I reckon I see myself in that article. I retired from the nervous hospital after many, many years and found myself in a world where french fried taters (the bigguns) were new to me. Umm Humm. But I'm lucky; I retained my lawnmower fixin skills and used em in my new life. From time to time I made sure I remembered to sharpen those blades. And I took my books with me. I didn't understand all of em but I reckon I understood a good deal of em. Umm Humm. I knew how to deal with the Doyle's of the new world. I also remembered that coffee made me nervous when I drink it. I discovered that little things matter; like helpin a young boy carry his warsh home. I reckon I went back to where I growd up as a boy and revisited the hole I dug fer myself in my shed out back of the house. Umm Humm. Bein in the nervous hospital I talked kinda funny but that boy-I loved that boy-liked the way I talked. Umm Humm. In the end I had to go back to the nervous hopital I miss my taters. Umm Humm.
Re: Unretire
Cecil B. Demille Movie Mogul Fri Apr 17, 2009 8:17 AM
What a beautiful metaphor for retirement. That sounds like big screen material to me.
Retirement
Supreme Mongo Bureau of Mongo Fri Apr 17, 2009 8:35 AM
Do What?? Anyone who doesn't plan ahead for retirement the same way they should be planning for other things in their future is a sammich shy of a picnic. I started planning for my military retirement 3 years out; where to settle, new career to start, educational needs of the kids and so on. I've already begun planning for the next one in 4 years. Expenses to cut on a fixed income, daily chores for upkeep and maintenance of the home, vacation itinerary, exercise routine and even a part time job for fish bait and beer money. I think I'll take to retirement like a duck to water.
Re: Retirement
Semi-retired None Fri Apr 17, 2009 9:08 AM
I suppose this kind of in-depth psychoanalyis is therapeutic for some. I retired in 2005 (w/32 yrs of service) to sail my boat across the Atlantic while I was still young enough to do so. Spent the summer sailing around the Med with my wife and kids. Upon return, crossed the US three times in an RV, once with the family. Now working termporarily for a contractor providing labor relations support to a Fed agency. I run a charter boat business on the Chesapeake during the summer. Leaving in 3 weeks on a solo cross-country motorcycle trip. Haven't had time to analyze why I'm doing what I'm doing, but I appreciate the CSRS retirement checks every month!
Re: Retirement
EE DOD Fri Apr 17, 2009 9:34 AM
I think that is a key to a successful retirement. It is not just important to retire FROM, but it is important that you have something to retire TO.
Re: Retirement
Analyst DOD Tue Apr 21, 2009 11:24 AM
Supreme Mongo Bureau of Mongo well goodie for you. I too was planning on a nice comfortable retirement than the country went into a large hole and I lost most of my nice comfortable retirement money. My point is some times it makes no difference how much you plan and save and invest. It doesn't work out as well as Karl
Nervous Hospital.
Retirement Paradox
Retired IRS Fri Apr 17, 2009 8:47 AM
I too retired last year after 35 years working in a professional civil service job. There were co-workers who were like family because we had spent our working hours together and shared our life's experiences over so many years. However, I have never felt the "phases" mentioned in this article. I loved my job but I was ready to let go. Because my co-workers & I had worked together so long, many of them are also retiring. We get together for lunch every few months to catch up. The office is now changing in that there are "new" people who I do not even know. I went back for the annual Christmas lunch and except for other retirees, there were few people that I worked with. My only real problem with retirement is that after over a year I haven't dented my "to do" list. I find that it is too easy to procrastinate when you know that there is always another day off the next day. I love retirement and have never regretted that I retired at the first opportunity.
Re: Retirement Paradox
Retired HR SES USAF Fri Apr 17, 2009 9:19 AM
This has been closer to my experience too. I've been retired since Oct 2007, after a career of over 35 years, at multiple locations in the US and abroad. I had wonderful experiences, accomplishments, and memories, but I was ready to let it go. I haven't physically relocated yet so much of my routine remains. And DC is a great place to live if you can avoid commuter traffic and long workdays! Now there is time for pleasure reading, exercise, and fun intellectual pursuits. And everyday I thank God for having had a CSRS covered career, good health insurance, and personal planning to save rather than spend everything I made. Retirement can be great!
Great Article
Specialist Federal Agency Fri Apr 17, 2009 8:53 AM
As I count down the days to my upcoming retirement, this article will and the authors experience will remain in my mind. While I have been "planning" for my retirement, I know now that for a short period of time there will be transition. Someone asked me the other day what I am going to do when I retire and the first thing that comes to mind is taking a breather and try to release the years of information in my brain that has built up. Once that is done, I have a solid plan on what my next chapter will be and I plan to get to it slowly.
Thanks for sharing this article!
retirement
retired letter carrier USPS Fri Apr 17, 2009 9:05 AM
I retired after nearly 25 years with Postal Service. I carried the mail, and I really and truly liked to work hard. My decision was based on the need to help with my grandchildren. It was not an easy adjustment. It does take time to get used to virtually no routine at all, unless you devise one. Also, in my position as a letter carrier, one might as well forget about finding a part-time job easily. I basically acquired zero skills for all those years. Prior to that I was a private secretary. But that was before computers. I knew how to type fast and use shorthand. Now, my only skill was that of basically a newspaper delivery person. I had a safe driving record. Period. At my age, I can either re-train for a new career or settle for something less fulfilling for a check to help with medical insurance. People need to think hard and heavy about their insurance needs. It cuts a big hole in your monthly check.
Retirement
Compliance Specialist Veterans Affairs Fri Apr 17, 2009 9:09 AM
I will be retiring in less than 3 three years and I have been planning for it since 2 years ago. I called it my "Five Year Plan" and made plans to cut expenses, pay off debt, relocate to a lower cost of living area and focus on a part-time small business that I could run myself. I have pretty much completed my FYP except for the relocation. Everything else is set. I will be retiring on a Friday and I will be working the next day doing what I want to do and enjoying my retirement. Retirement planning means so much more than what your pension will be every month. I can't wait to start my "retirement phase".
Retirement
HR Spec GSA Fri Apr 17, 2009 9:15 AM
I wonder what kind of personal life Ms. Vierneisel had prior to retirement that upon retirement she felt such loss and disconnect. My personal life is so rich and full with family, service to my church and other engagements, having to work gets in the way. My real life begins at 4:00 p.m.
Re: Retirement
Program Analyst OPM Fri Apr 17, 2009 10:55 AM
I believe you hit the nail right on the head. If you let your career be your main focus with no rewards in your personal life then leaving it would be most traumatic. Also, if you have a plan you are looking forward to then the transition is also less painful.
Re: Retirement
usda worker Fri Apr 17, 2009 2:20 PM
probably the most sense anyone here has posted? Work to live NOT Live to Work
Re: Retirement
Civil Engineer VHA Mon Apr 20, 2009 9:58 AM
Great perspective. If your work is your life, then what does that mean when your work is finished? Your life is over? That appears to be what happened to the author.
I'm not a a or b personality. I;m a R. R for retirement. I took many pre retirment surveys and they all said i was invented for retirement. I;m happy just thinking about nothing. really i have many interestests. mainly what is life all about. That;s why i took an early reirement at 53
retirement paradox
program implementation manager federal aviation administration Fri Apr 17, 2009 9:26 AM
An excellent, thought provoking article. This also applies to people on long term leave, sick or whatever. I see this happening with my husband, who is not sure if he'll be able to return to work, and has been home almost a year. He's been going through a lot of the same emotions, now I understand why! I've printed the article for him.
The Emotional Transition of Retirement
Retired HR Supervisor NIH Fri Apr 17, 2009 10:03 AM
This article is exactly what I went through for all the same reasons. I've never regretted retiring and absolutely love it. You can plan everything, which I did, but you can't plan emotions.
RETIREMENT
Retired ALJ SSA Fri Apr 17, 2009 10:03 AM
All I can say is retirement rocks!
The Retirement Paradox
Test Control Officer USAF Fri Apr 17, 2009 10:04 AM
Great article and I printed it so I can obtain the book.
Many thanks for sharing with us:)
Retirement
Retired LR Manager Retired DoD, FAA, US Customs Fri Apr 17, 2009 10:18 AM
You can find so many ways to fill the day. Good luck to everyone. Retirment is so valuable...think how lucky you are to control your own day.
Just let it go
Retired AF/FERS Retired Fri Apr 17, 2009 10:36 AM
Like many of the people making comments here, I have no regrets nor any feelings of loss about leaving work in 05. Same as when I retired from the military in 1987. I didn't look back and haven't missed either life. And like some said, the old office is no more. It has been reorganized twice in 3 years and more than half the people have moved on or retired. After working continuously for 45 years I walked away and missed it not one whit. Me thinks the lady doth feel herself irreplaceable and that she left work undone. She should accept that perhaps that someone very ably stepped in and life at the office goes on. It is not hard. Just let go and become involved in other things that don't compensate her with money.
Retirement
Air Traffic Manager Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) Fri Apr 17, 2009 10:43 AM
I hope she has found and joined the National Active and Retired Federal Employee Association (NARFE). Check out their web site: www.narfe.org
Change
Retired USPS Fri Apr 17, 2009 11:13 AM
Our reaction to retirement varies by our personality, how much we liked our job, coworkers, etc. For the first few months, I was hyper productive doing all the projects that I had been unable to complete while working. Then I slowed down into permanent procrastination because it was too easy to realize that I had no deadlines. Later, I started to feel disconnected from the "real world." Once, I had been important; people came to me with their problems. Suddenly I was just an old retired nobody. I missed the intellectual stimulation. It was necessary to search for new things to fill my needs. Some volunteer jobs, new hobbies, and auditing college classes fit me perfectly. The point is, we will each have different reactions to retirement which are not predictable. Be prepared to recognize your own needs and find new things to fill them. Most importantly, appreciate that you have the time discover what works for you.
Retirement
HR Manager (retired) DOD Fri Apr 17, 2009 11:43 AM
What employees need to recognize is that retirement is easy if you have taken the time to analyze how it will change not only your long range life but more immediately your day to day activities. And, if you are in a position of authority, you must also be willing to give the “trappings” of your position. Like with anything else, if you want to be successful you must have a plan. Obviously this person was not ready to give up her “position.” For me working for Uncle Sam for 35 plus years was great and giving up the “sir” or “Mr.” every time an employee spoke to me or giving up the nice office with the big wooden desk was easy because my decision to retire was one I took my time in making and I got all the necessary input, including the most important – that of my wife who had already retired. Hopefully her story will encourage people to think before they retire as opposed to making them think retirement into a disappointing nightmare.
An Alternate View: Self-Idenity And Retirement
Retired DoC Fri Apr 17, 2009 1:44 PM
I've been retired now for over 6 years after a 40 year Federal career. Before retirement, I was worried that I too would go through the kind of painful adjustment expressed by the writer. I'm still waiting for the painful adjustment - it just won't come. Upon reflection, I think I know why.
For one who's self-identity is primarily "who I am at work", the adjustment will be very painful - because suddenly, your "nobody".
For one who continuously maintains a balanced life with family, friends, and multiple interests outside of work, there is simply nothing to adjust to - life simply continues its normal course.
The job is only a job - it's a big mistake to allow it to substitute even a little bit for family, friends, hobbies, and other career independent activities.
The other factor is simply age - we tend to forget that by the time we retire, we're a lot older and things don't look the same anymore. The focus turns to health matters and a natural slower pace.
That's life!
retirement
usda worker Fri Apr 17, 2009 2:25 PM
Program analyst hit the nail on the head. I was so caught up in working towards my goal of retiring at a 13 level that i forgot about my family and when i got reinvented and pushed aside, i quit and found out that I had tied myself to close to my job. the feeling of losing everything you had worked hard for is real tough to shake. It took me almost 5 years and I had to return to the FED for health insurance for my disabled wife. take my advise.... WORK TO LIVE, DON'T LIVE TO WORK!!!.
workaholic
DRA Homeland Security Fri Apr 17, 2009 2:33 PM
Good description of how a workaholic admitted her addictions and re-adjusted . . . . wonder how many, percentage-wise, federal employees are workaholics? If our small office is representative of federal employees, I'd say one in 40 is a workaholic who will have problems adjusting to retirement. The rest of us? Yehaw!! Time to flex our wings and live our lives full-time instead of squeezing it in during weekends!
Your article really struck a cord with me. I retired in 2006 and still miss my work. However, as time goes on, I miss it less and my life has been filled with other things. I still keep up with the latest developments and work part time as a consultant so I have the best of both worlds. Like you, I have never been busier with my grandchildred, parents, traveling, etc. One think I don't miss is getting up early and having to be somewhere at a certain time. That was one of the first things I let go. Retired Fed
Retired
Mr DOD Fri Apr 17, 2009 4:50 PM
I retired, Type B, and I'm enjoying it. I don't miss those Type As one bit. They should realize we had to work for them.
Retirement
Retired Accountant Forest Service Fri Apr 17, 2009 7:05 PM
Wow, this is amazing to read! When I retired about two years ago after 36 years of work, it took me about 24 hours to get used to it. It's like a weekend that just never ends! I still converse with the folks from work that I want to talk to--usually thru emails/facebook. And, it is true that I am busier now than I was before I retired. It must be a whole different world at work when you're a manager (as opposed to us GS-11's and below) for a person to have to go through as much adjustment as this author did. I'm sorry it was that way for her. Myself, I had no adjustment period--I merely didn't go back to work and everything just fell into place. My wife and I couldn't be happier!
retirement
electrician (retired) DOD Fri Apr 17, 2009 8:22 PM
I have never, for one day, missed my job after I retired. For the first three years I would often chuckle to myself while I drank a cup of coffee in the morning so pleased that I didn't have to fight the traffic to work. What I most remember is the cronyism that flourished because making a profit is not a consideration in the blue collar field that I worked. There are many skilled, motivated workers but also many incompetent slackers that do too well. I am gratefull for the generous pension and health benefits but don't miss my old job.
Getting near but not there yet
Scientist DOD Sat Apr 18, 2009 7:29 AM
Can one change from A to B? When I was younger I worked every waking hour. I truly enjoyed it. However, there came a time where, in order to increase in salary, I had to take on more and more leadership roles. My satisfaction with my work decreased in proportion to the decrease in the hands-on work. I took up a hobby; started decreasing the hours to 40-50 hours/week depending on the load. Now I am 100% non-hands-on and find myself pursuing my real love (applied math) outside of work, learning new applications outside my original career field. I cannot wait to retire to this new world. One might say that the office created my soon to be after-life.
Retirement
New Retiree USDVA Sat Apr 18, 2009 7:58 PM
I appreciated Karen Vierneisel's article, as I too am just starting out on the retirement path. When I announced my change, I rejected the term retirement which sounds so final) and replaced it with readjusting, regrouping, reprioritizing, refocusing....lots of 're's'. And I am finding all of those to be accurate depictions of my process. I am enjoying the freedom of making my own priorities, setting my own agendas, sleeping late, staying up late. I expect to re-engage with work sometime soon; but I know it will be on my own terms.
Retirement
HR Specialist USDA Mon Apr 20, 2009 8:41 AM
I did retirement counseling for some years and and still called upon by employees to answer questions. I'm also less then a year from my own retirement. I would say all the friends and relativies (with 1 exception) I know who've retired are happy with their choice (even the ones that have to work to subsidize their income). That one exception was a 50 year old, unhappy with her federal job, who jumped on an Early Out. Her retirement income was too low and she had to get another full time job. She didn't miss her job at all, just the income. What I observed when counseling employees was those with a definite plan or, business, or focus were much better mentally prepared for retirement then the author. Many had started a part-time business (rental property, jewelry creation, Mardi Gras ball gowns, etc.) I had a couple who went into teaching via Teach America. Others became full time volunteers at their churches or other ministries. Many have been retired 10 yrs or more.
Retirement
IT Retired DOD Mon Apr 20, 2009 8:46 AM
I have been reading the different perspectives and have enjoyed them all! :)
For myself, I retired in 2005 and took the VERA/VSIP. However, I more or less had to retire due to spinal disorders, ongoing surgeries, etc. It wasn't an easy decision as I was only 48 at the time. And I took many weeks mulling over the decision. And, as you all well know, took a cut in my pension. However, my husband still works, also for DOD, and has made it possible for me to live a comfortable life. Anyway, yep, and regardless of my medical issues retirement rocks...as another posted stated.
I have my bad days and I have my good days. On the good days I am able to meet up with fellow co-workers for lunch and things of that nature. I can't really travel but I don't want to considering that's all I did during BRAC.
In any case, I am rambling. As the saying goes, "Jump, in the water is fine!" I haven't looked back nor do I have any regrets whatsoever and no adjustment phase(s) either!
Not Suited for Retirement
Civil Engineer VHA Mon Apr 20, 2009 9:53 AM
She says it quite well when she mentions the Type A personality that got her to the "top" is not suited for retirement. You see the same thing in senior retired military officers - 0-6's and Generals. They go from being top dog one minute to retired Joe the next. Can't handle it well. They've adapted well to their job/niche, but can't live in the real world....a bit pathetic really.
Retirement is not the time to figure out what your life really means and what's important to you. That's what your whole life is for.
Are You a Legend In Your Own Mind ??
Civil Servant DOD Mon Apr 20, 2009 10:16 AM
For those that feel the entire agency will collapse when you leave, trust me, there are many warm bodies waiting in line for you to go. You are replacable.
If you find yourself thinking this way, you should have retired a long time ago--so get your papers in order and do something for yourself. But as the others noted, make sure you have something to go TO, not just retire FROM your job.
SOON TO RETIRE, Understanding Tranisition
INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY SPECIALIST IRS Mon Apr 20, 2009 10:52 AM
I am about ready to retire and enjoyed this artical. It will certainly help me to understand the tranisitions and maybe get over the rough spots a little easier. I will be ordering the book recommended to gain more understanding.
Thanks for sharing.
emotions after retirement
manger, customer service United States Postal Service Mon Apr 20, 2009 2:28 PM
Thank you Ms. Vierneisel for taking the time to share your feelings with us retirees. Soon after I retired I attended a National Association of Supervisors meeting. There I met other recently retired managers from the Postal Service. At the time I was experiencing a feeling of loss and anxiety from leaving my job. I was asked how I felt being retired and although I said great, I had an empty feeling inside like is this it?
When I asked how they were enjoying retirement they responded that they were enjoying it immensely. This left me confused. I started to think I left too early. However, I had 33 years with the service and could afford to leave but I still felt like there was a void in my life.
Phase 2, I needed to feel productive again! I found a part time job 3 times a week. Since the weather broke I'm playing golf twice a week and my wife and I are going to Aruba next November.
I think I've made it to phase 3.
Retiring Soon
IT Naval Hospital Mon Apr 20, 2009 5:42 PM
I'll be retiring in 6 years with 40 years in civil service. In fact I will be the last of a group of 8 who started almost at the same time in my IT department. I can't wait!
I'm very much looking forward to retiring as I have a lot of projects to look forward to such as volunteering for the SPCA, enjoying the company of my Red Hat group (comprised of current and retired co-workers) and spending more time working on creating gourd art work.
It's like everyone has been saying your job shouldn't define who you are but I will have to say I've met a lot of wonderful people during the journey some of whom will always remain part of my family.
Self-Identity after Retirement
Retired Special Agent HHS/OIG/OI Mon Apr 20, 2009 10:53 PM
I can relate to her comments after having been a federal law enforcement officer for 32 years. It took a while to become adjusted to the real natural life rather than investigating crooks and trying to prosecute defendants. Life is so much simpler now and not as complicated as trying to put exhibits together to prove a defendant guilty. Sure I miss the rewards of a job well done but now I can maneuver in a world of social rewards based on fun activities like skiing, softball, and biking.
Karen's Retirement
Retired Analyst DOD Tue Apr 21, 2009 5:45 PM
I noticed that neither Karen Vierneisel nor any of the people who commented on her article say why they retired. That’s important because I believe one’s motivations have a huge impact on their post-retirement quality of life. What struck me with Karen’s career was its remarkable stability, i.e., same location, coworkers, etc., versus the turmoil and instability present in many agencies, especially post 9/11. It really gets old hearing people say one should embrace change because not all change is beneficial. To me it comes down to self-preservation. The 20 to 45 year olds have the mental and physical stamina to withstand long hours, deal with sudden changes in work location, and numerous other demands. During my career, I knew of few 50+ who could realistically work 14 hour days and also cope with constant reorganizations and rules changing in the middle of the game. We did our duty, but wisely left while we were young enough to enjoy our well-earned retirement. At least I did, and will proffer no apologies for what I do or do not do in my new life. Neither should Karen.
Retirement
Administrative Support Assistant HUD Thu Apr 23, 2009 10:03 AM
I am glad that Ms. Vierniesel had a wonderful working relationship in her job and actually missed work when she retired; however, there are some of us who are not that fortunate. I had an extremely good working relationship with three excellent managers who knew their jobs well. Our office worked as a team and we produced excellent work for over 10 years. Suddenly, our managers were forced out by higher management. New management arrived and quickly "thinned" out the office of just about everyone who had worked for those managers. I'm not able to retire but I am looking forward to leaving this stressful environment. Everyone that has left this office comments about how less stressful their life is in retirement and how great they feel. I have hobbies that I am looking forward to spending more time with and getting out of this "rat race." Can't wait!
Retirement
Retired DSS Special Agent DOD Mon Apr 27, 2009 12:39 PM
The 3rd of June I will have been retired for 6 years after a total of 34 years service (4 military-30 CS). I did not miss work the day after I turned in my badge and have not missed it. It was time to do something else. My wife retired from her position (College Dean) 2 years after I did. I retired as I did not want to learn a new computer system and a new way to write investigative reports and a different way to conduct investigations. This "old dog" did not want to learn new tricks. DOD decided to get out of the personnel security business and transferred the function to OPM. Since retirement, we have traveled: Alaska twice, England, Ireland, Scotland, Wales, Mexico, the American Southwest and numerous islands. Even though I have been asked to return to work, I have declined. We planned for retirement (saved-invested) and, as someone else said, are busier now than when we worked. BUT it is with what we want to do.
Retirement
Retired DSS Special Agent DOD Mon Apr 27, 2009 1:33 PM
The 3rd of June I will have been retired for 6 years after a total of 34 years service (4 military-30 CS). I did not miss work the day after I turned in my badge and have not missed it. It was time to do something else. My wife retired from her position (College Dean) 2 years after I did. I retired as I did not want to learn a new computer system and a new way to write investigative reports and a different way to conduct investigations. This "old dog" did not want to learn new tricks. DOD decided to get out of the personnel security business and transferred the function to OPM. Since retirement, we have traveled: Alaska twice, England, Ireland, Scotland, Wales, Mexico, the American Southwest and numerous islands. Even though I have been asked to return to work, I have declined. We planned for retirement (saved-invested) and, as someone else said, are busier now than when we worked. BUT it is with what we want to do.
Retirement
Letter carrier USPS Mon May 11, 2009 9:44 AM
Im retired so no need to find work as I worked for 42 years carring mail plus odd jobs before that. We have my postal pention at 80% and a wepped out social security. We have found a great pass time in games at www.pogo.com. Im a euchre player and have made a number of friends from around the world. We have a great time like the work room florr at the post office. Aside from that we make a couple trips a month to the casino. I love retirement just the way it is. Im not hard to please.
Thank you
supervisor DHS Thu Jun 18, 2009 1:30 PM
Thank you for clearing up what has been bothering me about my upcoming retirement. I'm getting ready to retire in about a year and have been wondering what it will be like. Something kept telling me it won't be what I think but I didn't know why. I'm excited, for sure, but skeptical. Now that I know why, I can prepare better for the 3 phases you mention. Thanks again for the insight!
Retirement
Retired Senior Foreign Service Officer Dept. of State Tue Jul 14, 2009 8:00 AM
Great article. However, the key to Karen's difficult transition is that she is/was a self-admitted A-type personality. I can tell you that those of us who are not A-types generally have a much easier transition and indeed relish the freedom and options available in retirement.
Retirement
Program Manager Civilian, Air Force Fri Sep 11, 2009 11:59 AM
Do you live to work...or do you work to live? I believe that's the key in whether one will 'take' to retirement easily...or not. I'm planning to retire in the next few months with 35 years service; I'll be 55 years old. My daughter is in high school and I've always wanted to be a stay at home Mom.. cook a good breakfast, be there with dinner waiting for her and my husband, work in the yard, walk with the neighbor ladies...take a class that I really enjoy...do volunteer work to give back what I can to society. I can't wait...this simple life has been what I've been working for all these years. I have no high expectations...just quiet, peaceful, reflection time and doing what makes me happy. I hope it comes true.
Unretire
Nervous Hospital
Fri Apr 17, 2009 7:40 AM
I reckon I see myself in that article. I retired from the nervous hospital after many, many years and found myself in a world where french fried taters (the bigguns) were new to me. Umm Humm. But I'm lucky; I retained my lawnmower fixin skills and used em in my new life. From time to time I made sure I remembered to sharpen those blades. And I took my books with me. I didn't understand all of em but I reckon I understood a good deal of em. Umm Humm. I knew how to deal with the Doyle's of the new world. I also remembered that coffee made me nervous when I drink it. I discovered that little things matter; like helpin a young boy carry his warsh home. I reckon I went back to where I growd up as a boy and revisited the hole I dug fer myself in my shed out back of the house. Umm Humm. Bein in the nervous hospital I talked kinda funny but that boy-I loved that boy-liked the way I talked. Umm Humm. In the end I had to go back to the nervous hopital I miss my taters. Umm Humm.
Re: Unretire
Movie Mogul
Fri Apr 17, 2009 8:17 AM
Retirement
Bureau of Mongo
Fri Apr 17, 2009 8:35 AM
Do What?? Anyone who doesn't plan ahead for retirement the same way they should be planning for other things in their future is a sammich shy of a picnic. I started planning for my military retirement 3 years out; where to settle, new career to start, educational needs of the kids and so on. I've already begun planning for the next one in 4 years. Expenses to cut on a fixed income, daily chores for upkeep and maintenance of the home, vacation itinerary, exercise routine and even a part time job for fish bait and beer money. I think I'll take to retirement like a duck to water.
Re: Retirement
None
Fri Apr 17, 2009 9:08 AM
Re: Retirement
DOD
Fri Apr 17, 2009 9:34 AM
Re: Retirement
DOD
Tue Apr 21, 2009 11:24 AM
Nervous Hospital.
Retirement Paradox
IRS
Fri Apr 17, 2009 8:47 AM
I too retired last year after 35 years working in a professional civil service job. There were co-workers who were like family because we had spent our working hours together and shared our life's experiences over so many years. However, I have never felt the "phases" mentioned in this article. I loved my job but I was ready to let go. Because my co-workers & I had worked together so long, many of them are also retiring. We get together for lunch every few months to catch up. The office is now changing in that there are "new" people who I do not even know. I went back for the annual Christmas lunch and except for other retirees, there were few people that I worked with. My only real problem with retirement is that after over a year I haven't dented my "to do" list. I find that it is too easy to procrastinate when you know that there is always another day off the next day. I love retirement and have never regretted that I retired at the first opportunity.
Re: Retirement Paradox
USAF
Fri Apr 17, 2009 9:19 AM
Great Article
Federal Agency
Fri Apr 17, 2009 8:53 AM
As I count down the days to my upcoming retirement, this article will and the authors experience will remain in my mind. While I have been "planning" for my retirement, I know now that for a short period of time there will be transition. Someone asked me the other day what I am going to do when I retire and the first thing that comes to mind is taking a breather and try to release the years of information in my brain that has built up. Once that is done, I have a solid plan on what my next chapter will be and I plan to get to it slowly.
Thanks for sharing this article!
retirement
USPS
Fri Apr 17, 2009 9:05 AM
I retired after nearly 25 years with Postal Service. I carried the mail, and I really and truly liked to work hard. My decision was based on the need to help with my grandchildren. It was not an easy adjustment. It does take time to get used to virtually no routine at all, unless you devise one. Also, in my position as a letter carrier, one might as well forget about finding a part-time job easily. I basically acquired zero skills for all those years. Prior to that I was a private secretary. But that was before computers. I knew how to type fast and use shorthand. Now, my only skill was that of basically a newspaper delivery person. I had a safe driving record. Period. At my age, I can either re-train for a new career or settle for something less fulfilling for a check to help with medical insurance. People need to think hard and heavy about their insurance needs. It cuts a big hole in your monthly check.
Retirement
Veterans Affairs
Fri Apr 17, 2009 9:09 AM
I will be retiring in less than 3 three years and I have been planning for it since 2 years ago. I called it my "Five Year Plan" and made plans to cut expenses, pay off debt, relocate to a lower cost of living area and focus on a part-time small business that I could run myself. I have pretty much completed my FYP except for the relocation. Everything else is set. I will be retiring on a Friday and I will be working the next day doing what I want to do and enjoying my retirement. Retirement planning means so much more than what your pension will be every month. I can't wait to start my "retirement phase".
Retirement
GSA
Fri Apr 17, 2009 9:15 AM
I wonder what kind of personal life Ms. Vierneisel had prior to retirement that upon retirement she felt such loss and disconnect. My personal life is so rich and full with family, service to my church and other engagements, having to work gets in the way. My real life begins at 4:00 p.m.
Re: Retirement
OPM
Fri Apr 17, 2009 10:55 AM
Re: Retirement
worker
Fri Apr 17, 2009 2:20 PM
Re: Retirement
VHA
Mon Apr 20, 2009 9:58 AM
TYPE R
DOE, Albuquerque
Fri Apr 17, 2009 9:15 AM
I'm not a a or b personality. I;m a R. R for retirement. I took many pre retirment surveys and they all said i was invented for retirement. I;m happy just thinking about nothing. really i have many interestests. mainly what is life all about. That;s why i took an early reirement at 53
retirement paradox
federal aviation administration
Fri Apr 17, 2009 9:26 AM
An excellent, thought provoking article. This also applies to people on long term leave, sick or whatever. I see this happening with my husband, who is not sure if he'll be able to return to work, and has been home almost a year. He's been going through a lot of the same emotions, now I understand why! I've printed the article for him.
The Emotional Transition of Retirement
NIH
Fri Apr 17, 2009 10:03 AM
This article is exactly what I went through for all the same reasons. I've never regretted retiring and absolutely love it. You can plan everything, which I did, but you can't plan emotions.
RETIREMENT
SSA
Fri Apr 17, 2009 10:03 AM
All I can say is retirement rocks!
The Retirement Paradox
USAF
Fri Apr 17, 2009 10:04 AM
Great article and I printed it so I can obtain the book.
Many thanks for sharing with us:)
Retirement
Retired DoD, FAA, US Customs
Fri Apr 17, 2009 10:18 AM
You can find so many ways to fill the day. Good luck to everyone. Retirment is so valuable...think how lucky you are to control your own day.
Just let it go
AF/FERS Retired
Fri Apr 17, 2009 10:36 AM
Like many of the people making comments here, I have no regrets nor any feelings of loss about leaving work in 05. Same as when I retired from the military in 1987. I didn't look back and haven't missed either life. And like some said, the old office is no more. It has been reorganized twice in 3 years and more than half the people have moved on or retired. After working continuously for 45 years I walked away and missed it not one whit. Me thinks the lady doth feel herself irreplaceable and that she left work undone. She should accept that perhaps that someone very ably stepped in and life at the office goes on. It is not hard. Just let go and become involved in other things that don't compensate her with money.
Retirement
Federal Aviation Administration (FAA)
Fri Apr 17, 2009 10:43 AM
I hope she has found and joined the National Active and Retired Federal Employee Association (NARFE). Check out their web site: www.narfe.org
Change
USPS
Fri Apr 17, 2009 11:13 AM
Our reaction to retirement varies by our personality, how much we liked our job, coworkers, etc. For the first few months, I was hyper productive doing all the projects that I had been unable to complete while working. Then I slowed down into permanent procrastination because it was too easy to realize that I had no deadlines. Later, I started to feel disconnected from the "real world." Once, I had been important; people came to me with their problems. Suddenly I was just an old retired nobody. I missed the intellectual stimulation. It was necessary to search for new things to fill my needs. Some volunteer jobs, new hobbies, and auditing college classes fit me perfectly. The point is, we will each have different reactions to retirement which are not predictable. Be prepared to recognize your own needs and find new things to fill them. Most importantly, appreciate that you have the time discover what works for you.
Retirement
DOD
Fri Apr 17, 2009 11:43 AM
What employees need to recognize is that retirement is easy if you have taken the time to analyze how it will change not only your long range life but more immediately your day to day activities. And, if you are in a position of authority, you must also be willing to give the “trappings” of your position. Like with anything else, if you want to be successful you must have a plan. Obviously this person was not ready to give up her “position.” For me working for Uncle Sam for 35 plus years was great and giving up the “sir” or “Mr.” every time an employee spoke to me or giving up the nice office with the big wooden desk was easy because my decision to retire was one I took my time in making and I got all the necessary input, including the most important – that of my wife who had already retired. Hopefully her story will encourage people to think before they retire as opposed to making them think retirement into a disappointing nightmare.
An Alternate View: Self-Idenity And Retirement
DoC
Fri Apr 17, 2009 1:44 PM
I've been retired now for over 6 years after a 40 year Federal career. Before retirement, I was worried that I too would go through the kind of painful adjustment expressed by the writer. I'm still waiting for the painful adjustment - it just won't come. Upon reflection, I think I know why.
For one who's self-identity is primarily "who I am at work", the adjustment will be very painful - because suddenly, your "nobody".
For one who continuously maintains a balanced life with family, friends, and multiple interests outside of work, there is simply nothing to adjust to - life simply continues its normal course.
The job is only a job - it's a big mistake to allow it to substitute even a little bit for family, friends, hobbies, and other career independent activities.
The other factor is simply age - we tend to forget that by the time we retire, we're a lot older and things don't look the same anymore. The focus turns to health matters and a natural slower pace.
That's life!
retirement
worker
Fri Apr 17, 2009 2:25 PM
Program analyst hit the nail on the head. I was so caught up in working towards my goal of retiring at a 13 level that i forgot about my family and when i got reinvented and pushed aside, i quit and found out that I had tied myself to close to my job. the feeling of losing everything you had worked hard for is real tough to shake. It took me almost 5 years and I had to return to the FED for health insurance for my disabled wife. take my advise.... WORK TO LIVE, DON'T LIVE TO WORK!!!.
workaholic
Homeland Security
Fri Apr 17, 2009 2:33 PM
Good description of how a workaholic admitted her addictions and re-adjusted . . . . wonder how many, percentage-wise, federal employees are workaholics? If our small office is representative of federal employees, I'd say one in 40 is a workaholic who will have problems adjusting to retirement. The rest of us? Yehaw!! Time to flex our wings and live our lives full-time instead of squeezing it in during weekends!
Retirement transition
Retired
Fri Apr 17, 2009 3:48 PM
Your article really struck a cord with me. I retired in 2006 and still miss my work. However, as time goes on, I miss it less and my life has been filled with other things. I still keep up with the latest developments and work part time as a consultant so I have the best of both worlds. Like you, I have never been busier with my grandchildred, parents, traveling, etc. One think I don't miss is getting up early and having to be somewhere at a certain time. That was one of the first things I let go. Retired Fed
Retired
DOD
Fri Apr 17, 2009 4:50 PM
I retired, Type B, and I'm enjoying it. I don't miss those Type As one bit. They should realize we had to work for them.
Retirement
Forest Service
Fri Apr 17, 2009 7:05 PM
Wow, this is amazing to read! When I retired about two years ago after 36 years of work, it took me about 24 hours to get used to it. It's like a weekend that just never ends! I still converse with the folks from work that I want to talk to--usually thru emails/facebook. And, it is true that I am busier now than I was before I retired. It must be a whole different world at work when you're a manager (as opposed to us GS-11's and below) for a person to have to go through as much adjustment as this author did. I'm sorry it was that way for her. Myself, I had no adjustment period--I merely didn't go back to work and everything just fell into place. My wife and I couldn't be happier!
retirement
DOD
Fri Apr 17, 2009 8:22 PM
I have never, for one day, missed my job after I retired. For the first three years I would often chuckle to myself while I drank a cup of coffee in the morning so pleased that I didn't have to fight the traffic to work. What I most remember is the cronyism that flourished because making a profit is not a consideration in the blue collar field that I worked. There are many skilled, motivated workers but also many incompetent slackers that do too well. I am gratefull for the generous pension and health benefits but don't miss my old job.
Getting near but not there yet
DOD
Sat Apr 18, 2009 7:29 AM
Can one change from A to B? When I was younger I worked every waking hour. I truly enjoyed it. However, there came a time where, in order to increase in salary, I had to take on more and more leadership roles. My satisfaction with my work decreased in proportion to the decrease in the hands-on work. I took up a hobby; started decreasing the hours to 40-50 hours/week depending on the load. Now I am 100% non-hands-on and find myself pursuing my real love (applied math) outside of work, learning new applications outside my original career field. I cannot wait to retire to this new world. One might say that the office created my soon to be after-life.
Retirement
USDVA
Sat Apr 18, 2009 7:58 PM
I appreciated Karen Vierneisel's article, as I too am just starting out on the retirement path. When I announced my change, I rejected the term retirement which sounds so final) and replaced it with readjusting, regrouping, reprioritizing, refocusing....lots of 're's'. And I am finding all of those to be accurate depictions of my process. I am enjoying the freedom of making my own priorities, setting my own agendas, sleeping late, staying up late. I expect to re-engage with work sometime soon; but I know it will be on my own terms.
Retirement
USDA
Mon Apr 20, 2009 8:41 AM
I did retirement counseling for some years and and still called upon by employees to answer questions. I'm also less then a year from my own retirement. I would say all the friends and relativies (with 1 exception) I know who've retired are happy with their choice (even the ones that have to work to subsidize their income). That one exception was a 50 year old, unhappy with her federal job, who jumped on an Early Out. Her retirement income was too low and she had to get another full time job. She didn't miss her job at all, just the income. What I observed when counseling employees was those with a definite plan or, business, or focus were much better mentally prepared for retirement then the author. Many had started a part-time business (rental property, jewelry creation, Mardi Gras ball gowns, etc.) I had a couple who went into teaching via Teach America. Others became full time volunteers at their churches or other ministries. Many have been retired 10 yrs or more.
Retirement
DOD
Mon Apr 20, 2009 8:46 AM
I have been reading the different perspectives and have enjoyed them all! :)
For myself, I retired in 2005 and took the VERA/VSIP. However, I more or less had to retire due to spinal disorders, ongoing surgeries, etc. It wasn't an easy decision as I was only 48 at the time. And I took many weeks mulling over the decision. And, as you all well know, took a cut in my pension. However, my husband still works, also for DOD, and has made it possible for me to live a comfortable life. Anyway, yep, and regardless of my medical issues retirement rocks...as another posted stated.
I have my bad days and I have my good days. On the good days I am able to meet up with fellow co-workers for lunch and things of that nature. I can't really travel but I don't want to considering that's all I did during BRAC.
In any case, I am rambling. As the saying goes, "Jump, in the water is fine!" I haven't looked back nor do I have any regrets whatsoever and no adjustment phase(s) either!
Not Suited for Retirement
VHA
Mon Apr 20, 2009 9:53 AM
She says it quite well when she mentions the Type A personality that got her to the "top" is not suited for retirement. You see the same thing in senior retired military officers - 0-6's and Generals. They go from being top dog one minute to retired Joe the next. Can't handle it well. They've adapted well to their job/niche, but can't live in the real world....a bit pathetic really.
Retirement is not the time to figure out what your life really means and what's important to you. That's what your whole life is for.
Are You a Legend In Your Own Mind ??
DOD
Mon Apr 20, 2009 10:16 AM
For those that feel the entire agency will collapse when you leave, trust me, there are many warm bodies waiting in line for you to go. You are replacable.
If you find yourself thinking this way, you should have retired a long time ago--so get your papers in order and do something for yourself. But as the others noted, make sure you have something to go TO, not just retire FROM your job.
SOON TO RETIRE, Understanding Tranisition
IRS
Mon Apr 20, 2009 10:52 AM
I am about ready to retire and enjoyed this artical. It will certainly help me to understand the tranisitions and maybe get over the rough spots a little easier. I will be ordering the book recommended to gain more understanding.
Thanks for sharing.
emotions after retirement
United States Postal Service
Mon Apr 20, 2009 2:28 PM
Thank you Ms. Vierneisel for taking the time to share your feelings with us retirees. Soon after I retired I attended a National Association of Supervisors meeting. There I met other recently retired managers from the Postal Service. At the time I was experiencing a feeling of loss and anxiety from leaving my job. I was asked how I felt being retired and although I said great, I had an empty feeling inside like is this it?
When I asked how they were enjoying retirement they responded that they were enjoying it immensely. This left me confused. I started to think I left too early. However, I had 33 years with the service and could afford to leave but I still felt like there was a void in my life.
Phase 2, I needed to feel productive again! I found a part time job 3 times a week. Since the weather broke I'm playing golf twice a week and my wife and I are going to Aruba next November.
I think I've made it to phase 3.
Retiring Soon
Naval Hospital
Mon Apr 20, 2009 5:42 PM
I'll be retiring in 6 years with 40 years in civil service. In fact I will be the last of a group of 8 who started almost at the same time in my IT department. I can't wait!
I'm very much looking forward to retiring as I have a lot of projects to look forward to such as volunteering for the SPCA, enjoying the company of my Red Hat group (comprised of current and retired co-workers) and spending more time working on creating gourd art work.
It's like everyone has been saying your job shouldn't define who you are but I will have to say I've met a lot of wonderful people during the journey some of whom will always remain part of my family.
Self-Identity after Retirement
HHS/OIG/OI
Mon Apr 20, 2009 10:53 PM
I can relate to her comments after having been a federal law enforcement officer for 32 years. It took a while to become adjusted to the real natural life rather than investigating crooks and trying to prosecute defendants. Life is so much simpler now and not as complicated as trying to put exhibits together to prove a defendant guilty. Sure I miss the rewards of a job well done but now I can maneuver in a world of social rewards based on fun activities like skiing, softball, and biking.
Karen's Retirement
DOD
Tue Apr 21, 2009 5:45 PM
I noticed that neither Karen Vierneisel nor any of the people who commented on her article say why they retired. That’s important because I believe one’s motivations have a huge impact on their post-retirement quality of life. What struck me with Karen’s career was its remarkable stability, i.e., same location, coworkers, etc., versus the turmoil and instability present in many agencies, especially post 9/11. It really gets old hearing people say one should embrace change because not all change is beneficial. To me it comes down to self-preservation. The 20 to 45 year olds have the mental and physical stamina to withstand long hours, deal with sudden changes in work location, and numerous other demands. During my career, I knew of few 50+ who could realistically work 14 hour days and also cope with constant reorganizations and rules changing in the middle of the game. We did our duty, but wisely left while we were young enough to enjoy our well-earned retirement. At least I did, and will proffer no apologies for what I do or do not do in my new life. Neither should Karen.
Retirement
HUD
Thu Apr 23, 2009 10:03 AM
I am glad that Ms. Vierniesel had a wonderful working relationship in her job and actually missed work when she retired; however, there are some of us who are not that fortunate. I had an extremely good working relationship with three excellent managers who knew their jobs well. Our office worked as a team and we produced excellent work for over 10 years. Suddenly, our managers were forced out by higher management. New management arrived and quickly "thinned" out the office of just about everyone who had worked for those managers. I'm not able to retire but I am looking forward to leaving this stressful environment. Everyone that has left this office comments about how less stressful their life is in retirement and how great they feel. I have hobbies that I am looking forward to spending more time with and getting out of this "rat race." Can't wait!
Retirement
DOD
Mon Apr 27, 2009 12:39 PM
The 3rd of June I will have been retired for 6 years after a total of 34 years service (4 military-30 CS). I did not miss work the day after I turned in my badge and have not missed it. It was time to do something else. My wife retired from her position (College Dean) 2 years after I did. I retired as I did not want to learn a new computer system and a new way to write investigative reports and a different way to conduct investigations. This "old dog" did not want to learn new tricks. DOD decided to get out of the personnel security business and transferred the function to OPM. Since retirement, we have traveled: Alaska twice, England, Ireland, Scotland, Wales, Mexico, the American Southwest and numerous islands. Even though I have been asked to return to work, I have declined. We planned for retirement (saved-invested) and, as someone else said, are busier now than when we worked. BUT it is with what we want to do.
Retirement
DOD
Mon Apr 27, 2009 1:33 PM
The 3rd of June I will have been retired for 6 years after a total of 34 years service (4 military-30 CS). I did not miss work the day after I turned in my badge and have not missed it. It was time to do something else. My wife retired from her position (College Dean) 2 years after I did. I retired as I did not want to learn a new computer system and a new way to write investigative reports and a different way to conduct investigations. This "old dog" did not want to learn new tricks. DOD decided to get out of the personnel security business and transferred the function to OPM. Since retirement, we have traveled: Alaska twice, England, Ireland, Scotland, Wales, Mexico, the American Southwest and numerous islands. Even though I have been asked to return to work, I have declined. We planned for retirement (saved-invested) and, as someone else said, are busier now than when we worked. BUT it is with what we want to do.
Retirement
USPS
Mon May 11, 2009 9:44 AM
Im retired so no need to find work as I worked for 42 years carring mail plus odd jobs before that. We have my postal pention at 80% and a wepped out social security. We have found a great pass time in games at www.pogo.com. Im a euchre player and have made a number of friends from around the world. We have a great time like the work room florr at the post office. Aside from that we make a couple trips a month to the casino. I love retirement just the way it is. Im not hard to please.
Thank you
DHS
Thu Jun 18, 2009 1:30 PM
Thank you for clearing up what has been bothering me about my upcoming retirement. I'm getting ready to retire in about a year and have been wondering what it will be like. Something kept telling me it won't be what I think but I didn't know why. I'm excited, for sure, but skeptical. Now that I know why, I can prepare better for the 3 phases you mention. Thanks again for the insight!
Retirement
Dept. of State
Tue Jul 14, 2009 8:00 AM
Great article. However, the key to Karen's difficult transition is that she is/was a self-admitted A-type personality. I can tell you that those of us who are not A-types generally have a much easier transition and indeed relish the freedom and options available in retirement.
Retirement
Civilian, Air Force
Fri Sep 11, 2009 11:59 AM
Do you live to work...or do you work to live? I believe that's the key in whether one will 'take' to retirement easily...or not. I'm planning to retire in the next few months with 35 years service; I'll be 55 years old. My daughter is in high school and I've always wanted to be a stay at home Mom.. cook a good breakfast, be there with dinner waiting for her and my husband, work in the yard, walk with the neighbor ladies...take a class that I really enjoy...do volunteer work to give back what I can to society. I can't wait...this simple life has been what I've been working for all these years. I have no high expectations...just quiet, peaceful, reflection time and doing what makes me happy. I hope it comes true.