, can ink a deal, where nothing goes up in price? And I mean nothing, around the world for that fact. Let all things settle in and down. Wishful thinking.
2% pay raise in 2010
Hill Air Force Base
Thu Apr 30, 2009 1:45 PM
I will be happy to take only a 2% (or even less) providing that the entire Congress & State Reps. takes 0% or has pay under NSPS taken away from them, because they are overpaid cry babies anyway, arguing between them selfs over petty things, pull all your heads out of your... and act like a team and turn this bad economical situation around...
Pay Raise Parity
USDA
Fri May 1, 2009 9:00 AM
I would be willing to take the 2% or even less if I could be guaranteed our armed forces got a better raise, or matching funds for their TSP. It's time we rewarded our military for the dangerous job they do.
Let's see, defusing IED's vs. database management. Easy choice for me.
Federal Employees Sacrifice
IRS
Fri May 1, 2009 9:18 AM
Too bad they didn't ask AIG to make the sacrifice. There are a lot of Federal Employees who have already max'd out on their sacrifices under Bush.
So soon we forget history
Navy
Tue May 5, 2009 3:20 PM
As a longer term federal employee, I recall the days in the past when friends in private industry were netting 8-12% raises plus bonuses (4 figures were normal) and we were getting a paltry 2-3% plus an incentive of $250.--and the raise getting us no further on the earnings scale as health benefit costs rose higher than the raise %.
As the federal employee slid further and further down the pay disparity slope, few rushed to our aid. No one,outside of the federal sector, wanted to stand by us and add their voice to affirm pay parity. Now that corporate greed , fiscal mismanagement, mortgaging the future policies have taken private industry to the whipping post, all are in favor of the federal employee
joining with them and sharing in their bad times.
It reminds me of all those who condem the USA until they are in need and then expect us to turn the other cheek and help them . They then goback to their old ways.
We deserve pay parity and no political spin can change that.
Re: So soon we forget history
DOD MIL TECH
Tue May 12, 2009 8:09 AM
WAGE FREEZE FOR 2010
DOD
Wed Jun 17, 2009 9:10 AM
i am willing to give up my wage increase in 2010 the president had asked the civil service workers for.............we all have to work togetheras much as we can to help get this economy bak on track
Raise
Dept of Treasury
Thu Jun 18, 2009 12:41 PM
I think we should get a raise. The house gas bill goes up, car gas goes up, food prices go up, electricity go up, and everything. How can we meet if no raise? If things remain the same, I would be willing to give up my wage increase. But in our situation, there is no way to give up my wage increase.
FORGOTTEN SOLDIERS
VA HEALTHCARE SYSTEM
Thu Jun 18, 2009 1:44 PM
What about the retirees. Why are they being left out. I guess they do not count. Think about it. They should be included more so.
pay raise and 250 bucks up in the air
USDA Forest Service (ret.)
Thu Jun 18, 2009 4:30 PM
I could go along with the 2% COLA. I am retired and not eligible for SS. What happened to the $250 all the retirees were supposed to get? All my buddys down at the coffee shop got theirs. Of course they have SS.
Thanks for your reply!
Rich Reeves
Sacrafice 2% 2010 Pay Increase
DOD
Mon Jun 22, 2009 10:58 AM
I don't mine. Whatever I can do to help the economy and I did not have it anyway and I survived without out it. You don't miss what you never had.
I have a great idea
DFAS
Tue Jun 30, 2009 8:59 AM
In lieu of a pay raise, I would like to have one day off - no pay raise, one day off - don't know how much that would save, but I can use a day off during the week.
Pay Raise
USDA
Tue Jun 30, 2009 9:22 AM
Federal employees asked to accept a lower pay raise for 2010, why should we when congress is doling out money like it candy to banks and investment firms and they in turn take that money and double the pay of CEO's and other higher level management (who are already way overpaid) and for their over extravagant business trips. This is not how the bailout was intended to be used. I believe congress should force these banks and investment firms to return the money since they did not use the funds for the intended purpose. Also, bonuses are suppose to be performance based, so how do these CEO's and other higher ups get these hugh bonuses when their firm is going under - doesn't make good sense to me.
Proposes 2% Pay Raise
grunt@gmail.com
Tue Jun 30, 2009 8:07 PM
Don't mind the sacrifice but when BO says we are going to spend 3trillion to make his cronies rich so can't buy into the sacrifice. Want to get mine now.
We are heading into the worse economic downturn in American history w/ Cap and trade.
So up w/ the raise.
Accept a 2% in 2010? Why, Congress just gave
USPS
Wed Jul 1, 2009 12:35 AM
themselfs a 8% raise. Come on O'Bama...keep the change.
Blue
Pay Raise
DOJ/FBOP
Thu Jul 2, 2009 3:41 PM
What is the latest on the COLA raise for 2010?
Re: Pay Raise
fedsmith.com
Thu Jul 2, 2009 5:56 PM
The latest article on the COLA for retirees (I presume that is what you are looking for since active federal employees receive a raise and not a COLA) is at: http://www.fedsmith.com/article/2041/
the same article is also an update on the pay raise.
Pay raise
FS
Thu Jul 9, 2009 9:34 AM
I am very thankful to have a job with health insurance benefits. With all of the suffering millions non-govt workers and small businesses are experiencing economically at this time, I don't think it's too much to ask of govt employees to settle for a lower pay increase or even no increase. I do not have a problem with military folks getting a higher pay raise; they are making a huge sacrifice for the rest of us. If the administration and Congress would quit spending money they don't have, we would get out of this mess alot sooner. Low pay raises will be the least of our worries in a few years if our so-called leaders don't get a grip on reality.
2010 PAY RAISE
USSTRATCOM
Thu Jul 9, 2009 12:22 PM
I will make he president a deal...I will take the same pay raise he takes for 2010.
President Asks Federal Employees to Sacrifice in 2
HQ ARPC
Mon Jul 13, 2009 10:21 AM
Does he not know that the pay raises in the past did NOT even come close to the raise in health insurance for those years. Why should we settle for a lower pay raise when congress and senate give them selves a pay raise ever year, does not make sense to me.
Pay raise
SSA/ODAR
Fri Jul 17, 2009 10:14 AM
I understand sacrifice if it's involves everyone, the House of Representatives were given 2.7% this year and then proposed that I get 2% did they sacrifice? No they did not. I live in California which is supposed to be broke. My car license fee has doubled from last year, sales tax increase, energy tax increase and the gas in california $3 and more. I think I am sacrificing in order for me to live I must pay increases you have to have money to pay. When prices, taxes increase your salary should reflect so you can pay your bills.
It's amazing that each president has a plan that they say will work it's in our best interest however they don't seem to learn from each others mistakes. Arrogrance
Pay Raise
US Army
Fri Jul 17, 2009 8:29 PM
I'm willing to sacrifice as long as this do nothing President and the crooks in congress as well as the tax cheats in his administration take a cut in pay. Six months in office and things have gotten worse for everybody, especially the poor and now he wants penalize the government workers. The Change he promised has not been for the better, but I do have some change in my pockets.
concern
USDA
Sun Jul 19, 2009 5:58 AM
I am a single parent mother workin for the federal govt and I have absolutely no complaints.
In fact I love my job and my benefits. But I do find it difficult to swallow the projected 2010 pay raisem
I was lookin forward to a nice raisen not so much significant but noticeable.
The reason I am concerned is because I will be a first time homebuyer in the very near future
And I was kind of lookin forward to at least a 2.9% increase. Hopefully things
Will change and the increase in the Dc area will change because
Of the high cost of living.
Civilian Pay Raise 2010
va
Sat Jul 25, 2009 2:42 PM
Seems to me, that whatever we get, 30% of it goes right back to our taxes anyway, so what we would be talking about is 2% added and 30% of the total returned. And in many cases, these increases put folks into a new tax bracket and we don't see any of it at all.
I'd be happy with NO INCREASES in the insurance premiums.
Pay Raise
U. S. State Department
Fri Jul 31, 2009 7:52 AM
How about asking the President to have the federal government, high-paid direct hires including contractors to stop traveling oversees every week and taking their families for excursions on the taxpayers' pennies? The President should consider utilizing the federal workers' talents rather than paying high-dollar contractors to work.
DEFICIT
FSA
Fri Jul 31, 2009 9:37 AM
Let the ones that had to borrow the money pay their own interest and pay it back!! Why should we have to pay for their mismanagement. Are Congress & Senate going to forego their raises. The Credit Card Companies got ARRA monies & then still try to stick it to the public just like them all. The rich get richer the poor get poorer.
President Asks Federal Employees to Sacrifice in 2
HQ ARPC
Mon Aug 10, 2009 8:59 AM
Is he crazy, we have sacrificed, doesn't he understand how far behind we are compared to the private sector. Also, any raise we get our insurance goes up double, so there is no raise seen in our pay checks.
He is needs to look at executive government, if any needs to sacrifice it would be them.
2010 Federal EMployee ay Raise
Centers fro Disease Control & Prevention
Mon Aug 10, 2009 9:06 AM
I agree and support the decision for the 2% pay raise. Given the current economic situation and rising unemployment across the country, federal employees should be grateful for any increase in pay.
Pay Raise
DoD
Mon Aug 10, 2009 9:45 AM
I agree that receiving any type of a raise is a good thing, and really should not be an "intitlement". I just don't care for the reasoning. The private sector is not doing well, so Federal Employees should suffer too??? What??? I just don't understand this whole "everyone must suffer if anyone is" type thinking. When the private sector's profits were soaring Federal Employees didn't share the wealth, and there are pay parity laws that have been ignored as well. Now that things are a mess, we have to feel the pain. Again, we should be thankful for any pay increase, but not for the reasons being used.
2010 Federal Pay Raise
Corporation for National Service
Tue Aug 11, 2009 10:45 AM
No raise is better than none. But if the Feds can bell out the banks they can give Federal employees and military a 4% raise without a doubt. Enough said.
Pay raise for 2010
US Army Corps of Enginers
Wed Aug 12, 2009 10:44 AM
I don't think that it is fair to ask me to give up my pay raise, because I am a signle parent of four and I depend on the pay raise in order to support my family. This wouls come as a hardship for me as well as a lot of one income households in this region. I am already on a budget as is with this encomy crises.
Hell no!
Army Corps of Engineer
Wed Aug 12, 2009 10:46 AM
People depend on this money - the cost of everything else is going up and we need our income to be raised to account for the high cost of living increases. personally, I work extremely hard and I deserve a raise! I can't do without that cost of living and locality pay raise or I won't be able to afford daycare, food, gas, clothes for my kids. Take the money from something like tax on cigarettes, and beer instead! Something that people aren't depending on!
Proposed 2% Pay Raise
FAA
Thu Aug 13, 2009 8:37 AM
My son is in college (father is out of work and out of the picture), my brother is out of work and he and his teenage son is now living with me while he finds some kind of work, my mother is in poor health and is also now living with me. Every little bit helps. I figure congress makes a lot more money and reaps a lot of "other" benefits than I do...The can afford to not get a pay raise...I can't!
Proposed 2% increase
FAA
Thu Aug 13, 2009 8:51 AM
Concidering that my state has increased taxes this year to cover all the job losses (or whatever!) , I have an increase household members due to all the job lay offs (many have been taking jobs under the table to just to eat...therefore no unemployement benefits). Yes, I am thankful for my job...it allows me to let family members sleep on the couch and on the floor...no one is able to find work it the last six months. I am lucky if I can pay my bills as it is, now I have more mouths to feed. Im already "sucking it up"!
2010 Pay Raise
Forest Service
Thu Aug 13, 2009 8:55 AM
Although the larger raises of past years are nice, how can we as Federal employees with some of the most secure jobs in the nation feel right and justified to get a higher raise when so many foks are losing jobs, their benefits and their homes? I for one certainly don't feel good about it, and would be perfectly happy to have a lower, if any, pay raise if it would mean additional assistance to help others through these hards times. we're all in this world together... we thrive together or we fail together.
SCRIFICE IN 2010
Army
Thu Aug 13, 2009 11:38 AM
Ok. Let's see....I'm going to be paying because the guy next door over estimated his income potential, I'm going to be contributing to paying off kids' loans for school, I'm going to be paying for people to trade in their automobiles many of which are better/newer than mine for even better/newer autos than mine, I'm going to be paying more so that everyone can have medical insurance,....I'm sure there's something I've overlooked. Oh, yes, I'll have less money to do all this!!!! What about me? I've paid my way through college, bought a house I could afford, etc. What about me????
Pay Raise/COLA
DHS
Tue Aug 25, 2009 6:33 PM
Pay Raise is what employees get.
COLA is cost of living increase for retirees.
I'm retired and on a fixed income, with COLA looking like 0 this year and maybe next. But I'm hoping and praying BC/BS premiums for me and my family don't go up much. It's like a loss in income.
I agree with many above. The cost of everythin is going up. Even if it levels off, we're playing catch up.
And I'm tired of hearing nonfeds remark about how we don't understand THEIR hardships. It's hard for Feds too - working or retired.
Federal Employees asked to Sacrifice
USDA
Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:23 PM
This is total B.S. I am sick and tired of being FORCED to sacrifice so Obama can bail out more corporations and their overpaid executives. Enough is enough, Obama should go ahead and change the name of our nation to United Socialist States of America (USSA, vice USSR). God I wish I could retire.
Sacrifice? Mismanagement more likely!
ICE
Thu Aug 27, 2009 1:42 PM
Lovely - federal employees told to ignore new energy taxes we'll be paying, a soaring deficit with which our great grandchildren will be burdened, the anemic economy and insane expenditures made by BIG government, and then to tighten our belts, look approvingly at the big paddle, bend over, and say, "Thank you, sir, may I have another?" This, while our "let-them-eat-cake" president spends a half mil on date night, Pelosi and cronies use a one-day trip to Iraq to spend eight sun-filled days in Italy on the taxpayer dime, card-carrying communist anointed "Green Czar," and Joe "foot-in-mouth-disease" Biden dubbed watchdog over the stimulus payout - is that how the murderers, rapists and drug dealers in prison received stimulus checks from SSA. Hope everyone who voted for this socialist is happy now. You're getting change - and lessons in Civics - from the Poliburo (let-them-eat-cake powers) to the proletariat (you, I, and the rest of the working class drones). Next takeover, the media.
should be NO pay raise
DOD
Mon Aug 31, 2009 8:38 PM
How can this be justified when millions are being laid off?Gov. retirees are receiving zilch....0....
Fed employees should be getting zilch too....
President Asks Federal Employees to Sacrifice in 2
HQ ARPC
Tue Sep 1, 2009 9:08 AM
Have they lost their minds, government employees are so far behind the private sector.
Federal Employee Pay
SSA
Tue Sep 1, 2009 9:47 AM
It has always been that federal employees were well below averge pay when compared to private industry performing the same jobs. I feel that the proposed cut in federal pay increase will hit the federal employees really hard because our federal health benefits have really increased for the upcoming year. The 2.0 proposed will be as though we never got it. (and then some) Needs to be rethought especially when so many of us support health care reform - we will already be paying more for that and then our raise taken away - can't even think about what will be next!
Change you can believe in!
CBP
Tue Sep 1, 2009 6:40 PM
The elitist wants us to sacrifice while he takes lavish family vacations! lol!
Pay Raise
DOL
Fri Sep 4, 2009 8:18 AM
You know, a pay raise of 2% wouldn't be that bad if they would quit raising medical insurance, life insurance, taxes, and all the other so called benefits. It seems like every time a raise is given, we end up with less money in our pockets. In fact, we are paying out even more than ever for these so called benefits. For the majority of us, not in the Washington DC area I might add, we are living paycheck to paycheck. I belive the employees in Washington are drastically over paid and that the personnel outside of the area are no where near the salaries depicted and the raises aren't helping when health care costs have risen to twice the amount of the raise.
Partisan
IRS
Tue Sep 29, 2009 10:54 AM
You are a bit partisan aren't you. I didn't see any great proposed pay raises by Bush. I would appreciate you listing his PROPOSED pay raises while he was in office. He has not been a friend to any worker federal or private unless their income was over $1,000,000.00.
SOME FAMILIES TIGHTEN THEIR BELTS...NOT ALL
DoD
Thu Oct 1, 2009 3:05 PM
"Obama's budget message states: "As families are tightening their belts in this economic crisis across the country, the President ordered a freeze of White House senior staff pay. In this Budget, Federal employees also will be asked to do their part: the 2010 pay increase for Federal civilian employees, 2.0 percent, is responsive to the current economic climate, bringing Federal pay and benefit practices more in line with the private sector."
Families tightening their belts obviously do not include the Obamas. How many federal workers have used Air Force One to take a fun Valentine's Day trip to Chicago...that cost the taxpayers $425,000? Then there was that NYC date thing that supposedly cost $48,000 - $50,000. When is the last time any of you have entertained your friends, family and associates w/steak that cost $100 a pound? Does your wife wear $600.00 tennis shoes when she visits the soup kitchen? How much have all these trips on Air Force One to Denmark cost so far?
Federal Pay Raise
AFISR
Mon Oct 5, 2009 8:14 AM
Well being an old retired Veteran, I can understand where the Pres is coming from, if he gives us Federal Employees a good pay raise, he would not have enough to bail out all the car companies and banks so, what he is telling all us Federal Employees is
"Suck it Up", you are not getting a good pay raise, I might need that money to go flying around the world and take half of Chiago with me. Sorry if I sound bitter but I am. Thanks
Pay Raise
USAF
Mon Oct 5, 2009 9:14 AM
I don't mind sacrificing the 2.% but what about the raise for health insurance they will take it all and more, if the raise is so low, then I might have to cancel my health insurance for this year and buy only accident insurance just in case something happens to me. As soon as I am able to buy health insurance then next year I might go back again perhaps by then the economy gets better.
Pay Raise!!!
State of NC
Fri Oct 16, 2009 11:26 AM
Federal Employees are blessed! At least they receive a raise. They get 2% when state employees get no raise and the last two months of 2009 fiscal year, our salaries was reduced to cover the shortfall of the budget!!
WHY GIVE FEDS ANY RAISE?
CONCERNED CITIZEN
Sat Oct 24, 2009 12:32 PM
When the President has cut Social Security how can he give the Federal Employees in D.C. a 2 % raise? How good of them to not take their regular raise and cut it to a measly $4700. raise when those who depend on their Social Security checks are not receiving a raise. But, we are getting a raise in the cost of Medicare for the next three years. Where is the sense of that?
Who does Obama think is shouldering the financial burden of his great changes? Wake up...you can't get blood from a turnip! Or maybe China will come to his rescue! God forbid!!!
Pay raises for Federal Employees
Home owner
Tue Nov 17, 2009 3:14 PM
They can hold us Seniors to ZERO % cola increase but can give 2% salary increase to all Federal employees.
What good is $250 when they get THOUSANDS!!!!!!!!
What are we to do? Yes, just DIE off and forget about us. The ones who built this Great Country gets the SHAFT. No matter what we say, they have their minds made up. VOTE THEM ALL OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Victor Jacketti
Margevic@msn.com